Old Rocks
Diamond Member
Then why do you and yours keep trying to tell us that CO2 can't lead temperature?
Well, I don't recall telling you that.
Actually, I'm more interested in the science.
Then do some. For the first time. Surprise us. Show that you're something more than a cultist pasting a list and saying "but have you proven it's not one of these, huh, have you?".
That's not how science works. If you propose that something is the true cause of warming, you need to support your theory. AGW science has supported their theory admirably for decades running now. You don't get that kind of credibility unless you earn it. So earn it, by doing by some science.
All those things you listed have been looked at, in detail. Orbital parameters are well understood, and their combined effects should be causing a slow cooling now. Ocean currents don't cause global warming or cooling, they just put noise on the signal, changing whether heat goes into the ocean or the air. Solar output has been steady or declining slightly, yet we have warming. Any claiming that such things haven't been examined is engaging in conspiracy talk.
Its hard to figure out what science you're trying to teach me through all your useless attempts to get a rise out of me. Would you like to try again or do you just want to troll?
From the American Institute of Physics, the largest Scientific Society in the world;
The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
OK, a lot of reading, but you stated that you wanted someone to show you the science. And science is not a simple one line bumper sticker.
I know its not a one liner. That's why I'm waiting to have an in depth discussion about the topics. It doesn't have to be all at once.
If you wish to have a discussion concerning the warming, you really need to have done the research concerning the science behind the warming. There are many, many discussions out there concerning this in peer reviewed literature. Even one in the PNAS that blames CFCs for the warming. None that are serious that deny the warming. That is left to morons on this board.
The physics of the warming was established before the Civil War. The first real quantification of the effects of the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere was done in 1896. The first continous measurement of CO2 increase in the atmosphere was done in the early '50s. There are reams of articles since this became an issue in peer reviewed journals. I know because I was first introduced to the subject in a geology class in the mid-60's. And I have watched the regression of the glaciers in the Rockies, Cascades, and Sierra Nevadas.