CDZ Stabbings in Israel

[Indofred]

I put this in CDZ in order to get serious replies, not the usual insults and mud slinging.

Jewish man killed by Israeli police - JerusalemOnline

Hours after Shahar Maman (34) was shot dead by a policeman while holding a knife during a fight in Bat Yam, his friends were outraged. "The policeman could have shot him in the leg, why did he kill him?" Israeli Police: "Maman was holding a knife and ran toward the policeman." internal affairs will investigate this incident.

Whilst this man was clearly just a violent idiot out for a fight, probably totally disinterested in anything political, why are there voices in protest at his shooting dead by a policeman, whilst there is so much support for shooting Arabs who do exactly the same things?
This policeman is being investigated, whilst the ones who shoot Arabs are encouraged by their government.

Bennett Supports Cops Who Shot Arab Attacker

Jewish Home Chairman, Economics Minister Naftali Bennett, issued a call Saturday night to support the policeman who shot dead an Arab from Kafr Kana in the Galilee, after the man repeatedly lunged at a police car with a knife in his hand.

"A crazed Arab terrorist attacked our policemen's vehicle with a knife, in an attempt to murder them,” said Bennett. “A policeman shot him. That is what is expected of our security forces.”

CDZ is about logical, well reasoned answers.

 

[DarkFury]

You cannot be world wide terrorists on a Monday and expect mercy on a Tuesday.

 

[DarkFury]

I put this in CDZ in order to get serious replies, not the usual insults and mud slinging.

Jewish man killed by Israeli police - JerusalemOnline

Hours after Shahar Maman (34) was shot dead by a policeman while holding a knife during a fight in Bat Yam, his friends were outraged. "The policeman could have shot him in the leg, why did he kill him?" Israeli Police: "Maman was holding a knife and ran toward the policeman." internal affairs will investigate this incident.

Whilst this man was clearly just a violent idiot out for a fight, probably totally disinterested in anything political, why are there voices in protest at his shooting dead by a policeman, whilst there is so much support for shooting Arabs who do exactly the same things?
This policeman is being investigated, whilst the ones who shoot Arabs are encouraged by their government.

Bennett Supports Cops Who Shot Arab Attacker

Jewish Home Chairman, Economics Minister Naftali Bennett, issued a call Saturday night to support the policeman who shot dead an Arab from Kafr Kana in the Galilee, after the man repeatedly lunged at a police car with a knife in his hand.

"A crazed Arab terrorist attacked our policemen's vehicle with a knife, in an attempt to murder them,” said Bennett. “A policeman shot him. That is what is expected of our security forces.”

CDZ is about logical, well reasoned answers.

you have introduce a very interesting question which is------"Should muslim terrorists be considered INSANE
and not responsible for their actions"? In the standard and accepted science of Psychiatry----belief in islam---and it's teaching is NOT insanity-----since it is a standard religion. During world war II------there was a convention of top notch psychiatrists which convened to discuss the Nazi hero ADOLF HITLER and his diagnosis--------they concluded that he was NOT INSANE-------he was a PSYCHOPATH----in crimminal law ---
PSYCHOPATH is not a defense. By the same token----belief in islam is not a defense in criminal
law, it is psychopathy -------murder for the cause of islam is a CRIME. If the Israeli policeman shot a
KNOWN PSYCHOTIC-----he might be liable. Unless you wish to suggest that every muslim who shrieks
"DEATH TO THE JEWS" is Psychotic and should be medicated and restrained------you have said nothing

Group insanity is not very common but IS documented such as Charles Manson' killers, The point you make about Hitler is ALSO valid because there IS pictures and writing between Hitler and Arabs.

He had Muslims serving in his army mainly in the middle east AND Africa. So the idea of a shared goal CAN be shown. Lawyers in the post Rodney King riots USED group think as a DEFENSE when defending the brick thrower that disabled the truck driver pulled from his rig.

 

[Billo_Really]

You cannot be world wide terrorists on a Monday and expect mercy on a Tuesday.

Palestinian's are not terrorists. They have a legal right to resist the occupation of their land by a foreign force.

The UN codified this right in 1973...

[In 1973]...the General Assembly recognized that armed struggle was a legitimate part of a liberation movement, declaring that the Assembly:

1. Reaffirms the inalienable right of all people under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation to self-determination, freedom and independence ...;

"2. Also reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples' struggle for liberation from colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle;
​

All this unrest is a direct result of the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade. For it to stop, the occupation must end.

 

[Coyote]

Guys, before this goes much further please remember you are in the CDZ. Make your posts relevent to the topic - no derailing, insults, put downs or flaming please.

 

[Billo_Really]

Group insanity is not very common but IS documented such as Charles Manson' killers, The point you make about Hitler is ALSO valid because there IS pictures and writing between Hitler and Arabs.

The Arabs only collaborated with Hitler, because Germany was at war with the British. They didn't do it because they were into Nazi ideology.

He had Muslims serving in his army mainly in the middle east AND Africa. So the idea of a shared goal CAN be shown.

Only where fighting the British was concerned. The Arabs were not all in to the Holocaust. Their fight was with the British.

BTW, there were Jews in the Waffen SS.

Lawyers in the post Rodney King riots USED group think as a DEFENSE when defending the brick thrower that disabled the truck driver pulled from his rig.

The main thing about those two incidents was the riots were a result of the injustice a certain group of the population was experiencing. Which is exactly what we have in the difference between Palestinian's and Israeli's being shot and killed. In this case, the Palestinian's are Rodney King, the Israeli's are the cops who were acquitted in San Dimas and Israeli settlers in the OPT are Reginald Denny.

 

[DarkFury]

From the Op's link
"
Hours after Shahar Maman (34) was shot dead by a policeman while holding a knife during a fight in Bat Yam, his friends were outraged. "The policeman could have shot him in the leg, why did he kill him?" Israeli Police: "Maman was holding a knife and ran toward the policeman." internal affairs will investigate this incident."

THAT very thing would get him shot IN American. You hold a knife and you charge a cop you die.

 

[Billo_Really]

From the Op's link
"
Hours after Shahar Maman (34) was shot dead by a policeman while holding a knife during a fight in Bat Yam, his friends were outraged. "The policeman could have shot him in the leg, why did he kill him?" Israeli Police: "Maman was holding a knife and ran toward the policeman." internal affairs will investigate this incident."

THAT very thing would get him shot IN American. You hold a knife and you charge a cop you die.

I don't think that's the issue in the OP.

On the one hand, a Jewish kid is shot dead by Israeli police (because he charged the cop with a knife) and people are protesting the cop.

On the other hand, a Palestinian kid is shot dead by Israeli police (because he charged the cops car with a knife) and the people are praising the cop.

That is quite the hypocrisy!

 

[DarkFury]

From the Op's link
"
Hours after Shahar Maman (34) was shot dead by a policeman while holding a knife during a fight in Bat Yam, his friends were outraged. "The policeman could have shot him in the leg, why did he kill him?" Israeli Police: "Maman was holding a knife and ran toward the policeman." internal affairs will investigate this incident."

THAT very thing would get him shot IN American. You hold a knife and you charge a cop you die.

I don't think that's the issue in the OP.

On the one hand, a Jewish kid is shot dead by Israeli police (because he charged the cop with a knife) and people are protesting the cop.

On the other hand, a Palestinian kid is shot dead by Israeli police (because he charged the cops car with a knife) and the people are praising the cop.

That is quite the hypocrisy!

What it tells you and all it tells you is if you charge a cop with a knife you have 50/50 chance of being shot and killed. that's ALL that says.

 

[Billo_Really]

What it tells you and all it tells you is if you charge a cop with a knife you have 50/50 chance of being shot and killed. that's ALL that says.

It says more than that.

It says Israeli society (in that area) condones the killing of Palestinian's with knives, but objects to the killing of Israeli's with knives.

 

[DarkFury]

What it tells you and all it tells you is if you charge a cop with a knife you have 50/50 chance of being shot and killed. that's ALL that says.

It says more than that.

It says Israeli society (in that area) condones the killing of Palestinian's with knives, but objects to the killing of Israeli's with knives.

Two different perps. Two different cops. Two different results.
THAT is ALL it says. Me? I would have shot both. Religion is NOT the issue here and saying so does make it so.

If you go after a cop with a knife you have a 50/50 chance of dying.
BOTH were criminals so who cares? One is dead anyway.

 

[Billo_Really]

Two different perps. Two different cops. Two different results.
THAT is ALL it says. Me? I would have shot both. Religion is NOT the issue here and saying so does make it so.

If you go after a cop with a knife you have a 50/50 chance of dying.
BOTH were criminals so who cares? One is dead anyway.

I didn't say anything about religion.

If that's all it says, then why the different reactions from the same group of people?

 

[DarkFury]

Two different perps. Two different cops. Two different results.
THAT is ALL it says. Me? I would have shot both. Religion is NOT the issue here and saying so does make it so.

If you go after a cop with a knife you have a 50/50 chance of dying.
BOTH were criminals so who cares? One is dead anyway.

I didn't say anything about religion.

If that's all it says, then why the different reactions from the same group of people?

Key word "group" NOT person. Now IF the SAME cop had done two different things I would tend to agree. BUT as its a group you only look at the stats and the stats do not tell you about the people.

 

[irosie91]

I put this in CDZ in order to get serious replies, not the usual insults and mud slinging.

Jewish man killed by Israeli police - JerusalemOnline

Hours after Shahar Maman (34) was shot dead by a policeman while holding a knife during a fight in Bat Yam, his friends were outraged. "The policeman could have shot him in the leg, why did he kill him?" Israeli Police: "Maman was holding a knife and ran toward the policeman." internal affairs will investigate this incident.

Whilst this man was clearly just a violent idiot out for a fight, probably totally disinterested in anything political, why are there voices in protest at his shooting dead by a policeman, whilst there is so much support for shooting Arabs who do exactly the same things?
This policeman is being investigated, whilst the ones who shoot Arabs are encouraged by their government.

Bennett Supports Cops Who Shot Arab Attacker

Jewish Home Chairman, Economics Minister Naftali Bennett, issued a call Saturday night to support the policeman who shot dead an Arab from Kafr Kana in the Galilee, after the man repeatedly lunged at a police car with a knife in his hand.

"A crazed Arab terrorist attacked our policemen's vehicle with a knife, in an attempt to murder them,” said Bennett. “A policeman shot him. That is what is expected of our security forces.”

CDZ is about logical, well reasoned answers.

you have introduce a very interesting question which is------"Should muslim terrorists be considered INSANE
and not responsible for their actions"? In the standard and accepted science of Psychiatry----belief in islam---and it's teaching is NOT insanity-----since it is a standard religion. During world war II------there was a convention of top notch psychiatrists which convened to discuss the Nazi hero ADOLF HITLER and his diagnosis--------they concluded that he was NOT INSANE-------he was a PSYCHOPATH----in crimminal law ---
PSYCHOPATH is not a defense. By the same token----belief in islam is not a defense in criminal
law, it is psychopathy -------murder for the cause of islam is a CRIME. If the Israeli policeman shot a
KNOWN PSYCHOTIC-----he might be liable. Unless you wish to suggest that every muslim who shrieks
"DEATH TO THE JEWS" is Psychotic and should be medicated and restrained------you have said nothing

Group insanity is not very common but IS documented such as Charles Manson' killers, The point you make about Hitler is ALSO valid because there IS pictures and writing between Hitler and Arabs.

He had Muslims serving in his army mainly in the middle east AND Africa. So the idea of a shared goal CAN be shown. Lawyers in the post Rodney King riots USED group think as a DEFENSE when defending the brick thrower that disabled the truck driver pulled from his rig.

there is a difference between MOB MENTALITY and religion. Riots are an example of mob
mentality------people IN AN EPISODE----give up ego and decision making to THE CROWD---
in mob mentality------it is like a temporary psychosis. Islamic terrorism is not a temporary
psychosis-----persons who so engage ------have PLANS ------the terrorist carrying a big knife
does not do so in order to cut up his falafel. Adolf had soldiers----as far as I know----mostly
in the BALKANS------the Bosnian muslims as far as I know. He certainly was tight with
GRAND MUFTI THE BABY THROAT SLITTER AL HUSSEINI who was a Baathist pig
like the Assads

 

[Indofred]

You cannot be world wide terrorists on a Monday and expect mercy on a Tuesday.

Perhaps you would like to answer the question I posed.
Why was one police killing wrong, but all the others are right?

 

[Indofred]

What it tells you and all it tells you is if you charge a cop with a knife you have 50/50 chance of being shot and killed. that's ALL that says.

It says more than that.

It says Israeli society (in that area) condones the killing of Palestinian's with knives, but objects to the killing of Israeli's with knives.

The man wins a coconut.
It's that difference I'm attempting to explore.

 

[Indofred]

THAT very thing would get him shot IN American. You hold a knife and you charge a cop you die.

Possibly so, but why do his friends say the cops should have shot him in the leg, when there seems to be general support for shooting Muslim knife attackers dead?

 

[Indeependent]

I put this in CDZ in order to get serious replies, not the usual insults and mud slinging.

Jewish man killed by Israeli police - JerusalemOnline

Hours after Shahar Maman (34) was shot dead by a policeman while holding a knife during a fight in Bat Yam, his friends were outraged. "The policeman could have shot him in the leg, why did he kill him?" Israeli Police: "Maman was holding a knife and ran toward the policeman." internal affairs will investigate this incident.

Whilst this man was clearly just a violent idiot out for a fight, probably totally disinterested in anything political, why are there voices in protest at his shooting dead by a policeman, whilst there is so much support for shooting Arabs who do exactly the same things?
This policeman is being investigated, whilst the ones who shoot Arabs are encouraged by their government.

Bennett Supports Cops Who Shot Arab Attacker

Jewish Home Chairman, Economics Minister Naftali Bennett, issued a call Saturday night to support the policeman who shot dead an Arab from Kafr Kana in the Galilee, after the man repeatedly lunged at a police car with a knife in his hand.

"A crazed Arab terrorist attacked our policemen's vehicle with a knife, in an attempt to murder them,” said Bennett. “A policeman shot him. That is what is expected of our security forces.”

CDZ is about logical, well reasoned answers.

Because a Jew going Hog Wild with a knife is rare.

 

[Indofred]

MOB MENTALITY

Apart from the whole post being off topic, there was no mob, just one man with a knife.

 

[DarkFury]

THAT very thing would get him shot IN American. You hold a knife and you charge a cop you die.

Possibly so, but why do his friends say the cops should have shot him in the leg, when there seems to be general support for shooting Muslim knife attackers dead?

We shoot them dead here no matter the race or religion.
You take a knife to a gun fight you die.