Some cops should not be cops.

Why is refusal to comply when unarmed a capital offense?

Because the perpetrator makes it so!

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You failed. I specified unarmed. Anyone who comes to a gunfight with a bb gun gets what they deserve. Why was the man who was swatted recently executed on his own front porch, why was the septegenarian homeowner executed in his garage because he was investigating prowlers (police who had the wrong address and were prowling around his house)? There are far too many innocent people executed by illtrained unaccountable police in the US.
 
He complied with the officer's request ... eventually.
It aint right.

When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?
He complied with the officer's request ... eventually.
It aint right.

When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?


That guy was a jerk and people wonder why police shoot people .



Quit being obnoxious assholes.


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He complied with the officer's request ... eventually.
It aint right.

When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?
He complied with the officer's request ... eventually.
It aint right.

When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?


That guy was a jerk and people wonder why police shoot people .



Quit being obnoxious assholes.


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No one gets shot for being obnoxious. They get shot for presenting (or giving the appearance of presenting) a deadly risk to police. A situation that is very easy to avoid.
 
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific, that response for instance
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?


That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.

As I said please be specific, that response, means what? Mysterious answers are just that mysterious and and a poor attempt at deflection. So if you want to continue this conversation say what you mean.
 
It aint right.

When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?
It aint right.

When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?


That guy was a jerk and people wonder why police shoot people .



Quit being obnoxious assholes.


.

No one gets shot for being obnoxious. They get shot for presenting (or giving the appearance of presenting) a deadly risk to police. A situation that is very easy to avoid.


It should be perfectly legal for a cop to shoot someone in the foot for being an obnoxious asshole.


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We need to stop making excuses for poorly trained or simply bad cops. Law enforcement officers have extremely difficult jobs and require emotionally balanced intelligent men and woman to perform their highly important jobs. Allowing substandard individuals to hold these positions is a blight on society.
 
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific, that response for instance
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?


That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.

As I said please be specific, that response, means what? Mysterious answers are just that mysterious and and a poor attempt at deflection. So if you want to continue this conversation say what you mean.

It's not mysterious (I believe you meant to say esoteric) if you know the meaning of the word obtuse. The fact that you continue to be coy, circuitous, circumspect, evasive, or similarly dense, doesn't do your argument any purpose.
 
When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?
When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.

It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?


That guy was a jerk and people wonder why police shoot people .



Quit being obnoxious assholes.


.

No one gets shot for being obnoxious. They get shot for presenting (or giving the appearance of presenting) a deadly risk to police. A situation that is very easy to avoid.


It should be perfectly legal for a cop to shoot someone in the foot for being an obnoxious asshole.


.

Shooting people, even in the foot, creates a lot of paperwork. Smiling while you give them a ticket and then saying, 'Have a nice day', is almost as gratifying and incurs a lot fewer procedural headaches.
 
It aint right.

When an officer issues a request, it's for his own safety, and yours. Comply with the request and leave it to the courts to decide who was wrong and who was right.

Don't goad a police officer.
I don't believe the cop didn't know it was a camera. I hope he gets what he deserves. I on LE side, but not this.

Never make a decision based on one side of a video. I don't know what the officer saw. I don't know what happened leading up to the confrontation. I don't know who the man with the camera is and why he's being so uncooperative with police.

I do know that he refused a lawful request from a police officer and that police officer took steps to protect himself,

It may turn out that the officer was in the wrong or it may turn out the officer did what was right in the situation. That is not for me to decide based on the limited evidence presented. It's up to the courts to make based on a full and open account of the facts of the case.
You're right, but it looks bad. Perhaps there will be court.

I testify in court fairly regularly. There is usually a pile of evidence on the table relating to the guilt of the accused. The defense will often say that evidence is misleading or inconclusive. The decision on whether the evidence proves guilt or innocence will often depend on which side is more believable to the court.

I've seen more than a couple of cases that look like a slam dunk go down in flames because of a lack of confidence in evidence or witness testimony.
Had several cases where the Radar was wacked out but several tickets had been given out. In court I had to admit that the tickets were not valid. After that I quit using the damm things. Nothing but money makers anyway.
 
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific, that response for instance
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?


That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.

As I said please be specific, that response, means what? Mysterious answers are just that mysterious and and a poor attempt at deflection. So if you want to continue this conversation say what you mean.

It's not mysterious (I believe you meant to say esoteric) if you know the meaning of the word obtuse. The fact that you continue to be coy, circuitous, circumspect, evasive, or similarly dense, doesn't do your argument any purpose.

No I meant what I said. Trying to puti words in my mouth will fail. You still have not been specific and it appears you were just trying to deflect the conversation with your assertion. Unfortunately police today are illtrained, stressed by superiors,
many are unsuited to be police officers and worst of all many seem to have developed an us against them attitude towards the general population. You have approached me with an I am superior to you attitude and let me assure you,you are not superior to anyone. Perhaps you might question why there are law abiding
citizens who distrust, are afraid of and avoid the police.
 
It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?
It is quite difficult to press suit from the cemetary. Police must be restrained by being held accoutable for their actions. When I was growing up the police were held in some respect today not so much.

Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?


That guy was a jerk and people wonder why police shoot people .



Quit being obnoxious assholes.


.

No one gets shot for being obnoxious. They get shot for presenting (or giving the appearance of presenting) a deadly risk to police. A situation that is very easy to avoid.


It should be perfectly legal for a cop to shoot someone in the foot for being an obnoxious asshole.


.

Shooting people, even in the foot, creates a lot of paperwork. Smiling while you give them a ticket and then saying, 'Have a nice day', is almost as gratifying and incurs a lot fewer procedural headaches.

Oh the compassion writing a ticket is less work than shooting someone but it is all the same in the end. Just a real tough guy.
 
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific, that response for instance
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?

That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.
Please be specific in what way am I being obtuse?


That response represents an ever-widening angle. You're flirting with 180 degrees.

As I said please be specific, that response, means what? Mysterious answers are just that mysterious and and a poor attempt at deflection. So if you want to continue this conversation say what you mean.

It's not mysterious (I believe you meant to say esoteric) if you know the meaning of the word obtuse. The fact that you continue to be coy, circuitous, circumspect, evasive, or similarly dense, doesn't do your argument any purpose.

No I meant what I said. Trying to puti words in my mouth will fail. You still have not been specific and it appears you were just trying to deflect the conversation with your assertion. Unfortunately police today are illtrained, stressed by superiors,
many are unsuited to be police officers and worst of all many seem to have developed an us against them attitude towards the general population. You have approached me with an I am superior to you attitude and let me assure you,you are not superior to anyone. Perhaps you might question why there are law abiding
citizens who distrust, are afraid of and avoid the police.

There are citizens, law-abiding and otherwise, who, for reasons of their own, distrust or are afraid of police. It doesn't change the fact that regardless of their fear or distrust, they are required, by law, to comply with the lawful directions of police.

Police don't make that decision, elected law-makers do.
 
Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?
Police are held accountable.

If you refuse to comply with the officers, why should you be surprised if you get shot?


That guy was a jerk and people wonder why police shoot people .



Quit being obnoxious assholes.


.

No one gets shot for being obnoxious. They get shot for presenting (or giving the appearance of presenting) a deadly risk to police. A situation that is very easy to avoid.


It should be perfectly legal for a cop to shoot someone in the foot for being an obnoxious asshole.


.

Shooting people, even in the foot, creates a lot of paperwork. Smiling while you give them a ticket and then saying, 'Have a nice day', is almost as gratifying and incurs a lot fewer procedural headaches.

Oh the compassion writing a ticket is less work than shooting someone but it is all the same in the end. Just a real tough guy.

There is a thing in policing known as the 'attitude test'. Simply put, a persons attitude will determine how they will be treated by police. Legally, a police officer has discretion on punishment for infringement and some misdemeanor charges. This allows a police officer to use their own judgement as to whether the state will punish them for their transgression or for which they will receive a warning. Some people think that means cops will punish those who meet a policeman's inquiries with attitude. But, what it actually means, is that a person who is cooperative with police may very well be penitent in their actions is someone not likely to purposely re-commit the offense. Giving them a fine or a summons would be counter-productive.

However, someone who gives a police officer attitude is saying that, 'regardless of what I've done, I don't believe you have the right to stop me or do anything about it'.

In that case, giving a fine or a summons is really the only way to get through to them that regardless of what they believe, the state says otherwise. If a warning won't work, maybe a fine will. If they refuse to pay the fine, or continue to stubbornly re-offend, it could eventually lead to jail. This isn't a decision that police make, it's a decision that every single person who ever went to jail for an offense made for themselves.
 
American cops are ok:thup:

But when they start hiring....Islamic cops....you know...or those latin american gangs? to be police?:cuckoo:

wakey wakey American cops....please wakey wakey

don't let scum in

America for Americans OK?
 

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