Solar Output Not CO2 Drives the Climate.

[ralfy]

The problem isn't that solar power is the driver, it's that CO2 has a forcing factor. Also,

Sun climate moving in opposite directions

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

Are you giving a statement or asking a question?

 

[Politico]

yes, we have to ask ourselves why the mileage really hasn't come up since the 70s. ..hmmm let me see... cause oil barrens/kings and all their cronies in power of government industry don't want to take a hit to their sales.

LOL sorry. Oil barons (what is this 1860) want to make money of course. But they can't top you from inventing something. And if cars stay stagnant it is because of you fools who keep buying them. Worse yet these Millennial tools who are too lazy to look backwards or park. Who want a tv in every headrest and a computer for Twitter in the dash. NAV because maps are hard. Foot waving auto tailgates. Auto folding seats and the list goes on and on. This stuff isn't run by magic pixie dust. All these useless toys add weight. The average car weighs over 2 tons now! That is 1,000 pounds heavier than my aforementioned car that actually has steel in it and cast iron block that doesn't warp the minute it gets too hot.

 

[Crick]

The problem isn't that solar power is the driver, it's that CO2 has a forcing factor. Also,

Sun climate moving in opposite directions

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

You fools and your memes.

You won't find causation without some correlation. And what cause do you have with better correlation than CO2? Billy Boy's magic magnetic waves?

 

[skookerasbil]

Well this much we know for sure............there is zero proof of CO2 having anywhere near a significant impact on the climate.

 

[jc456]

The problem isn't that solar power is the driver, it's that CO2 has a forcing factor. Also,

Sun climate moving in opposite directions

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

You fools and your memes.

You won't find causation without some correlation. And what cause do you have with better correlation than CO2? Billy Boy's magic magnetic waves?

And just remember, there isn't proof of co2 causing anything. Thanks for playing.

 

[jc456]

The problem isn't that solar power is the driver, it's that CO2 has a forcing factor. Also,

Sun climate moving in opposite directions

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

You fools and your memes.

You won't find causation without some correlation. And what cause do you have with better correlation than CO2? Billy Boy's magic magnetic waves?

What are those particles again and where do they come from, hmmmmmm, does your stupid follow you everyday? Lol

 

[mamooth]

jc, the sun does not send magnetic waves out to the earth, period. You and Billy are nuts for claiming that it does. That's not a matter of opinion. You're just wrong. Totally wrong. Hilariously wrong. Billy made up some stupid nonsense, and you parroted him, because that's what you do.

But since the two of you have taken your kookery this far, you may as well keep going. Other deniers have embraced The Electric Universe Theory. You should too. If you're going to reject modern physics, don't just go partway, go all out!

Electric Universe theory

 

[westwall]

The problem isn't that solar power is the driver, it's that CO2 has a forcing factor. Also,

Sun climate moving in opposite directions

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

Are you giving a statement or asking a question?

I am merely repeating a fundamental scientific fact. The whole AGW meme is built on correlation. Now that CO2 levels have risen to "extraordinary highs" and there has been no concurrent increase in temps, you no longer even have that rickety leg to stand on.

 

[westwall]

The problem isn't that solar power is the driver, it's that CO2 has a forcing factor. Also,

Sun climate moving in opposite directions

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

You fools and your memes.

You won't find causation without some correlation. And what cause do you have with better correlation than CO2? Billy Boy's magic magnetic waves?

Proving yet again that you have no clue how science actually works. There is causation.....from whatever agent, and occasionally there is correlation. The most relevant one being with solar activity and global temps. The temps rise and fall and the one factor that does seem to correlate is solar activity. This does not imply causation however. It is merely a data point.

 

[westwall]

jc, the sun does not send magnetic waves out to the earth, period. You and Billy are nuts for claiming that it does. That's not a matter of opinion. You're just wrong. Totally wrong. Hilariously wrong. Billy made up some stupid nonsense, and you parroted him, because that's what you do.

But since the two of you have taken your kookery this far, you may as well keep going. Other deniers have embraced The Electric Universe Theory. You should too. If you're going to reject modern physics, don't just go partway, go all out!

Electric Universe theory

It don't? Better tell the boys at NASA that.....

What is a geomagnetic storm?

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An illustration of Earth's magnetic field shielding our planet from solar particles. Credit: NASA/GSFC/SVS
The Earth's magnetosphere is created by our magnetic field and protects us from most of the particles the sun emits. When a CME or high-speed stream arrives at Earth it buffets the magnetosphere. If the arriving solar magnetic field is directed southward it interacts strongly with the oppositely oriented magnetic field of the Earth. The Earth's magnetic field is then peeled open like an onion allowing energetic solar wind particles to stream down the field lines to hit the atmosphere over the poles. At the Earth's surface a magnetic storm is seen as a rapid drop in the Earth's magnetic field strength. This decrease lasts about 6 to 12 hours, after which the magnetic field gradually recovers over a period of several days.

The Sun-Earth Connection Heliophysics Solar Storm and Space Weather - Frequently Asked Questions NASA

 

[jc456]

jc, the sun does not send magnetic waves out to the earth, period. You and Billy are nuts for claiming that it does. That's not a matter of opinion. You're just wrong. Totally wrong. Hilariously wrong. Billy made up some stupid nonsense, and you parroted him, because that's what you do.

But since the two of you have taken your kookery this far, you may as well keep going. Other deniers have embraced The Electric Universe Theory. You should too. If you're going to reject modern physics, don't just go partway, go all out!

Electric Universe theory

It don't? Better tell the boys at NASA that.....

What is a geomagnetic storm?

› View larger
An illustration of Earth's magnetic field shielding our planet from solar particles. Credit: NASA/GSFC/SVS
The Earth's magnetosphere is created by our magnetic field and protects us from most of the particles the sun emits. When a CME or high-speed stream arrives at Earth it buffets the magnetosphere. If the arriving solar magnetic field is directed southward it interacts strongly with the oppositely oriented magnetic field of the Earth. The Earth's magnetic field is then peeled open like an onion allowing energetic solar wind particles to stream down the field lines to hit the atmosphere over the poles. At the Earth's surface a magnetic storm is seen as a rapid drop in the Earth's magnetic field strength. This decrease lasts about 6 to 12 hours, after which the magnetic field gradually recovers over a period of several days.

The Sun-Earth Connection Heliophysics Solar Storm and Space Weather - Frequently Asked Questions NASA

And are what cause the northern and southern lights.

 

[mamooth]

It don't? Better tell the boys at NASA that.....

A CME is not the "magnetic waves" that Billy claims is a regular unmeasured part of TSI that causes the observed warming. But nice try. That was one of your better cherrypick attempts.

You also handwave away all the directly observed data confirming AGW theory, and instead pretend it's built only on correlation. I guess you have to, since your conspiracy theory falls apart if you don't discard all the data that contradicts it.

Me, I'll stick with something you've probably never heard of, the scientific method.

So, what's your current theory to explain the observed warming and other physical changes we directly measure, and what predictions does that theory make?

 

[westwall]

It don't? Better tell the boys at NASA that.....

A CME is not the "magnetic waves" that Billy claims is a regular unmeasured part of TSI that causes the observed warming. But nice try. That was one of your better cherrypick attempts.

You also handwave away all the directly observed data confirming AGW theory, and instead pretend it's built only on correlation. I guess you have to, since your conspiracy theory falls apart if you don't discard all the data that contradicts it.

Me, I'll stick with something you've probably never heard of, the scientific method.

So, what's your current theory to explain the observed warming and other physical changes we directly measure, and what predictions does that theory make?

I follow the scientific method. You wipe your ass with it every single moment of every single day. That is patently obvious.

 

[Crick]

Show us how you follow the scientific method and how it leads you wherever they hell you're at.

 

[jc456]

Show us how you follow the scientific method and how it leads you wherever they hell you're at.

Let's see yours, seems more interesting.

 

[Billy_Bob]

It don't? Better tell the boys at NASA that.....

A CME is not the "magnetic waves" that Billy claims is a regular unmeasured part of TSI that causes the observed warming. But nice try. That was one of your better cherrypick attempts.

You also handwave away all the directly observed data confirming AGW theory, and instead pretend it's built only on correlation. I guess you have to, since your conspiracy theory falls apart if you don't discard all the data that contradicts it.

Me, I'll stick with something you've probably never heard of, the scientific method.

So, what's your current theory to explain the observed warming and other physical changes we directly measure, and what predictions does that theory make?

Why dont you stop... your making yourself look really really stupid. you haven't got a dam clue about what your spewing..

 

[ralfy]

The problem isn't that solar power is the driver, it's that CO2 has a forcing factor. Also,

Sun climate moving in opposite directions

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

Are you giving a statement or asking a question?

I am merely repeating a fundamental scientific fact. The whole AGW meme is built on correlation. Now that CO2 levels have risen to "extraordinary highs" and there has been no concurrent increase in temps, you no longer even have that rickety leg to stand on.

There's no "AGW meme."

The science is based on correlation and other factors as CO2 has a forcing and feedback factor.

Finally, skeptics have confirmed what science groups have said through an independent study:

Bombshell Koch-Funded Study Finds Global Warming Is Real On The High End And Essentially All Due To Carbon Pollution ThinkProgress

 

[Billy_Bob]

There is no correlation or forcing factor... None... In fact there is a dampening effect as compared to the LOG of CO2 in the lab. The increase we should see from CO2 alone is cut down by 80%. The last 100 years shows that natural variation is the only thing attributable to any rise in temperature.

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

Are you giving a statement or asking a question?

I am merely repeating a fundamental scientific fact. The whole AGW meme is built on correlation. Now that CO2 levels have risen to "extraordinary highs" and there has been no concurrent increase in temps, you no longer even have that rickety leg to stand on.

There's no "AGW meme."

The science is based on correlation and other factors as CO2 has a forcing and feedback factor.

Finally, skeptics have confirmed what science groups have said through an independent study:

Bombshell Koch-Funded Study Finds Global Warming Is Real On The High End And Essentially All Due To Carbon Pollution ThinkProgress

Too funny! AGW is a Meme and THINKPROGESS is a lying piece of shit web site that produces propaganda by lying about what was actually said.

 

[ralfy]

There is a correlation. See the NAS final report for details.

There may be a forcing factor. See the same report for details.

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

Are you giving a statement or asking a question?

I am merely repeating a fundamental scientific fact. The whole AGW meme is built on correlation. Now that CO2 levels have risen to "extraordinary highs" and there has been no concurrent increase in temps, you no longer even have that rickety leg to stand on.

There's no "AGW meme."

The science is based on correlation and other factors as CO2 has a forcing and feedback factor.

Finally, skeptics have confirmed what science groups have said through an independent study:

Bombshell Koch-Funded Study Finds Global Warming Is Real On The High End And Essentially All Due To Carbon Pollution ThinkProgress

Too funny! AGW is a Meme and THINKPROGESS is a lying piece of shit web site that produces propaganda by lying about what was actually said.

Nope:

Global warming Critics review unexpectedly supports scientific consensus on climate change - latimes

Now putting you in my ignore list.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Big deal. When correlation equals causation you might have a point. It doesn't though....does it...

Are you giving a statement or asking a question?

I am merely repeating a fundamental scientific fact. The whole AGW meme is built on correlation. Now that CO2 levels have risen to "extraordinary highs" and there has been no concurrent increase in temps, you no longer even have that rickety leg to stand on.

There's no "AGW meme."

The science is based on correlation and other factors as CO2 has a forcing and feedback factor.

Finally, skeptics have confirmed what science groups have said through an independent study:

Bombshell Koch-Funded Study Finds Global Warming Is Real On The High End And Essentially All Due To Carbon Pollution ThinkProgress

Too funny! AGW is a Meme and THINKPROGESS is a lying piece of shit web site that produces propaganda by lying about what was actually said.

Nope:

Global warming Critics review unexpectedly supports scientific consensus on climate change - latimes

Now putting you in my ignore list.

Lame.... very Lame... LA Times... about as reputable as the NY Slimes which is also funded by the George Soros group of left wing liars.