Start "red flag" laws that allow confiscation of guns from gang members & white-supremacists? (Poll) Any other suggestions for reducing lawlessness?

[Flash]

The fourteenth amendment states that liberties cannot be deprived without due process of law. We cannot deprive people of their rights for possible crimes we think they might engage in later.

How about the laws that deprive Americans of their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms because somebody thinks they might commit a gun crime in the future?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You didn't address that Rudy used "stop and frisk" successfully in NYC. It worked. Why not keep it working?

Whether it “worked” or not does not change the fact that it was blatantly unconstitutional, that it violated the rights affirmed in the Fourth Amendment.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

Rush Limbaugh was right about one thing.

The constitution is not a death pack.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

How about the laws that deprive Americans of their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms because somebody thinks they might commit a gun crime in the future?

You have to have due process.

But if you are threatening people with gun violence then you are using terrorism.

Unless you are defending your life or liberty.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

3. Online monitors for hate speech or manifestos from any hate groups, then the "red flag" law requires them to surrender their guns or go to jail.
4. Bring back stop and frisk laws in big cities. Illegal guns result in fines or prison depending upon their rap sheet.

The Constitution is the highest law in this nation, and that includes the First and Fourth Amendments.

Under the guise of “reducing lawlessness”, you are proposing that government engage in lawlessness, in violating the Constitution. Do you seriously not see how this is just plain wrong?

 

[Blues Man]

Another young shooter kills 10 in Buffalo, the talking heads say we need gun control. Its not the guns fault.
Cities and NY state already have serious gun control. Gun control doesn't work, never does.
People have a lot of guns already, and will never give them up.
The 2nd Amendment says we "non-criminals" can keep our guns, period.

So here's a thought. Serious prison time for anyone who uses a gun for any crime.
1. Including any criminal gang activity
2. Including hate crimes, or road rage.
3. Online monitors for hate speech or manifestos from any hate groups, then the "red flag" law requires them to surrender their guns or go to jail.
4. Bring back stop and frisk laws in big cities. Illegal guns result in fines or prison depending upon their rap sheet.

So lets have a poll to see if any new actions should be taken that would pass the House and Senate...

red flag laws deny due process.

All we need to do is actually enforce the laws we have on the books and we would see a drastic drop in crime across the board

 

[HandleTheTruth]

The Constitution is the highest law in this nation, and that includes the First and Fourth Amendments.

Under the guise of “reducing lawlessness”, you are proposing that government engage in lawlessness, in violating the Constitution. Do you seriously not see how this is just plain wrong?

The constitution is not a death pack.

Rush Limbaugh.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

If you can't protect life and liberty what use is the constitution.

If you have document that says you support life and liberty with any way to protect such life and liberty is just a piece of paper with words on it without much meaning.

As a government you have to balance freedom and protection.

When one is out of balance you must for a while take control of the situation.

You have no rights under the law to use terrorism as a way to effect change.

If the constitution can not protect life a liberty then it needs to be changed to uphold it's basic and most important function is protect for which it proclaims.

 

[Flash]

You have to have due process.

But if you are threatening people with gun violence then you are using terrorism.

Unless you are defending your life or liberty.

What due process?

A guy in New York went to see his doctor for insomnia. The doctor reported him to the authorities under the SAFE Act. The jackbooted thugs came to his house and confiscated his firearms. The SAFE Act was suppose to be "reasonable gun control".

In New Jersey a woman was traveling from Texas to Maine with a young child. She had a pistol in her car for protection. She was arrested for having an illegal firearm.

There was no due process in either case.

There are many more examples like this.

Gun control laws are absolute infringements on our Constitutional rights.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I would think that the courts would need to make the call to grab guns or not based on the evidence presented by the "monitors". The "monitors" would be tasked with prioritizing monitoring "groups" like gangs and white-supremacists to target the most violent.

Thinking the government wouldn’t do something is foolishness.

 

[struth]

Another young shooter kills 10 in Buffalo, the talking heads say we need gun control. Its not the guns fault.
Cities and NY state already have serious gun control. Gun control doesn't work, never does.
People have a lot of guns already, and will never give them up.
The 2nd Amendment says we "non-criminals" can keep our guns, period.

So here's a thought. Serious prison time for anyone who uses a gun for any crime.
1. Including any criminal gang activity
2. Including hate crimes, or road rage.
3. Online monitors for hate speech or manifestos from any hate groups, then the "red flag" law requires them to surrender their guns or go to jail.
4. Bring back stop and frisk laws in big cities. Illegal guns result in fines or prison depending upon their rap sheet.

So lets have a poll to see if any new actions should be taken that would pass the House and Senate...

If you are a convicted felon you already lose your right to purchase, or possess a firearm.

So....not sure what the point is....

 

[Bob Blaylock]

As a government you have

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” — Benjamin Franklin​

What Franklin's quote misses is that the “safety” bought by sacrificing liberty is almost always illusory. We may feel safer, but in fact, we are not.

 

[easyt65]

Another young shooter kills 10 in Buffalo, the talking heads say we need gun control. Its not the guns fault.
Cities and NY state already have serious gun control. Gun control doesn't work, never does.
People have a lot of guns already, and will never give them up.
The 2nd Amendment says we "non-criminals" can keep our guns, period.

So here's a thought. Serious prison time for anyone who uses a gun for any crime.
1. Including any criminal gang activity
2. Including hate crimes, or road rage.
3. Online monitors for hate speech or manifestos from any hate groups, then the "red flag" law requires them to surrender their guns or go to jail.
4. Bring back stop and frisk laws in big cities. Illegal guns result in fines or prison depending upon their rap sheet.

So lets have a poll to see if any new actions should be taken that would pass the House and Senate...

#3 is Orwellian, and WHO gets to decide whose guns are taken based on a social media post or tweet? This is an open door for liberal gun confiscation.

How about we FUND the police?

How about we get rid of DAs funded by George Soros, the ones who let criminals out with little to no bail?

[WATCH] Same Old, Same Old: Career Criminal, Low Bail, and Another Mass Shooting in Chicago

High-ranking gang thug Sergio Barron served eight years in prison (according to Fox 32 Chicago. The Post Millenial claims he served three years, and the Chicago Tribune claims he hasn’t even bee...

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Perfect example of letting a rabid dog loose in a crowd.

Chicago IS a mass shooting event.

Perhaps making it illegal for stupid liberal Democrats / extremists from running cities would help.

As if Lightfoot did not have enough murder in Chicago, she asked women to come there to kill their babies.

Good grief.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” — Benjamin Franklin​

What Franklin's quote misses is that the “safety” bought by sacrificing liberty is almost always illusory. We may feel safer, but in fact, we are not.

So Ben Franklin is saying we shouldn't have any laws protecting rights that are guaranteed by government and we shoudnt have either.

I think that is the stupidest thing I ever heard.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So Ben Franklin is saying we shouldn't have any laws protecting rights that are guaranteed by government and we shoudnt have either.

I think that is the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Not even a tiny fraction of the stupidity of your absurd attempt to twist Franklin's words into something completely unlike what he actually wrote or meant.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

Not even a tiny fraction of the stupidity of your absurd attempt to twist Franklin's words into something completely unlike what he actually wrote or meant.

I didn't twist shit. That's what the man quote says.


There is a trade off in security and liberty that today's society needs to come to terms with very quick.

 

[kyzr]

Rush Limbaugh was right about one thing.
The constitution is not a death pack.

"death pact"

 

[kyzr]

If you are a convicted felon you already lose your right to purchase, or possess a firearm.

So....not sure what the point is....

...surveillance...you can buy a gun illegally...

 

[struth]

...surveillance...you can buy a gun illegally...

oh the defund the police crowed now want police to follow known felons around spying on them

 

[22lcidw]

Are you out of your fucking mind?

You want the government to "monitor online activity" and just at their own accord just decide who is fit to own a gun and who isn't?

Hate speech, red flags, groups, any of it can be anything they want it to be. They can target anyone they want and say whatever they want.

We need less government power and control.

The DOJ boss supposedly has a list of potential terrorists by Prog agendas. He already has termed parents complaining about their daughter's being raped as terrorists using the Patriot Act which was never to be used like this we were guaranteed.