CDZ : Let's debate, why did the democrats veto "Red Flag" laws for actual gun criminals, gang members?

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    We know why, democrats need people of color to murder people they hate
     
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    It will not stop the straw purches buying or selling or the outright sale of a firearm to a gang member at all...

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    That is not the point of this thread and the point is why would your political party object to the usage of the list if it stop just one gun sale and save one life?

    Your political party is all for government lists like the No-Fly list, so why not the gang bangers list?

    Simple, it focuses on minorities directly and not white society and the Democrats are not going to support that at all.

    Had the list focused on the average white man then Democrats would have passed the bill quickly and with smiles in their faces...
     
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    Gun dealers are not selling to gang bangers, they are selling to the baby mommas, sisters, grandmothers and other relatives of the gang members who can pass any background check.

    That means, your magical background checks will still fail. Which you know, because it isn't about stopping gang members from getting guns...as we have seen in democrat controlled cities since they keep letting actual criminals they captured with guns out on bond and out of prison with short sentences......it is all about getting gun registration. That is the only reason you want universal background checks.

    Nothing you stated is even remotely accurate or based in the real world.
     
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    First and foremost, you start with a false presupposition:

    Democrats and the left in general are very specific as to what they want. They say things like: they claim to want "common sense gun laws", keep guns out of the wrong hands, keep criminals from getting guns, and other such carefully crafted terminology.

    In short, their objective is never about saving lives. It is about gun control. I have written and submitted legislation to both state and federal legislators that would reduce mass shootings by 90 percent without any new taxes, no new bureaucracies and NO gun control. Democrats are not interested in even discussing the proposition because it does not contain gun control language. If I could reduce mass shootings by that much, it would have an definite impact on gang violence, domestic shootings, etc.

    The Democrats desperately need a criminal underclass in order to remain relevant in our society. They may fear that Red Flag gun laws would be over-turned in the current courts. In any event, I don't think they would level with you about their current strategy.
     
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    "Red Flag " laws have two objectives:
    - Disarm the law abiding
    - Limit free speech by gun owners.
    Any actual protection afforded to potential victims is an afterthought.
     
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    It's cute how you think gang members will be affected in any way by universal background checks.
     
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    Ninety Percent of Guns Used in Crime Not Obtained From Gun Stores/Shows

    The Department of Justice just updated its decades-old study asking criminals where they got the guns they used in committing the crime for which they were currently incarcerated. After asking 287,000 prisoners in 2016 where they got the gun they used, 90 percent of them “did not obtain it from a retail source” and less than one percent obtained it from a gun show.

    Half of them obtained their firearm from the “underground” market, while just six percent said they stole it. The survey reported that “most of the remainder had obtained it from a family member or a friend, or as a gift. Seven percent had purchased it under their own name from a licensed firearm dealer.”​
     
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    I’m an independent and regularly split my ticket locally and statewide
     
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    It’s cute you thought I was talking about gang members
     
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    The person to whom you responded directly mentioned gang members.
    Did you reply to him out of context?
    Who is the "them" in your response that I quoted, if not gang members"?
     

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