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And they're meaningless anywhere if you can drive to your local Black Market and buy a gun there. Further, how would America's laws with respect to this impact Indian reservations, where one might be able to purchase such an item? All I can say is, since you're in Chicago, just look at the history of prohibition and you might get some idea as to how prohibiting certain types of guns, or all guns, is going to work out for you. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work. Prohibition of guns CERTAINLY isn't going to work. I watched a movie the other day based on a true story about prohibition called Lawless, about the Bondurant boys. It was truly an interesting movie considering what is going on at the moment.
And they're meaningless anywhere if you can drive to your local Black Market and buy a gun there. Further, how would America's laws with respect to this impact Indian reservations, where one might be able to purchase such an item? All I can say is, since you're in Chicago, just look at the history of prohibition and you might get some idea as to how prohibiting certain types of guns, or all guns, is going to work out for you. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work. Prohibition of guns CERTAINLY isn't going to work. I watched a movie the other day based on a true story about prohibition called Lawless, about the Bondurant boys. It was truly an interesting movie considering what is going on at the moment.
Okay, that was a movie, and the police in that case were more corrupt than the crooks.
If we ever have a gun ban, the police will enforce it vigorously for one good reason. They don't want to be on the business end of one of those guns. They don't want their friends and family to be, either.
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A person who grew up as a child in the home of a democrat union member would have those values he was taught as a child.
Not really.
My dad was a Nixon Republican. Thought Nixon was the greatest thing ever.
Fact is, McVeigh fell in with the crazy people, and became one of these whacky government haters....
He's totally one of yours...
And they're meaningless anywhere if you can drive to your local Black Market and buy a gun there. Further, how would America's laws with respect to this impact Indian reservations, where one might be able to purchase such an item? All I can say is, since you're in Chicago, just look at the history of prohibition and you might get some idea as to how prohibiting certain types of guns, or all guns, is going to work out for you. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work. Prohibition of guns CERTAINLY isn't going to work. I watched a movie the other day based on a true story about prohibition called Lawless, about the Bondurant boys. It was truly an interesting movie considering what is going on at the moment.
Okay, that was a movie, and the police in that case were more corrupt than the crooks.
If we ever have a gun ban, the police will enforce it vigorously for one good reason.
They don't want to be on the business end of one of those guns. They don't want their friends and family to be, either.
Yeah.....Im sure nobody buys assault rifles to look like Billy bad ass at the range, its all pragmatism based reasoning...uhhh..huh.
Since leaving the Corps I've never been on a rifle range slick, though I shoot at least weekly, and I own an AR-15 along with an AK-47, so you're bs is exposed as just that, uninformed bs.
That's a shame
Be prepared to lose them
There are 270 million firearms in the hands of about 70 million people. If the government up and made gun ownership against the law, demanding that the people turn in their weapons, a fair percentage of those owners would initially refuse to comply and least 10% of those would not only refuse, but fight. That would be about 7 million armed and fighting citizens. The resulting bloodshed on both sides would make any school shootings that happened, pale in comparison. I'm one of those 10%, should any attempt be made to take the weapons away.
I own several guns, including one that would be considered an assault weapon. I spent a career in the military and am quite proficient with all of them. I have never, repeat, never, had a desire to go out and shoot up schools, restaurants, or any other establishment. I've played countless hours with violent video games.....and still, no desire to shoot up any establishment. I will defend my right to own my firearms. That's why I served in the military (for the right to bear arms and free speech).
It's not the gun. It's the mentality of the person with it and in this last case in Connecticut, the mentality of his enabler. Mrs. Lanza knew her son had mental issues and still didn't have the common sense to keep guns out of the house. In a sense, she's more to blame than her mentally-ill son.
It's a shame really
Given the choice of giving up one gun you are willing to give up the security of your family as well as the life you have built
Shows where your priorities are
Family....guns
Family....guns
Which shall I choose?
I choose GUNS
Because of my family and their security I choose guns.There are 270 million firearms in the hands of about 70 million people. If the government up and made gun ownership against the law, demanding that the people turn in their weapons, a fair percentage of those owners would initially refuse to comply and least 10% of those would not only refuse, but fight. That would be about 7 million armed and fighting citizens. The resulting bloodshed on both sides would make any school shootings that happened, pale in comparison. I'm one of those 10%, should any attempt be made to take the weapons away.
I own several guns, including one that would be considered an assault weapon. I spent a career in the military and am quite proficient with all of them. I have never, repeat, never, had a desire to go out and shoot up schools, restaurants, or any other establishment. I've played countless hours with violent video games.....and still, no desire to shoot up any establishment. I will defend my right to own my firearms. That's why I served in the military (for the right to bear arms and free speech).
It's not the gun. It's the mentality of the person with it and in this last case in Connecticut, the mentality of his enabler. Mrs. Lanza knew her son had mental issues and still didn't have the common sense to keep guns out of the house. In a sense, she's more to blame than her mentally-ill son.
It's a shame really
Given the choice of giving up one gun you are willing to give up the security of your family as well as the life you have built
Shows where your priorities are
Family....guns
Family....guns
Which shall I choose?
I choose GUNS
He's just stupid to think he';s being protected by the police.There are 270 million firearms in the hands of about 70 million people. If the government up and made gun ownership against the law, demanding that the people turn in their weapons, a fair percentage of those owners would initially refuse to comply and least 10% of those would not only refuse, but fight. That would be about 7 million armed and fighting citizens. The resulting bloodshed on both sides would make any school shootings that happened, pale in comparison. I'm one of those 10%, should any attempt be made to take the weapons away.
I own several guns, including one that would be considered an assault weapon. I spent a career in the military and am quite proficient with all of them. I have never, repeat, never, had a desire to go out and shoot up schools, restaurants, or any other establishment. I've played countless hours with violent video games.....and still, no desire to shoot up any establishment. I will defend my right to own my firearms. That's why I served in the military (for the right to bear arms and free speech).
It's not the gun. It's the mentality of the person with it and in this last case in Connecticut, the mentality of his enabler. Mrs. Lanza knew her son had mental issues and still didn't have the common sense to keep guns out of the house. In a sense, she's more to blame than her mentally-ill son.
It's a shame really
Given the choice of giving up one gun you are willing to give up the security of your family as well as the life you have built
Shows where your priorities are
Family....guns
Family....guns
Which shall I choose?
I choose GUNS
The fact that you would NOT fight to defend the Constitutional rights of your fellow Americans marks you as a coward and a traitorous scumbag. As for you whining about your family's "security", Ben Franklin said it best; "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". It's not Family-guns, it's all about oppression-Freedom.
Those willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither.
MOst of the industrialized world restricts gun ownership, and they are just as free as we are.
Maybe more so.
For instance in Japan, where they have 11 gun murders compared to our 9,158, women can walk around big cities at night unaccompanied.
MOst of the industrialized world restricts gun ownership, and they are just as free as we are.
Maybe more so.
For instance in Japan, where they have 11 gun murders compared to our 9,158, women can walk around big cities at night unaccompanied.
Japan has some of the highest corruption stats of any nation, and their peole are subservient. I know that doesnt bother you, being subservient, but thank God for most Americans it is a BIG issue. When some criminal approaches a man and demands money in Japan, most Japanese think they are morally bound to give it to him (and I know Democrats love that idea). Japanese women will not scream out or call for help when some asshole is trying to molest them in public, for the most part. They feel too ashamed to.
Yes, you would thrive in that kind of place, JoeBlow, but almost none of the rest of us not in a union want to live there.
As to American crime, remove from those stats the American cities and states with tight gun control laws, and we are safer than any country in Europe.
the only reason we have high crime rates is because of fascists like you and idiots like Starkey.
Pure bullshit.
10 Most Violent States In The U.S.: The Institute For Economics And Peace
Most violent states
1. Louisiana
2. Tennessee
3. Nevada
4. Florida
5. Alabama
6. Texas
7. Arkansas
8. Oklahoma
9. South Carolina
10. Maryland
Some Simple FACTS About Disarming Americans
Bring your "A" game.
That is all.
First, lets look at the most recent track record, the Afghanistan War.
Afghanistan is a nation of a fairly backward population of 30 million who have only recently begun to modernise at all. The insurgency there consists of about 25,000 Taliban.
The US has put about 100,000 troops there alongside about 450,000 fully trained and equipped Afghan national forces. One soldier for every 60 AFghans, roughly.
So, outnumbering the Taliban nearly 20 to 1 and fighting for nearly twelve long years, we have been bled financially, morally and physically to the point that regardless of the likely collapse of the freindly regime, we are pulling out no matter what by end of next year.
So the taliban will win and any honest analysis would show this.
But here in the US, we have well over 300 million people who are tech savy and who own more than 270 million firearms and the ratio of Americans to US standing forces is like one to a hundred. And Americans have a highly trained cadre of experienced military that many of whom would be very effective at fighting a partisan war against a President that most of them hate and despise.
Anyone who cant see the dangers frought with a civil war in such a context is either ignorant, stupid or a fucking traitor who wants to see our nation destroyed from the ground up.
But here in the US, we have well over 300 million people who are tech savy and who own more than 270 million firearms and the ratio of Americans to US standing forces is like one to a hundred. And Americans have a highly trained cadre of experienced military that many of whom would be very effective at fighting a partisan war against a President that most of them hate and despise.
Anyone who cant see the dangers frought with a civil war in such a context is either ignorant, stupid or a fucking traitor who wants to see our nation destroyed from the ground up.
I'm not sure what the theory is here. That we should be armed, to prevent this president from doing what? That you think a Civil war will happen?
Dude, I didn't let the prediction of the Mayan apocalypse effect my political decisions, and I'm not about to let any far fetched civil war scenario do so either. The question on guns is, at any foreseeable future, a question of safety, criminals, children.
People thinking they will take up arms against the government (Timothy McVeigh?), well good luck. I wouldn't recommend it.
But here in the US, we have well over 300 million people who are tech savy and who own more than 270 million firearms and the ratio of Americans to US standing forces is like one to a hundred. And Americans have a highly trained cadre of experienced military that many of whom would be very effective at fighting a partisan war against a President that most of them hate and despise.
Anyone who cant see the dangers frought with a civil war in such a context is either ignorant, stupid or a fucking traitor who wants to see our nation destroyed from the ground up.
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A person who grew up as a child in the home of a democrat union member would have those values he was taught as a child.
Not really.
My dad was a Nixon Republican. Thought Nixon was the greatest thing ever.
Fact is, McVeigh fell in with the crazy people, and became one of these whacky government haters....
He's totally one of yours...
Fuck you, McVeigh was a racist fascist just like the Democratic Party leadership.
First, lets look at the most recent track record, the Afghanistan War.
Afghanistan is a nation of a fairly backward population of 30 million who have only recently begun to modernise at all. The insurgency there consists of about 25,000 Taliban.
The US has put about 100,000 troops there alongside about 450,000 fully trained and equipped Afghan national forces. One soldier for every 60 AFghans, roughly.
So, outnumbering the Taliban nearly 20 to 1 and fighting for nearly twelve long years, we have been bled financially, morally and physically to the point that regardless of the likely collapse of the freindly regime, we are pulling out no matter what by end of next year.
So the taliban will win and any honest analysis would show this.
But here in the US, we have well over 300 million people who are tech savy and who own more than 270 million firearms and the ratio of Americans to US standing forces is like one to a hundred. And Americans have a highly trained cadre of experienced military that many of whom would be very effective at fighting a partisan war against a President that most of them hate and despise.
Anyone who cant see the dangers frought with a civil war in such a context is either ignorant, stupid or a fucking traitor who wants to see our nation destroyed from the ground up.
Heres the thing.........the gun grabbers on here who loath the 2nd Ammendment trust the government implicitly. They believe government is noble at all times...........never stop once to consider the danger of a strong central government. These are the people who read Plato, Hobbes, Moore et. al.......10.......20......30 years ago and became romanticized with their philosophies of one big happy family with a strong central government and perfect levels of equality. Many conservative people on here were, like me, equally affected when reading the social philosophers.........sure sounded pretty profound. The difference is, those with a conservative mind stepped back and said, "Wait.......wtf.........this shit cant work in the real world!!"
Mostly though, there is one common theme in the gun grabber mentality: these are people who are ruled by their emotions. There as a perpetual urge to do the right thing with the cornerstone being good intentions. Results are not important. To them, banning guns is a zero sum game. Considerations for necessary tradeoffs just do not happen with the thinking of these people........as long as it feels right. Always has been fascinating to me...........their way of connecting the dots.
Not really.
My dad was a Nixon Republican. Thought Nixon was the greatest thing ever.
Fact is, McVeigh fell in with the crazy people, and became one of these whacky government haters....
He's totally one of yours...
Fuck you, McVeigh was a racist fascist just like the Democratic Party leadership.
McVeigh was a registered Republican.
Not really.
My dad was a Nixon Republican. Thought Nixon was the greatest thing ever.
Fact is, McVeigh fell in with the crazy people, and became one of these whacky government haters....
He's totally one of yours...
Fuck you, McVeigh was a racist fascist just like the Democratic Party leadership.
McVeigh was a registered Republican.
