Some citizens want those sentenced to death to really suffer.... read how it happened

[Robert W]

In this matter, it happened in America in 1916.

This 17 year old male raped a married woman and murdered her using a hammer. He admitted all of this. But the locals who were there for the trial had revenge on their minds and the way they killed him meets the test of worst America execution by hanging. But it gets worse. If you can't handle this kind of thing, please do not read the story but it is in Wikipedia.

Lynching of Jesse Washington - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JGalt]

Bet he didn't re-offend.

If punishment was meant to deter crime, I'd have to say it worked in that case.

 

[Robert W]

Bet he didn't re-offend.

If punishment was meant to deter crime, I'd have to say it worked in that case.

I would imagine that after he hammered the poor raped woman to death, they did not care one bit that he also was made to suffer a lot.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

These kinds of torturous acts were very common among the native American tribes. The torturing there done by women. No doubt this is where the townspeople got the idea.

The killer was treated appropriately. Apologies to descendants is absolutely uncalled for.

 

[WinterBorn]

A lynching is never justice.

He gets a trial and a legit sentencing. Then he can be executed by professionals.

 

[Robert W]

A lynching is never justice.

He gets a trial and a legit sentencing. Then he can be executed by professionals.

I want to be smarter every day. Explain your thinking for us please.

The end result either way for the 17 year old rapist/murderer is he dies. Sure when alive he suffers. Nobody guarantees us that when we die, we will not also suffer. He got a legitimate trial. He got his sentence carefully in a court of law.

Why can't the public that is served by the courts deal with the execution?

 

[WinterBorn]

I want to be smarter every day. Explain your thinking for us please.

The end result either way for the 17 year old rapist/murderer is he dies. Sure when alive he suffers. Nobody guarantees us that when we die, we will not also suffer. He got a legitimate trial. He got his sentence carefully in a court of law.

Why can't the public that is served by the courts deal with the execution?

The 8th amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment. I think this qualifies.

Yes, he had a trial and was sentenced by a judge. But after that? It was not the same.
from the Wikipedia link:
"Court officers approached Washington to escort him away, but were pushed aside by a surge of spectators, who seized Washington and dragged him outside.[24] Washington initially fought back, biting one man, but was soon beaten.[26] A chain was placed around his neck and he was dragged toward city hall by a growing mob; on the way downtown, he was stripped, stabbed, and repeatedly beaten with blunt objects. By the time he was taken to city hall, a group had prepared wood for a bonfire next to a tree in front of the building.[24] Washington, semiconscious and covered in blood, was doused with oil, hanged from the tree by a chain, and lowered to the ground.[27] Members of the crowd cut off his fingers, toes, and genitals.[24] The fire was lit and Washington was repeatedly raised and lowered into the flames until he burned to death."


That is not what our justice system is setup to do. Violent vigilante justice is mob violence. And the executioners are self-appointed assholes, interested in inflicting as much pain as possible.

 

[JGalt]

I would imagine that after he hammered the poor raped woman to death, they did not care one bit that he also was made to suffer a lot.

You can bet that there was someone who saw that or heard about it, and decided they weren't going to rape or kill any women.

 

[Robert W]

You can bet that there was someone who saw that or heard about it, and decided they weren't going to rape or kill any women.

This person who was hung and burned to death freely admitted in court he raped her and murdered her. This is why the officials after he died decided not to prosecute anybody else.

 

[Robert W]

The 8th amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment. I think this qualifies.

Yes, he had a trial and was sentenced by a judge. But after that? It was not the same.
from the Wikipedia link:
"Court officers approached Washington to escort him away, but were pushed aside by a surge of spectators, who seized Washington and dragged him outside.[24] Washington initially fought back, biting one man, but was soon beaten.[26] A chain was placed around his neck and he was dragged toward city hall by a growing mob; on the way downtown, he was stripped, stabbed, and repeatedly beaten with blunt objects. By the time he was taken to city hall, a group had prepared wood for a bonfire next to a tree in front of the building.[24] Washington, semiconscious and covered in blood, was doused with oil, hanged from the tree by a chain, and lowered to the ground.[27] Members of the crowd cut off his fingers, toes, and genitals.[24] The fire was lit and Washington was repeatedly raised and lowered into the flames until he burned to death."


That is not what our justice system is setup to do. Violent vigilante justice is mob violence. And the executioners are self-appointed assholes, interested in inflicting as much pain as possible.

First you have excellent points. I did not start this topic to try to fight posters. I am truly interested in who here sees it from the female victims point vs who sees it through the point of the youth who was hung and murdered. So with that, let's carry on...

What did the woman do to deserve his severe cruel and unusual punishment? Seems what happened to him was no worse than what he did to the woman. Anway, the law decided not to punish those who hung him and burned him to death. Cooked his goose is how I see it.

I have often thought that one ways to cut down murder is to be very cruel to them. I would not be cruel to a thief or a person who did not kill a human.

 

[WinterBorn]

This person who was hung and burned to death freely admitted in court he raped her and murdered her. This is why the officials after he died decided not to prosecute anybody else.

I suppose that is possible. But in 1916 it is far more likely that a black teenager was lynched and nobody cared.

And I am not doubting his guilt. But I do doubt he confessed as they say he did.

A 17 year old black kid in a Texas jail? Think he was treated as the US Constitution requires?

 

[WinterBorn]

First you have excellent points. I did not start this topic to try to fight posters. I am truly interested in who here sees it from the female victims point vs who sees it through the point of the youth who was hung and murdered. So with that, let's carry on...

What did the woman do to deserve his severe cruel and unusual punishment? Seems what happened to him was no worse than what he did to the woman. Anway, the law decided not to punish those who hung him and burned him to death. Cooked his goose is how I see it.

I have often thought that one ways to cut down murder is to be very cruel to them. I would not be cruel to a thief or a person who did not kill a human.

She did nothing to warrant the crime, as far as I know.

But we, as a society, cannot be bloodthirsty animals, like criminals can be.

 

[JGalt]

This person who was hung and burned to death freely admitted in court he raped her and murdered her. This is why the officials after he died decided not to prosecute anybody else.

What I meant was that after seeing how the rapist/murderer was dealt with, you can bet that at least one person thought to themselves "Fuck that. I sure as hell won't be raping or murdering any women anytime soon.."

Punishment is supposed to be a deterrent to crime and in this case, it probably was.