Spill, baby spill....42,000 gallons a day

[Zona]

Oh please, every region has issues that they're susceptible to. Cali has earthquakes, here in Kansas we have tornados, etc, etc. Everywhere there are risks to life and livelihood. There's no such thing as security. Tough, resilient people will find a way to get through whatever life throws at them, pussies will wait for someone to take care of them. There's nothing new here at all.






Do you say that in your best Bubba Gump voice? It makes me laugh just to imagine it.

Ok, so they aren't lazy, then I guess they'll be ok, won't they?

It seems like a lot of people want to make this political. That's fine. All we have to do is look at different philosophies on life to see who will be ok and who will be crying like like bitches with sand in their vaginas to know who will come out of all of this better for being tested and who will try to make their problem into a monetary gain.

And yes, I am a cold, hard, bitch. It's been working pretty well so far.



You're worried about the fish? Hmmm... let's see... die in oil clogged water or be hauled out and eaten. Doesn't seem like a huge difference in the end from the fishie perspective. Enlighten us, would you rather die from suffocation or be yanked from your home and eaten? As a fish what is the big fucking difference?

I knew libs could be arrogant but this thread and some of the responses.... that's the wow here Zona.

You know what your problem is? Unlike your paleocon counterparts, you and your neocon/lilbertarian buddies do not value anything in life other than consumption and the almighty dollar. If a 100 year old family shrimp business gets destroyed, its no sweat off your back, because you value nothing. If one of the most pristine national wildlife refuges is drenched in oil, its no problem to you, because you value nothing. If a Florida beach town becomes abandoned, what do you care, your beach is fine. Culture, tradition, family - things that give life meaning - are worth nothing to you because they cannot be packaged and drop shipped to you over-night from a warehouse 1000 miles away.

If all of your above statement is SO important to you, why do you support a gov that will tax all the above into oblivion?

I feel as thought the people who benifited from both bush tax cuts should be taxed to pay back. OH wait, they will soon enough.

I have no problem with this. I dont make over 250k.

 

[Zona]

Sarah palin fan are ya? Thats nice..... Now care to try and debate the points raised now? I can't stand palin, I think shes a fake. Also I think Steele is a corporate yes man. Despite this I am quite sure Obama is a tool for the UN, and the CO2 believers crowd are crooks out to make billions from a life tax known as cap and trade....

So lets dispense with the party-based bullshit attacks.... if you have an argument about the oil spill or what any of us have said than address that to us.....

So you do agree, palin is an idiot and this dumb republican line of drill baby drill is idiotic. Now back to the continual oil spills. Lets look into alternative energy sources and stop relying on oil.

I know the last president was an oil man, I know oil is huge in Alaska, but this is a new ideiology in the white house I hope. Lets stop being reliant on oil and figure out a way to get energy. example...I live in Arizona and cant figure out why almost everything isnt run on solar power here.

Dude they are all oil men.. The world is run on oil like it or not. To pretend one candidate isn't is just living in a dream world.

The reality is solar power efficiency is 10-17 percent a peak and optimum performance currently.... And by most standards the 17 is reaching. Most never get above 12 percent efficiency... Also even if you could put solar panels on every roof top and on every open area you could find, you would still need batteries to store the energy otherwise no energy at night or for early mornings, or for the later evenings. Until solar panels can get to reasonable rate of exchange or conversion rate it is not going to happen. Hospitals cannot wait for a sunny day to have an emergency. People who work nights and sleep days also need energy....

What do you expect all those factories running a second or third shift to fire all those people because a few people want to use solar power? Right, let me know much support you will get once jobs are lost, revenue lost from businesses unable to function at night, and all the other little things that will go with that.

Also, the fact we being pushed to use more and more electrical equipment. Lawnmowers for instance... The largest number of them run on petroleum, but people are being pressured to use electric ones. When we get to the point thats all we are allowed to use (and it will happen sooner or later), that will be more electricity used. how about electric cars (also going to happen), how do you suppose we power those chargers on solar power?

THese are the realities that almost none on the AGW side even consider. They take the extreme statements and fears and run with them without thinking this through at all....

I am not talking nationally, I am talking about us here in Arizona....
A school that is solar powered here...
Arizona has first school totally powered by solar
More info for ya
Go AZ Solar Panels and Solar Power Systems Phoenix, Arizona
I have a guy doen the street who converted his home to solar panels and I will talk to him about his savings. I am tired of tripling my electric bill during the summer.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Actually, I don't have a beach.

If you did you wouldn't care what happened to it, so its not like it matters if you have one or not.

Culture, tradition, family - things that give life meaning - are worth nothing to you because they cannot be packaged and drop shipped to you over-night from a warehouse 1000 miles away.

Interesting. Can't wait to see you in the gay marriage threads.

Thanks for helping to prove my point - when I say "culture, tradition, familiy" - you think I'm talking about picking the right package of political ideals.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

If all of your above statement is SO important to you, why do you support a gov that will tax all the above into oblivion?

How's that?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Can you imagine what New Orleans or NYC would be like without fossil fuels providing energy to pump out sewage and bring in 'clean' water?

Can you imagine what the Louisiana coastline would look like not caked in oil and sludge and dead things? Maybe one day I can show my kid a picture of what a gulf oyster looked like. Thank got for cameras.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

No Tuba,

The problem with us is that unlike yourself we are educated and realize that sometimes doing nothing is the best course of action. Let me enlighten you a little..

Over twenty years ago there were some good hearted environmentalists who decided that they wanted to protect deer from cold hearted hunters in Arizona. The first thing they did was a little research and they found that the Kaibab Plateau was a good place to put critters because no evil hunters could get to them.

The next thing they did was round up a whole passel of deer and shipped them to the plateau where they left them to their own devices. In due time the deer ate everything on the plateau and died because there were no predators to keep their numbers under control.

So in the end what was achieved for all of that massive expense? A few hundred deer starved to death and the Kaibab Plateau is now sterile....nothing lives on it anymore. In a few more decades plants will no doubt return (that is of course if humans havn't allready replanted them...the last I heard (5 years ago) this had not been done) and then regular critters will once again inhabit the plateau.

So are environmentalists bad people? No they are merely good hearted folks who don't understand the true nature of...well nature. They allow their emotions to interfere with good common sense and the critters in the long run pay for it. They allways do because the enviros in the long run only care that it was the "right" thing to do and it makes them feel good about themselves. The fact that what they did was an unmitigated failure never enters into the picture.

Do you wanna explain to me what a bunch of fucking deer have to do with 5,000 barrels a day leaking out into the gulf? Because it looks to me like you're just babbling like a complete moron.

 

[gslack]

So you do agree, palin is an idiot and this dumb republican line of drill baby drill is idiotic. Now back to the continual oil spills. Lets look into alternative energy sources and stop relying on oil.

I know the last president was an oil man, I know oil is huge in Alaska, but this is a new ideiology in the white house I hope. Lets stop being reliant on oil and figure out a way to get energy. example...I live in Arizona and cant figure out why almost everything isnt run on solar power here.

Dude they are all oil men.. The world is run on oil like it or not. To pretend one candidate isn't is just living in a dream world.

The reality is solar power efficiency is 10-17 percent a peak and optimum performance currently.... And by most standards the 17 is reaching. Most never get above 12 percent efficiency... Also even if you could put solar panels on every roof top and on every open area you could find, you would still need batteries to store the energy otherwise no energy at night or for early mornings, or for the later evenings. Until solar panels can get to reasonable rate of exchange or conversion rate it is not going to happen. Hospitals cannot wait for a sunny day to have an emergency. People who work nights and sleep days also need energy....

What do you expect all those factories running a second or third shift to fire all those people because a few people want to use solar power? Right, let me know much support you will get once jobs are lost, revenue lost from businesses unable to function at night, and all the other little things that will go with that.

Also, the fact we being pushed to use more and more electrical equipment. Lawnmowers for instance... The largest number of them run on petroleum, but people are being pressured to use electric ones. When we get to the point thats all we are allowed to use (and it will happen sooner or later), that will be more electricity used. how about electric cars (also going to happen), how do you suppose we power those chargers on solar power?

THese are the realities that almost none on the AGW side even consider. They take the extreme statements and fears and run with them without thinking this through at all....

I am not talking nationally, I am talking about us here in Arizona....
A school that is solar powered here...
Arizona has first school totally powered by solar
More info for ya
Go AZ Solar Panels and Solar Power Systems Phoenix, Arizona
I have a guy doen the street who converted his home to solar panels and I will talk to him about his savings. I am tired of tripling my electric bill during the summer.

Your first link Arizona has first school totally powered by solar

The article is misleading in a number of ways...

1. the article title says; "Arizona has first school totally powered by solar" but the actual article states it WILL have... Construction will not begin until early june and thats IF all goes to plan and all the permits granted on schedule.

2. The school pays a company $112,000 a year for the next 15-20 years and after that they will own the solar panels and then they will pay the company for maintenance and upkeep. Those panels are expected to last between 30-40 years. So in reality after paying $112,000 for about 20 years which is a total of $2,240,000 they will get a system that will be obsolete 10 years after they buy it. And that they will still have to pay for upgrades and maintenance on. And if the claims of solar power are correct it could be obsolete much sooner than that. if I were on that school board i would be looking into getting out of that deal.... Sounds like a scam to me, too many particulars, go-betweens, middle-men, and possible ways to be taken.

3. Again its not even proven yet, nor is it even a reality. its a possibility being sold as a fact once more....


I don't want to be a nay-saying jerk.... I really do think solar will be part of the future. But right now its just not a viable alternative at all....

 

[SpidermanTuba]

2. The school pays a company $112,000 a year for the next 15-20 years and after that they will own the solar panels and then they will pay the company for maintenance and upkeep. Those panels are expected to last between 30-40 years. So in reality after paying $112,000 for about 20 years which is a total of $2,240,000 they will get a system that will be obsolete 10 years after they buy it. And that they will still have to pay for upgrades and maintenance on. And if the claims of solar power are correct it could be obsolete much sooner than that. if I were on that school board i would be looking into getting out of that deal.... Sounds like a scam to me, too many particulars, go-betweens, middle-men, and possible ways to be taken.

Here we go again .... its the amazing ..... EXPERT ON EVERYTHING!!!!!

 

[gslack]

2. The school pays a company $112,000 a year for the next 15-20 years and after that they will own the solar panels and then they will pay the company for maintenance and upkeep. Those panels are expected to last between 30-40 years. So in reality after paying $112,000 for about 20 years which is a total of $2,240,000 they will get a system that will be obsolete 10 years after they buy it. And that they will still have to pay for upgrades and maintenance on. And if the claims of solar power are correct it could be obsolete much sooner than that. if I were on that school board i would be looking into getting out of that deal.... Sounds like a scam to me, too many particulars, go-betweens, middle-men, and possible ways to be taken.

Here we go again .... its the amazing ..... EXPERT ON EVERYTHING!!!!!

I can add and multiply douchebag and that all that was...... What you have problems with that junior? I will help you.... 1+1=2.....Got it?

Fake!!!!!!

 

[SpidermanTuba]

gslack-

I'm clearly not above mud slinging myself, but I like to actually have a debate in the midst of slinging mud and having it slinged on me.

You offer nothing but mud. Every single post you have made essentially says the same thing. "You're a liar. You're stupid. You're fake" - and that's IT.

Sorry but I need a LITTLE more substance. So I've put you on my "IGNORE" list. You should seriously consider getting back on your meds and coming clean with the staff about it. Now get back to bed, remember tomorrow the barber comes for your weekly shave!

 

[gslack]

gslack-

I'm clearly not above mud slinging myself, but I like to actually have a debate in the midst of slinging mud and having it slinged on me.

You offer nothing but mud. Every single post you have made essentially says the same thing. "You're a liar. You're stupid. You're fake" - and that's IT.

Sorry but I need a LITTLE more substance. So I've put you on my "IGNORE" list. You should seriously consider getting back on your meds and coming clean with the staff about it. Now get back to bed, remember tomorrow the barber comes for your weekly shave!

HAHAHAHAHAHA! after post upon post of your badgering, insults, and lie after lie, you have the gall to try and pretend you are innocently trying to debate???


You are busted fake science boy!!!!

Tell me about FERMI you half-wit???


You are a proven fake, phony and liar, and from now on because of your incessant attacks on me across multiple threads, I will make sure this fact follows you.... you trolled me and then made the mistake of trying to lie about credentials troll boy.... now you will live with your lie junior!

You are a liar!

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Hey gslack.

YOU'RE ON MY IGNORE LIST.


So when you post a message all I see is

gslack
This message is hidden because gslack is on your ignore list.

So there was no need to REPLY to my message telling you I was ignoring you - because I can't see it!


Stupid to the very end, aren't you?

 

[Ravi]

Why?

Uh ... the spill didn't occur naturally, is 80 by 40 miles wide, and an ecological nightmare yet she wants to minimalize it like it's no biggie and it will just work itself out without our help ... in a few decades, of course.

It is no big deal, there are oil spills all the time.

Did you know the North sea is filled with off shore rigs?

That they are all over the gulf and more are coming?

In 91 Saddam dumped tons of it in the persian gulf and lit off even more, and it didn't take 'decades' to clean up.

The entire thread is obviously a gotcha attempt against people who want energy independance by using our own resources.

I can promise you the chinese won't be thinking safty first when they build the rigs for Cuba that will drill for our oil.

Either way someone will get at that oil, we can benifit from it or play our usual game of maximum stupid and hamstring ourselves because there might be an accident.

Another week at least of unabated Gulf oil geyser
By HOLBROOK MOHR and ALLEN G. BREED (AP) – 3 hours ago
VENICE, La. — Another week of oil pouring from the seafloor. That is the best-case scenario for the Gulf Coast, where dead sea turtles washed ashore and a massive rust-colored slick continued to swell from an uncontrolled gusher spewing into the water.
BP PLC was preparing a system never tried before at such depths to siphon away the geyser of crude from a blown-out well a mile under Gulf of Mexico waters. However, the plan to lower 74-ton, concrete-and-metal boxes being built to capture the oil and siphon it to a barge waiting at the surface will need at least another six to eight days to get it in place.
Crews continued to lay boom in what increasingly feels like a futile effort to slow down the spill, with all ideas to contain the flow failing so far.
"I've been in Pensacola and I am very, very concerned about this filth in the Gulf of Mexico," Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said at a fundraiser for his U.S. Senate campaign Sunday night. "It's not a spill, it's a flow. Envision sort of an underground volcano of oil and it keeps spewing over 200,000 gallons every single day, if not more."


The Associated Press: Another week at least of unabated Gulf oil geyser

 

[Old Rocks]

Xenophone, we have 3% of the worlds oil reserves, we use 25% of the worlds oil. Is there something that you don't understand about those figures? No matter how much we drill, we will not attain energy independence as long as petroleum is our main source of energy for transportation.

This oil spill is not only going to make a big differance, it is going to change the political climate concerning drilling offshore.

 

[Old Rocks]

Okay, it is time.... oil occurs naturally on this planet. Currently we use it for energy and to manufacture products. If you don't support using oil, stop buying products made from it. Buy products made locally so you are not adding to the transportation costs. Doing this will 'reduce' the demand for oil, less drilling will take place. If you truly believe that we can live without oil, then, lead by example. (Before we used petroleum oil, we used.....whale oil)

Oil spills. Oil spills occur naturally, also. "Tarpits" are an example of where oil is 'spilled', naturally, on the surface of the ground. There are also oil 'spills' under the ocean when 'some' underwater earthquakes allow a pocket of oil a path into ocean water. There is 'scientific' evidence this has been occurring for thousands of years. There is no way to stop it. The amount of oil 'leaking' or 'spilling' (if you prefer) has been reduced by man's use of the wonderous substance. In a sense, we have saved thousands of animals from being trapped in spills that would have occurred naturally, if we had not tapped that source and used the oil to help build a nation and a world.
Yes, it is ugly. Can you imagine what New Orleans or NYC would be like without fossil fuels providing energy to pump out sewage and bring in 'clean' water?
If you are sincere about 'getting off of oil', please lead the way and keep us posted on how that is working for you. If it works for you, many will join you, if it works for them, many more will join them, and in 'no time' we will not be 'oil dependent'. Thanks for taking the lead.

OK, dumb fuck, what I propose is that all the petroleum producers in the US, and all oil imported, have a tax put on them and the imported oil, to pay for the damage done and loss of revenue in the fishing and tourist industry.

But keep on the ugly path you are on, minimilize the damage, insist that the people losing their livelihood are losers anyway. It will all be remembered in coming elections.

Time for a national policy aimed at terminating our use of fossil fuel, period. The technology exists to move to alternatives in a decade, if we decide to do so. And it will be far cheaper that the cost of continueing to depend on fossil fuels.

 

[Mr. H.]

...what I propose is that all the petroleum producers in the US, and all oil imported, have a tax put on them and the imported oil, to pay for the damage done and loss of revenue in the fishing and tourist industry.

Not a bad idea. Even a .1% assessment would generated tens of millions of dollars in a very short time.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Uh ... the spill didn't occur naturally, is 80 by 40 miles wide, and an ecological nightmare yet she wants to minimalize it like it's no biggie and it will just work itself out without our help ... in a few decades, of course.

It is no big deal, there are oil spills all the time.

Did you know the North sea is filled with off shore rigs?

That they are all over the gulf and more are coming?

In 91 Saddam dumped tons of it in the persian gulf and lit off even more, and it didn't take 'decades' to clean up.

The entire thread is obviously a gotcha attempt against people who want energy independance by using our own resources.

I can promise you the chinese won't be thinking safty first when they build the rigs for Cuba that will drill for our oil.

Either way someone will get at that oil, we can benifit from it or play our usual game of maximum stupid and hamstring ourselves because there might be an accident.

Another week at least of unabated Gulf oil geyser
By HOLBROOK MOHR and ALLEN G. BREED (AP) – 3 hours ago
VENICE, La. — Another week of oil pouring from the seafloor. That is the best-case scenario for the Gulf Coast, where dead sea turtles washed ashore and a massive rust-colored slick continued to swell from an uncontrolled gusher spewing into the water.
BP PLC was preparing a system never tried before at such depths to siphon away the geyser of crude from a blown-out well a mile under Gulf of Mexico waters. However, the plan to lower 74-ton, concrete-and-metal boxes being built to capture the oil and siphon it to a barge waiting at the surface will need at least another six to eight days to get it in place.
Crews continued to lay boom in what increasingly feels like a futile effort to slow down the spill, with all ideas to contain the flow failing so far.
"I've been in Pensacola and I am very, very concerned about this filth in the Gulf of Mexico," Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said at a fundraiser for his U.S. Senate campaign Sunday night. "It's not a spill, it's a flow. Envision sort of an underground volcano of oil and it keeps spewing over 200,000 gallons every single day, if not more."


The Associated Press: Another week at least of unabated Gulf oil geyser

BP will owe this state and its citizens actual damages, punitive damages, and compensation for all the R&D they get out of this at the expense of our coastline.

 

[gslack]

Hey gslack.

YOU'RE ON MY IGNORE LIST.


So when you post a message all I see is

gslack
This message is hidden because gslack is on your ignore list.

So there was no need to REPLY to my message telling you I was ignoring you - because I can't see it!


Stupid to the very end, aren't you?

HAHAHHAHA!

You are busted junior and yeah you better ignore me punk..... HAHAHAHAAHA!!!

Tells us all About FERMI Mr. astrophysicist!

You can ignore me all you want to buddy but your embarrassment will still be here....

FAKE! PHONY! POSER!

 

[gslack]

Xenophone, we have 3% of the worlds oil reserves, we use 25% of the worlds oil. Is there something that you don't understand about those figures? No matter how much we drill, we will not attain energy independence as long as petroleum is our main source of energy for transportation.

This oil spill is not only going to make a big differance, it is going to change the political climate concerning drilling offshore.

Oh look oldoscks using the old "we have 3% but we use 25%" crap......

How shocking!

Care to dilute some of the that bullshit with some other equally relevant numbers like much industry we create compared to how much others create..

Or how about much of that 25% we use is used to help other countries?

You propaganda junkies like to post crap like that but never do any of you post it with any perspective or honesty... Dude if you are so ashamed of America why do you live here? You and your green bullshit agenda like to point to American waste, American pollution, American greed, and any other bad part that exists in every other country as well, but you never want to put in proper perspective...

You say we pollute more, but you don't mention we stricter regulations and laws on environment than most other countries.

You say we are so greedy but do not mention how much America spends on charitable donations compared to other countries.

you say we are selfish and self serving, but you never mention much we do for other countries in the world...

And what worse, you do it using the rights, freedoms, and liberties handed to your sorry ass by people who actually had to work and fight to get them... you sit there and whine about how bad we all are, but without all the good we are you couldn't get away with it....

You are the type of person you claim we are. You are selfish; this whole green agenda has been lying from the start just to line the pockets of a few wealthy at the top and you support it because YOU like the idea behind YOU saving the planet.. You are self serving; YOU have lied, mislead, and bullshitted people on this and despite being caught red-handed doing it, you continue... You are greedy; the entire way you respond when you have no legitimate argument to save this, shows its about YOU and YOUR beliefs and has nothing at all to do with OURS.... And lastly, YOU are using the very things that make this country great to make this country seem like the devil....

Until you show some integrity in your posts, and some perspective to your propaganda, you are a hypocrite and another one of the many "protest to protest" punks we see every day....

 

[ABikerSailor]

The solution is simple........if the oil companies want to drill, they need to install a 500,000 dollar sonic shutoff valve.

It's what Norway requires for drilling off of their shores, and what they REQUIRE for safety purposes. Yes, there are ways that it can be done safely and efficiently.

However..........

Bush Jr. and Cheney lifted many of the restrictions for off shore drilling. One of them was taking out the requirement for sonic shutoff valves. I hardly think that saving a half a million on costs is worth the damage done if something goes wrong, like this one did.

If they are going to allow it, they're going to have to reinstate some of the restrictions. Period.

Besides, saving 500,000 to make 5.6 BILLION in profit is kind of a waste, when you consider the billions that cleaning this mess up is going to cost.