Southern history and the truth

[manifold]

But we don't exactly have an oppressive, tyrannical government...

not yet

Is there anything in particular that any of the founders said that leads you to believe states could opt out on a whim?

Give me liberty or give me death - Patrick Henry

 

[manifold]

Notwithstanding the American Revolution, the one crime the founders saw fit to include in the constitution was treason.

Why do you think that would be?

Benedict Arnold was still fresh on their minds.

 

[Ravi]

Give me liberty or give me death - Patrick Henry

Way to take a quote out of context, he was talking about something else entirely. lol

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

 

[Rogue 9]

Notwithstanding the American Revolution, the one crime the founders saw fit to include in the constitution was treason.

Why do you think that would be?

That's because of the Crown of England's habit of charging whoever it felt like with treason and tossing them in the Tower of London indefinitely. Treason was clearly defined in the Constitution so that it would have a clear legal definition and clearer standards of evidence from the get-go to prevent a U.S. government from doing the same thing.

 

[jillian]

He could be right but at this point, does it matter? Are there any states that seriously wish to opt out?

You'd have to ask the southerners. I'm betting Texas would want to be its own republic.

 

[BrianH]

You'd have to ask the southerners. I'm betting Texas would want to be its own republic.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. There are a few wackos that would think so. I believe we've all turned out fine in regards to the U.S. and the North winning the Civil War. I do think that every state should be able to support itself, food, energy, education. None of this getting food, toys, etc... from China and other states. I think states should be able to support themselves as if they were their own country.

 

[Ravi]

You'd have to ask the southerners. I'm betting Texas would want to be its own republic.

Moreso after a Dem becomes president.

 

[BrianH]

Moreso after a Dem becomes president.

Moreso after the Dems try to ban firearms...LOL

 

[M14 Shooter]

Moreso after the Dems try to ban firearms..

... again.

 

[Ravi]

Nah, they're only going to ban Republicans from owning them.

 

[Ravi]

... again.

When did they ever try to ban firearms?

Answer: Never

 

[M14 Shooter]

Nah, they're only going to ban Republicans from owning them.

I'm sure that if they could, they would.

 

[jillian]

Moreso after the Dems try to ban firearms...LOL

Like that's going to happen...

 

[BrianH]

Like that's going to happen...

 

[M14 Shooter]

When did they ever try to ban firearms?

You think they haven't?
They've done it on both the national and state level.

 

[Ravi]

You think they haven't?
They've done it on both the national and state level.

I know they haven't.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I know they haven't.

LOL
Tell me about the various national and state bans on 'assault weapons', and how they aren't examples of Dems banning guns.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Obviously only banning -some- guns doesnt actually ban guns, because you still have access to other guns.

You know, like banning criticism of the President isn't banning free speech, because you can still criticize everything else.

 

[Ravi]

Banning one type of weapon isn't "banning firearms."

 

[ReillyT]

You know, like banning criticism of the President isn't banning free speech, because you can still criticize everything else.

That is a fucking stupid analogy.