Standing up to the left's denial if reality re: transgender

You cannot imagine the hell that would break loose if I found out they were forcing my granddaughters to share a bathroom with boys. And libs/progressives don't get why many more parents are choosing to home-school their children.
You do have a point about who sees what, though. If parents are discrete enough to coach their gender-confused children to maintain a low profile, and don't make some big deal about what they are doing with/for their children at the administrative level, who would know differently. But no, they have to force their children to "come out" at an age when this type of information should be totally irrelevant in their lives. They have to insist on some special dispensation to accommodate one, regardless of the harm it does the many. As much as the radical community hates the concept, "Don't ask, don't tell" helps to protect those who consider themselves "different".

You seem to have confused the issue of homosexual adults, and transgender children.

This is not about sexual preference.

Well, yes, actually it is. I suspect it has much more to do with parental preference and agenda than it has to do with the children. And as I observed, it the parents are capable of training the child to be discrete, how would anyone else know? I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of your "gender-confused" kids out there who haven't been "outted" by their parents.

I bet there are plenty of little girls who the school has no idea were born male, or little boys that were born female. However for some it's not as simple as switching school districts and enrolling your child as the opposite gender.

It's pretty hard to hide when your 3rd grader who was called Timmy last year shows up for 4th grade with a new name ,in a dress.
 
You seem to have confused the issue of homosexual adults, and transgender children.

This is not about sexual preference.

Well, yes, actually it is. I suspect it has much more to do with parental preference and agenda than it has to do with the children. And as I observed, it the parents are capable of training the child to be discrete, how would anyone else know? I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of your "gender-confused" kids out there who haven't been "outted" by their parents.

I bet there are plenty of little girls who the school has no idea were born male, or little boys that were born female. However for some it's not as simple as switching school districts and enrolling your child as the opposite gender.

It's pretty hard to hide when your 3rd grader who was called Timmy last year shows up for 4th grade with a new name ,in a dress.

That's true. If the parents are truly concerned about their child's well-being, I would hope they might make better arrangements than pointing out to the entire world that their child is an abberation.
 
You seem to have confused the issue of homosexual adults, and transgender children.

This is not about sexual preference.

Well, yes, actually it is. I suspect it has much more to do with parental preference and agenda than it has to do with the children. And as I observed, it the parents are capable of training the child to be discrete, how would anyone else know? I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of your "gender-confused" kids out there who haven't been "outted" by their parents.

I bet there are plenty of little girls who the school has no idea were born male, or little boys that were born female. However for some it's not as simple as switching school districts and enrolling your child as the opposite gender.

It's pretty hard to hide when your 3rd grader who was called Timmy last year shows up for 4th grade with a new name ,in a dress.

A boy born female and a girl born male?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
 
Well, yes, actually it is. I suspect it has much more to do with parental preference and agenda than it has to do with the children. And as I observed, it the parents are capable of training the child to be discrete, how would anyone else know? I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of your "gender-confused" kids out there who haven't been "outted" by their parents.

I bet there are plenty of little girls who the school has no idea were born male, or little boys that were born female. However for some it's not as simple as switching school districts and enrolling your child as the opposite gender.

It's pretty hard to hide when your 3rd grader who was called Timmy last year shows up for 4th grade with a new name ,in a dress.

That's true. If the parents are truly concerned about their child's well-being, I would hope they might make better arrangements than pointing out to the entire world that their child is an abberation.

And what would you suggest?
 
Well, yes, actually it is. I suspect it has much more to do with parental preference and agenda than it has to do with the children. And as I observed, it the parents are capable of training the child to be discrete, how would anyone else know? I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of your "gender-confused" kids out there who haven't been "outted" by their parents.

I bet there are plenty of little girls who the school has no idea were born male, or little boys that were born female. However for some it's not as simple as switching school districts and enrolling your child as the opposite gender.

It's pretty hard to hide when your 3rd grader who was called Timmy last year shows up for 4th grade with a new name ,in a dress.

A boy born female and a girl born male?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I'm just glad you were able to read it, but I hear sounding out the words really helps.
 
I bet there are plenty of little girls who the school has no idea were born male, or little boys that were born female. However for some it's not as simple as switching school districts and enrolling your child as the opposite gender.

It's pretty hard to hide when your 3rd grader who was called Timmy last year shows up for 4th grade with a new name ,in a dress.

A boy born female and a girl born male?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I'm just glad you were able to read it, but I hear sounding out the words really helps.

Can an African american be born caucasian?
 
A boy born female and a girl born male?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I'm just glad you were able to read it, but I hear sounding out the words really helps.

Can an African american be born caucasian?

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Cripes. It's not a club, it's not contagious and there is no recruitment.

Doesn't matter. And, define "recruitment". Damn sure is recruitment. Simply by extension of making it okay, is recruitment enough. So, there's every bit as much recruitment as there is between normal boys and girls. Little boy decides he likes girl. Little boy pursues little girl. Little boy assures little girl that it's okay for little girls to date little boys. But, in this instance, little girl with penis decides it likes little boys. Little girl with penis pursues other little boys. Little girl with penis assures little boys that it's okay for little boys to date little girls with penises. Little boys have doubts. Little girl with penis gets frustrated and makes little boys feel guilty because they like little girls with vaginas. Little boys start feeling guilty and decide maybe it's better to date little girls with penises so they don't have to feel guilty about dating little girls with vaginas. Soon, untold numbers of little boys are dating little girls with penises. Little boys grow up to be men who think it's okay for men to date women with penises, man marries woman with penis and, thus, was recruited. Get it? It's called seduction and you can bet your ass the LGBT community engages in it every bit as much so as heterosexuals engage in it. I mean...what? How many people do you think it is that homosexuals are dating were homosexuals before they started as a couple? Likely, very few. They had to convince the interest of their desire, who likely had previously preferred females, or vice versa, that being with a male, or female, is the better choice. Call it what you want but, that's recruitment.

In fact some gays consider you a dumb hreeder no better than cattle. How well does THAT make you want to convert?

Yeah, but most gays I don't take seriously enough to give a shit what they consider. And, how well it makes me want to convert is irrelevant. The fact is, as I describe above, they've likely got to get someone to convert or, they just plain and simply wouldn't have a partner. How many homosexuals meet and date someone who is already a homosexual to begin with, without having to first convert them to a homosexual?

Where's the story? Have you always been so butt ugly that no gay has tried to recruit you?

Actually, myself and my brother had some limp wrist trying to hustle on us in a restaurant one time. It almost got stabbed in the hand with a fork before it finally realized we weren't limp-wristed and weren't too fond of its advances.

See. - scratch the surface of any deluded religious fanatic and you'll find that they have not had any conversion attempt. It is all allegory.

Nothing allegory about it.

And just another way to fill both pews and.collection. baskets. Despicable, really.

You ain't the first homophobe and you won't be the last.

LOL@homophobe. This is to imply I'm afraid of them. Not afraid of them all, just don't like 'em, nor their lifestyle.

You cannot be converted to gay and gay can't be converted to you. Get over yourself.

Who said anything about me? We're not talking about me here. We're talking about children. And, thank God I can't be converted to gay and gay can't be converted to me.
 
A boy born female and a girl born male?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I'm just glad you were able to read it, but I hear sounding out the words really helps.

Can an African american be born caucasian?

Are you and Lonestar Lack of Logic really saying you have never heard of sexual ambivalence?

Have either of you ever heard of something called GOOGLEfuckingDOTcom?

You might want to try it.

Or, you may prefer to stay as dumb as Stephanie.
 
Since liberals are mentally ill, they have a need to not only deny reality themselves, they need to force others to deny reality.

No...the REALITY IS that there ARE those young boys, and girls, who discover they are 'different' at an early age...the young boys who like to play dress up and put lipstick on and clack around the room in their mothers high heels? Well, guess what? That is when mom and dad discover that he likes 'girly' things.... right away the thought "GAY" comes into their head like a hot poker probing their brains...oh nooo! lol...then, as time goes on it's evident he isn't just gay, but more than that...what to do?
Nine out of ten the mom and dad decide their LOVE of their son outweighs society's moral and social views and just let's him be WHO he wants to be.

And none of that bs changes the fact that if you have a penis you are a male and if you have a vagina you are female so use the appriate restroom while you're in school. Furthermore, those 9 out of 10 adults would be much better off getting their kids some therapy rather than playing into their fanatisies.

Don't you homeshool your children, Jt? And, if so...does this affect you and yours in any way?
Those 9 out of 10 would most likely benefit from homeshooling their children then, yes?

And this is NOT about letting their child 'play out' his 'fantasies'...truly transgendered children are not fantasizing about anything. They are simply trying to be what they were BORN to be.
 
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Show me where the majority of LGBT groups supported NAMBLA in the 60s.
I dare you.

If I do will you post a link to NAMBLA in your signature?

If you do a little research you will see that one of the major issues for the gay rights community was the disparity between the age of consent laws for straight and homosexual sex. This was the driving force behind the NAMBLA-gay rights alliance in the early years. At some point gay rights activists started to realize just how radical NAMBLA actually is, and got a divorce.
I did do my research, I know for a fact you didn't.

So if you can show me gay rights groups supported NAMBLA in the 60's I will put a link in my sig line. But it has to be in the 60's, no other decade.

You want me to prove that gay organizations supported NAMBLA before they existed? How am I supposed to do that?
 
Have you?
Have you nothing to refute my post other than one sentence nonsense?

OKie Dokie, I have two granddaughters in grade school. I raised a daughter, who also attended grade school, albeit a few years ago. I know several friends who teach grade school students.
My experience is that girls are much, much more sadistic and vicious than boys are. Boys have a tendency to be more direct. Girls also run in packs and cliques. If your so-called, self-identified fhe-male really has the psyche of a girl, they will be much more sensitive to being excluded from and targeted by girls.

Given that, I DO NOT agree that these horribly confused and abused children be integrated into the changing rooms and bathrooms of the opposite gender. Biology should be the only determining factor at this age and level of psychological and social development. At some point in time, the needs of the few should be subordinate to the requirements/needs of the many. If that is not acceptable to the "parents" of such confused children, I am sure there are enough communities of like mind that the parents would better serve the child by removing them to a place where such behavioral issues are more accepted. To force acceptance where it is not welcomed would only make the child's situation more damaging. Parents who insist on using their children as a playing piece in their politically correct gaming are some pretty low, disgusting people.

What is low is sexualizing the behavior of grade school children. That is what pedophiles do....in a sick effort to justify raping kiddies....for which there is never justification.

If an anatomical male is or will be taking puberty restricting hormones, no one but his parents and pediatrician will see his penis.

But if he is getting up into 7th grade and is not on hormones he needs to be in the boys room.

A girl to boy on hormones also needs to be in the girls bathroom until she has been on male hormones long enough to change most secondary sex characteristics to male ones.

This is no game. It is no adult fantasy, except in sick pedophile world. These are these
children's lives and they deserve the respect and loving care that all responsible adults give to children.

The responsible thiing - if you don't understand or are stuck in Ozzie and Harrietland, is to leave it to the experts and miind your own business. No modern families involved need ignorant meddlers.

Regards from Rosie

You're an idiot, and you're so far off base here that I won't even begin to address the nonsense you've posted, but I will address your first sentence. Grade school kids ARE HAVING SEX NOWADAYS, so I don't want your confused little kid with a penis in my daughter's restroom at school, end of freaking story.
 
No...the REALITY IS that there ARE those young boys, and girls, who discover they are 'different' at an early age...the young boys who like to play dress up and put lipstick on and clack around the room in their mothers high heels? Well, guess what? That is when mom and dad discover that he likes 'girly' things.... right away the thought "GAY" comes into their head like a hot poker probing their brains...oh nooo! lol...then, as time goes on it's evident he isn't just gay, but more than that...what to do?
Nine out of ten the mom and dad decide their LOVE of their son outweighs society's moral and social views and just let's him be WHO he wants to be.

And none of that bs changes the fact that if you have a penis you are a male and if you have a vagina you are female so use the appriate restroom while you're in school. Furthermore, those 9 out of 10 adults would be much better off getting their kids some therapy rather than playing into their fanatisies.

Don't you homeshool your children, Jt? And, if so...does this affect you and yours in any way?
Those 9 out of 10 would most likely benefit from homeshooling their children then, yes?

And this is NOT about letting their child 'play out' his 'fantasies'...truly transgendered children are not fantasizing about anything. They are simply trying to be what they were BORN to be.

No, they attend and attended private school, but I have neices and nephews in public school so this does effect me. If they were born with a penis and testicles, they were born to be a male, same as if they were born with a vagina, overies, etc, they were born to be a female. Anything else they feel is in their heads and therapy is the answer to head problems, not playing into their fantasy.
 
If I do will you post a link to NAMBLA in your signature?

If you do a little research you will see that one of the major issues for the gay rights community was the disparity between the age of consent laws for straight and homosexual sex. This was the driving force behind the NAMBLA-gay rights alliance in the early years. At some point gay rights activists started to realize just how radical NAMBLA actually is, and got a divorce.
I did do my research, I know for a fact you didn't.

So if you can show me gay rights groups supported NAMBLA in the 60's I will put a link in my sig line. But it has to be in the 60's, no other decade.

You want me to prove that gay organizations supported NAMBLA before they existed? How am I supposed to do that?

Um you are the one who said he could. I was waiting for you to realize they were formed in 78'. :lol:

So what did gay organizations support in the 60s? Especially since along with NAMBLA, most were created in the 70s or after.
I guess you should do your homework before you start speaking out your ass.
 
Have you been in grade school lately?

Have you?
Have you nothing to refute my post other than one sentence nonsense?

OKie Dokie, I have two granddaughters in grade school. I raised a daughter, who also attended grade school, albeit a few years ago. I know several friends who teach grade school students.
My experience is that girls are much, much more sadistic and vicious than boys are. Boys have a tendency to be more direct. Girls also run in packs and cliques. If your so-called, self-identified fhe-male really has the psyche of a girl, they will be much more sensitive to being excluded from and targeted by girls.

Given that, I DO NOT agree that these horribly confused and abused children be integrated into the changing rooms and bathrooms of the opposite gender. Biology should be the only determining factor at this age and level of psychological and social development. At some point in time, the needs of the few should be subordinate to the requirements/needs of the many. If that is not acceptable to the "parents" of such confused children, I am sure there are enough communities of like mind that the parents would better serve the child by removing them to a place where such behavioral issues are more accepted. To force acceptance where it is not welcomed would only make the child's situation more damaging. Parents who insist on using their children as a playing piece in their politically correct gaming are some pretty low, disgusting people.

Confused and abused? Where in any of this is it being talked of that they are abused?
Behavioral issues? We're not talking about a 'behavioral' issue, GW <--lol...we are talking about a child who was BORN to be WHO they are meant to be.

"To force acceptence where it is not welcome only makes the childs situation more damaging"... Hmmm...I wonder if the big strong white men felt this way as you do when it came to civil rights and womens rights?
 
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OKie Dokie, I have two granddaughters in grade school. I raised a daughter, who also attended grade school, albeit a few years ago. I know several friends who teach grade school students.
My experience is that girls are much, much more sadistic and vicious than boys are. Boys have a tendency to be more direct. Girls also run in packs and cliques. If your so-called, self-identified fhe-male really has the psyche of a girl, they will be much more sensitive to being excluded from and targeted by girls.

Given that, I DO NOT agree that these horribly confused and abused children be integrated into the changing rooms and bathrooms of the opposite gender. Biology should be the only determining factor at this age and level of psychological and social development. At some point in time, the needs of the few should be subordinate to the requirements/needs of the many. If that is not acceptable to the "parents" of such confused children, I am sure there are enough communities of like mind that the parents would better serve the child by removing them to a place where such behavioral issues are more accepted. To force acceptance where it is not welcomed would only make the child's situation more damaging. Parents who insist on using their children as a playing piece in their politically correct gaming are some pretty low, disgusting people.

What is low is sexualizing the behavior of grade school children. That is what pedophiles do....in a sick effort to justify raping kiddies....for which there is never justification.

If an anatomical male is or will be taking puberty restricting hormones, no one but his parents and pediatrician will see his penis.

But if he is getting up into 7th grade and is not on hormones he needs to be in the boys room.

A girl to boy on hormones also needs to be in the girls bathroom until she has been on male hormones long enough to change most secondary sex characteristics to male ones.

This is no game. It is no adult fantasy, except in sick pedophile world. These are these
children's lives and they deserve the respect and loving care that all responsible adults give to children.

The responsible thiing - if you don't understand or are stuck in Ozzie and Harrietland, is to leave it to the experts and miind your own business. No modern families involved need ignorant meddlers.

Regards from Rosie

You're an idiot, and you're so far off base here that I won't even begin to address the nonsense you've posted, but I will address your first sentence. Grade school kids ARE HAVING SEX NOWADAYS, so I don't want your confused little kid with a penis in my daughter's restroom at school, end of freaking story.


Normal grade school kids are not having sex. No transgendered child wants a penis anywhere near your girl. It is 2012. Grow the helll up already.

Regards from Rosie
 
I did do my research, I know for a fact you didn't.

So if you can show me gay rights groups supported NAMBLA in the 60's I will put a link in my sig line. But it has to be in the 60's, no other decade.

You want me to prove that gay organizations supported NAMBLA before they existed? How am I supposed to do that?

Um you are the one who said he could. I was waiting for you to realize they were formed in 78'. :lol:

So what did gay organizations support in the 60s? Especially since along with NAMBLA, most were created in the 70s or after.
I guess you should do your homework before you start speaking out your ass.

I was being facetious, there were no gay rights in the early 1960s, they got started after the Stonewall riots in 1969. The founder of the very first gay rights group founded NAMBLA less than 10 years later.
 
And none of that bs changes the fact that if you have a penis you are a male and if you have a vagina you are female so use the appriate restroom while you're in school. Furthermore, those 9 out of 10 adults would be much better off getting their kids some therapy rather than playing into their fanatisies.

Don't you homeshool your children, Jt? And, if so...does this affect you and yours in any way?
Those 9 out of 10 would most likely benefit from homeshooling their children then, yes?

And this is NOT about letting their child 'play out' his 'fantasies'...truly transgendered children are not fantasizing about anything. They are simply trying to be what they were BORN to be.

No, they attend and attended private school, but I have neices and nephews in public school so this does effect me. If they were born with a penis and testicles, they were born to be a male, same as if they were born with a vagina, overies, etc, they were born to be a female. Anything else they feel is in their heads and therapy is the answer to head problems, not playing into their fantasy.

its not about genitals..its about society at a large defining masculine and feminine qualities and assigning them to genitalia..if we did less of this we would see less of those that need to identify as an opposite sex and feeling the need hormones or surgeries to be free to express themselves as they feel inside
 
What is low is sexualizing the behavior of grade school children. That is what pedophiles do....in a sick effort to justify raping kiddies....for which there is never justification.

If an anatomical male is or will be taking puberty restricting hormones, no one but his parents and pediatrician will see his penis.

But if he is getting up into 7th grade and is not on hormones he needs to be in the boys room.

A girl to boy on hormones also needs to be in the girls bathroom until she has been on male hormones long enough to change most secondary sex characteristics to male ones.

This is no game. It is no adult fantasy, except in sick pedophile world. These are these
children's lives and they deserve the respect and loving care that all responsible adults give to children.

The responsible thiing - if you don't understand or are stuck in Ozzie and Harrietland, is to leave it to the experts and miind your own business. No modern families involved need ignorant meddlers.

Regards from Rosie

You're an idiot, and you're so far off base here that I won't even begin to address the nonsense you've posted, but I will address your first sentence. Grade school kids ARE HAVING SEX NOWADAYS, so I don't want your confused little kid with a penis in my daughter's restroom at school, end of freaking story.


Normal grade school kids are not having sex.

Really? Are you honestly this naive?

Third Graders Reportedly Have Oral Sex Under Desk, Teacher Fired For Not Noticing
3/23/2012

An unnamed teacher at Tallulah Elementary School in Tallulah, La., has been fired after she failed to notice two third grade students allegedly having oral sex under a classroom table, the News-Star reports.

District Superintendent Lisa Wilmore told the paper the teacher was fired because the incident occurred under her watch.

"The principal felt that she was not monitoring the classroom adequately," Wilmore said, according to the News-Star. "The principal made a decision, and I supported the principal. We have to make sure we have people in these classrooms who are monitoring our students."

According to WBRZ, the district has also placed a different teacher on paid leave during an investigation of alleged substance abuse while on the job.

In a separate article, the News-Star reported that both students are now undergoing counseling, and that both teacher dismissals are a part of Wilmore's effort to "change the culture" of the district.

This isn't the first time activities like this have occurred in the classroom while a teacher was present. In February, two kindergarteners at PS 189 in Washington Heights, New York City allegedly took off their clothes and engaged in oral sex-like activities while under the teacher's watch.

One parent told the New York Post the school didn't immediately take responsibility for the incident.

"They were trying to say that my daughter was inviting these children to do this to her," the parent told the paper at the time. "Where were the adults?"

CORRECTION: A previous version of this article incorrectly identified WBRZ as a local television station in Tallulah, La. WBRZ is a local station in Baton Rouge, La.

Fifth Grade Students Arrested for Having Sex in Classroom
Apr. 6, 2007

LOUISIANA - Last month, it was reported in this story that two sixth grade students in Indiana had been accused of having sex in their shop class, while the teacher was present, and that the school district covered up this occurrence, not admitting the event had taken place until months later, when a television news station broke the story, thanks to a letter that tipped them off. This month, in a small city in Louisiana, FoxNews reported this morning that a similar event occurred at the Spearsville school. Unlike the incident in Indiana, the students involved were arrested Tuesday morning. Their names have been withheld due to their ages, and the students have been released to their parents pending court.

The students arrested were: One 13-year old boy, one 12-year old boy, and two 11-year old girls; each charged with obscenity, which is a felony. Also charged was one 11 year old boy who allegedly acted as a lookout for the other students. He is being charged with accessory to a felony, also a felony charge.

The class was reported to have about 15 students total, including the alleged sexual perpetrators. Usually, a high school teacher would supervisor the fifth grade class during the period of time this incident occurred, but it was reported by the school that the class had been left unsupervised for approximately 15 minutes, and this is when the incident allegedly occurred.

The incident was not reported immediately, but the following day, one of the students in the class was reported to have told the incident to a Spearsville high school student, who then reported it to a teacher. The teacher then reported it to the proper school officials, who then contacted the local sheriff's department. Investigators began questioning students about the incident on Thursday.

The average age of a 5th grade student in American is 11 years old. This growing trend has educators concerned not only with the actions of the students but also the age of the students and the fact this is happening in the classrooms, with other students observing, and in the case of both stories, the one in Indiana and this one in Louisiana, with other students acting as lookouts for teachers and staff who would otherwise stop the behavior.

Union Parish Sheriff Bob Buckley was quoted in an Associated Press article to say, "After 44 years of doing this work, nothing shocks me anymore ... But this comes pretty close." (Retrieved April 6, 2007 from: http://www.thenewstribune.com/24hour/nation/story/3593143p-12860934c.html)

At this time, it is not clear what penalties the students who were arrested will face if convicted of these charges. The charges, while felonies, are pending with the juvenile court system, where the students will be arraigned.

Oakland 2nd Graders Reportedly Engage In Sex Acts, Teacher Suspended
January 21, 2011

OAKLAND (CBS 5) -- A teacher at Oakland's Markham Elementary School has been suspended indefinitely after school officials said a pair of second-graders performed sex acts on each other in class -- with the teacher present.

"I think everyone is taken aback over this shocking incident," Troy Flint, the spokesman for the Oakland Unified School District, told CBS 5. "Of course, it is hard to understand how that could have occurred."

Flint said the sex acts incident was one of two separate cases under investigation involving the teacher; both incidents occurred last week in the same classroom but he said they didn't come to the attention of school officials until Wednesday.

In one case, several students apparently took off their clothes and were naked in the classroom. In the second incident, a boy and girl reportedly engaged in oral sex in front of their classmates.

Flint indicated that the suspended teacher, whose name was not released by the school district, was present for both of the incidents.

Flint and Markham principal Pam Booker said they were limited in terms of the details they could release at this time because of the ongoing investigation into the matter.

Booker noted that the students said to be involved in the incidents were interviewed by school leaders.

In a letter sent to parents of Markham students on Thursday, Booker offered an apology by telling them that the incidents "represent an unacceptable lack of supervision. I understand there is great anger over this news."
 

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