Socialism Gets Tested

[Skylar]

Hey....let's catch you in another lie!

Are you pretending you didn't see post #79....another quote of the Cole statement in the Encyclopedia Britannica?

Sigh.....its like kicking a puppy.

This is the 'link' you offered us in post 79:

Try this: file:///C:/Users/Angel/Downloads/The%20Twenty-Year%20Revolution%20from%20Roosevelt%20to%20Eisenhower_3.pdf

Post 79

That's to your own harddrive, dolt. I'd have to be sitting at your computer, typing on your keyboard to access it. That's not a link. That's an excuse for one.

You have yet to show us the Encyclopedia Britannica saying anything you did. With your one link to Encyclopdia Britanica saying nothing you did.

And you already admitted that you knew no online version of Encyclopedia Britannica didn't include your citation. Meaning you knew you were lying when you offered us the link.

Sorry, Chic.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. As usual.

Hey....let's catch you in another lie!

Are you pretending you didn't see post #79....another quote of the Cole statement in the Encyclopedia Britannica?

Sigh.....its like kicking a puppy.

This is the 'link' you offered us in post 79:

Try this: file:///C:/Users/Angel/Downloads/The%20Twenty-Year%20Revolution%20from%20Roosevelt%20to%20Eisenhower_3.pdf

Post 79

That's to your own harddrive, dolt. I'd have to be sitting at your computer, typing on your keyboard to access it. That's not a link. That's an excuse for one.

You have yet to show us the Encyclopedia Britannica saying anything you did. With your one link to Encyclopdia Britanica saying nothing you did.

And you already admitted that you knew no online version of Encyclopedia Britannica didn't include your citation. Meaning you knew you were lying when you offered us the link.

Sorry, Chic.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. As usual.

"You have yet to show us the Encyclopedia Britannica saying anything you did. With your one link to Encyclopdia Britanica (sic) saying nothing you did.

Oooo....let's see what you left out:


This is really what post #79 said:

Try this: file:///C:/Users/Angel/Downloads/The%20Twenty-Year%20Revolution%20from%20Roosevelt%20to%20Eisenhower_3.pdf


"....to socialist movements. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of the British Labor Party, declares: "The distinction between socialism, as represented by the various Socialist and Labor parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and the minority groups in other countries, is one of tactics.-and·-strategy rather than of;..-()bjective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."


Caught you again, huh?

Again, for the fourth time, dipshit....that's not a link. That's a folder on your own hard drive. None of us can verify anything on your hard drive without physically pushing you out of your chair, sitting in front of your computer and typing on your keyboard.

You've offered us nothing verifying anything you've said. With the actual link to Encyclopedia Britannica you did offer not matching any of your citation. And you later admitting that you knew Encyclopedia Britanicca online didn't include your quote.

Meaning you knew your link was a lie when you offered it. But this time we're expected to take your word for it? Sorry, you've already proven yourself a liar on this exact issue. You'll need a link.

Not a folder on your harddrive. Try again. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you.

Books Mises Institute

You'll find that I'm never wrong.

Says the woman that posted a link to a folder in her own harddrive to back up her citation.

And you have yet to show me any citation from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Instead, you cite a book from 1954 from a guy called 'Chesly Manly', with no bibliography or footnotes verifying anything it claims. An unsourced 'quote' from sometime in the 30s in a book from the 50s by an author who you know nothing about is your 'proof'?

Nope.

And still can't explain how socialism and communism are the 'same' when socialism allows for private property while communiism abolishes it.

Or explain how democrats are 'socialists and communists' when almost none of them advocate the abolishment of private property or the collective ownership of all means of production.

Keep running.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberalism and economics, ...oil and water.

CON$ervatism and the WHOLE truth, ...oil and water.

Like all professional liars, you left out the part that immediately after Dan Price changed the pay scale, his brother Lucas sued him, which is what caused the financial problems in the company.

I posted this earlier in the thread:

7. Then potentially the worst blow of all... Mr.Price’s older brother and Gravity co-founder, Lucas Price, citing longstanding differences,filed a lawsuitthat potentially threatened the company’s very existence.With legal bills quickly mounting and most of his own paycheck and last year’s $2.2 million in profits plowed into the salary increases, Dan Price said, “We don’t have a margin of error to pay those legal fees.”http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/b...klash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0

Waiting for your apology.

Not in the OP I replied to.

Apology denied.

You claimed I didn't include the lawsuit....but this was post #11.

So you owe me an apology.

The reason you haven't done so is that you have no class.

Not unexpected.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That's what Jesus thought and is why he put it in the Bible!

Oh? What book and verse is that in, edtheliar?

Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need

Where's the apology....you said I "lied" by leaving out the lawsuit.....but I didn't, did I.

Thanks for proving that I never lie.


Speaking of liars....you specifically said that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," was a quote of Jesus.

It wasn't , was it......liar.

The whole Bible is the word of God. Christians believe Jesus is God.

Lying again..;

You will not find that quote in any version of the Bible....

But you will in the Communist Manifesto

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Dan Price debacle in this thread is but one man's story....a private business...he can do what he wishes with his money. We'll be watching to see how it turns out....

....I'm guessing that more astute businessmen won't run their business this way.


But politicians do....socialists, communists, Liberals, Progressives.



13. When government attempts to operate on those same ideas....The devil, as usual, is in the details. The unspoken and unrecognized assumption is that there exists some mechanism that can distribute goods and services. The only such mechanism is, and must be, the totalitarian state.

1. 1. To believe this, one must accept that there exists some equation by which the state can fairly and honestly control human exchange. Here we go: increasing taxes to increase programs to increase happiness to allow equality…all of which ends up in dictatorship.
   2. There is the adolescent standing aside the street sweeper, who presents himself to government demanding compensation based on his needs, or his goodness, in equality to the physician…urging on him the courage to demand his equal pay! The Leftist has a simple prescription for the inequality of pay…you, the taxpayer, pay him more.
   3. Marxism: tax the surgeon more so the good-willed other will feel momentarily better, implementing their vision of a perfect world, a Utopia.

David Mamet. "The Secret Knowledge."

 

[Skylar]

That's what Jesus thought and is why he put it in the Bible!

Oh? What book and verse is that in, edtheliar?

Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need

Where's the apology....you said I "lied" by leaving out the lawsuit.....but I didn't, did I.

Thanks for proving that I never lie.


Speaking of liars....you specifically said that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," was a quote of Jesus.

It wasn't , was it......liar.

The whole Bible is the word of God. Christians believe Jesus is God.

Lying again..;

You will not find that quote in any version of the Bible....

But you will in the Communist Manifesto

So no version of the Bible....except this one?

For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.

Acts 4: 34-35
Acts 4 35 and put it at the apostles feet and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

Or this one....

"For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales, 35 and lay them at the apostles’ feet; and they would be distributed to each, as any had need."

Acts 4: 34-35

8. Profession and Possession Acts 4 32 5 11 Bible.org

And this one:

"For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need."

Acts 4: 34-35

The Scofield Study Bible New American Standard Bible - Oxford University Press - Google Books

What you're looking for is the New International Version. You know, the version of the Bible you insist doesn't exist, despite it being on of the most popular translations in print.

But tell us again how you're never wrong? I have yet to see you get something right.

 

[edthecynic]

That's what Jesus thought and is why he put it in the Bible!

Oh? What book and verse is that in, edtheliar?

Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need

Where's the apology....you said I "lied" by leaving out the lawsuit.....but I didn't, did I.

Thanks for proving that I never lie.


Speaking of liars....you specifically said that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," was a quote of Jesus.

It wasn't , was it......liar.

The whole Bible is the word of God. Christians believe Jesus is God.

Lying again..;

You will not find that quote in any version of the Bible....

But you will in the Communist Manifesto

Paraphrasing the Bible.
Learn the English language, please.

 

[Skylar]

Oh? What book and verse is that in, edtheliar?

Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need

Where's the apology....you said I "lied" by leaving out the lawsuit.....but I didn't, did I.

Thanks for proving that I never lie.


Speaking of liars....you specifically said that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," was a quote of Jesus.

It wasn't , was it......liar.

The whole Bible is the word of God. Christians believe Jesus is God.

Lying again..;

You will not find that quote in any version of the Bible....

But you will in the Communist Manifesto

Paraphrasing the Bible.
Learn the English language, please.

You didn't paraphrase a thing. That's straight out of the NIV Bible. Word for word.

 

[edthecynic]

Liberalism and economics, ...oil and water.

CON$ervatism and the WHOLE truth, ...oil and water.

Like all professional liars, you left out the part that immediately after Dan Price changed the pay scale, his brother Lucas sued him, which is what caused the financial problems in the company.

I posted this earlier in the thread:

7. Then potentially the worst blow of all... Mr.Price’s older brother and Gravity co-founder, Lucas Price, citing longstanding differences,filed a lawsuitthat potentially threatened the company’s very existence.With legal bills quickly mounting and most of his own paycheck and last year’s $2.2 million in profits plowed into the salary increases, Dan Price said, “We don’t have a margin of error to pay those legal fees.”http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/b...klash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0

Waiting for your apology.

Not in the OP I replied to.

Apology denied.

You claimed I didn't include the lawsuit....but this was post #11.

So you owe me an apology.

The reason you haven't done so is that you have no class.

Not unexpected.

My reply was to your OP, which in fact, did not have one single word about the law suit.

 

[edthecynic]

Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need

Where's the apology....you said I "lied" by leaving out the lawsuit.....but I didn't, did I.

Thanks for proving that I never lie.


Speaking of liars....you specifically said that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," was a quote of Jesus.

It wasn't , was it......liar.

The whole Bible is the word of God. Christians believe Jesus is God.

Lying again..;

You will not find that quote in any version of the Bible....

But you will in the Communist Manifesto

Paraphrasing the Bible.
Learn the English language, please.

You didn't paraphrase a thing. That's straight out of the NIV Bible. Word for word.

the Commie Manifesto was paraphrasing the Bible.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Says the woman that posted a link to a folder in her own harddrive to back up her citation.

And you have yet to show me any citation from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Instead, you cite a book from 1954 from a guy called 'Chesly Manly', with no bibliography or footnotes verifying anything it claims. An unsourced 'quote' from sometime in the 30s in a book from the 50s by an author who you know nothing about is your 'proof'?

Nope.

And still can't explain how socialism and communism are the 'same' when socialism allows for private property while communiism abolishes it.

Or explain how democrats are 'socialists and communists' when almost none of them advocate the abolishment of private property or the collective ownership of all means of production.

Keep running.

Skylar, I find you Soros drones fascinating. You are so very arrogant, yet abysmally ignorant.

We noted earlier that concepts and terms elude you, concepts and terms that most assume common are a complete mystery to you. Here you are again, spewing the most fantastically ignorant shit.

First off, you lack even a rudimentary grasp of economics. You have no clue what the market is, what the division of labor is, or what capital is, Because this primer is in response to your abjectly ignorant drooling regarding communism and socialism, I will start with a name you may have heard, but which you have no direct familiarity with; Karl Marx.

Karl Marx was born to a well to do Jewish family in Vienna, Austria in the 19th century, and no Skyler, there are no kangaroos. Marx was an early example of a professional student. He spent well beyond the usual amount of years in academia and was loathe to enter the working world. Marx was comfortable as an intellectual, but could not secure the support of academia.

Marx spent many years observing the industrial revolution among the faltering Prussian empire, and wrote the treatise "Das Kapital" (later appending Vol. 1)

Capital became the first serious economic manual from the Fabian perspective, driving Marx to acceptance in the Fabian circles and uniting him with Freidrich Engles. Together, Marx and Engles wrote "The Communist Manifest" which detailed the plan for ushering in the utopia of Communism.

Now Skaylar, you're a blithering idiot with no functional education, surely you are aware of this. But Communism MUST evolve from Socialism. Far from the idiocy you post that Communism and Socialism are mutually exclusive, in fact Communism must flow from Socialism.

Marx detailed the process where an agrarian society evolved into an industrial state, adopting his misconception of capitalism. Marx postulated that the working class, or proletarians would inevitably revolt and establish the Socialist state under the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Did I mention that you are abysmally ignorant with utterly no clue what the shit you foolishly spew means? The phase of socialism is the transition from capitalism and is focused on the abolition of private property. Socialism first places the means of production under the control of the dictatorship of the proletariat, then gradually expropriates all property on behalf of the people. The state is no fully socialist until all private property is abolished.

According to Marx, once Socialism is fully realized, the people will see the wisdom of common ownership and the dictatorship will fade, leaving a stateless society called Communism.

Now I wrote this in a manner I would explain it to a 2nd grader, so it is undoubtedly over your head, still should you read through it several times you may start to get an idea of just what the fuck we are talking about.

Economic Manuscripts Capital Volume One

http://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/docs/vision_of_communism.php

 

[Skylar]

Skylar, I find you Soros drones fascinating. You are so very arrogant, yet abysmally ignorant.

Ah, your tell. Where you start accusing everyone who disagrees with you with being affiliated with Soros in some manner. Its your little white flag.

As for absymal ignorance, show us a definition of regulation that includes any of the hapless bullshit that you made up. Specifically, that it only involves 'torturous' things and can't mandate anything.

You'll find you ripped something when you pulled that sideways out of your ass. Just as you'll find that your reimagining of socialism (replacing 'ownership' with 'control) doesn't actually any relevance to the meaning of the word. If they were the same, you wouldn't have had to reimagine the definition.

We noted earlier that concepts and terms elude you, concepts and terms that most assume common are a complete mystery to you. Here you are again, spewing the most fantastically ignorant shit.

And by 'noted', you mean you just made up random shit, like entirely new definitions based on nothign but you citing yourself?

If they are 'common' terms, then surely you'll be able to show us definitions that include them. From a source other than your ass, of course.

First off, you lack even a rudimentary grasp of economics. You have no clue what the market is, what the division of labor is, or what capital is, Because this primer is in response to your abjectly ignorant drooling regarding communism and socialism, I will start with a name you may have heard, but which you have no direct familiarity with; Karl Marx.

With 'ignorantly drooling' being to cite what the terms actually mean, rather whatever hapless nonseense you make up? Yeah, get used to it. You citing you is just noise.

Obamacare isn't the ownership of anything. Its a subsidized private market. All of the providers of healthcare (ie, the means of production of healthcare) are privately owned and operated. Obamacare regulates *insurers*. With barely any regulation of healthcare providers.

So much for your 'every aspect of healthcare' bullshit. You never did think through your nonsense before posting it.

Karl Marx was born to a well to do Jewish famiiy in Vienna, Austria in the 19th century, and no Skyler, there are no kangaroos. Marx was an early example of a professional student. He spent well beyond the usual amount of years in academia and was loathe to enter the working world. Marx was comfortable as an intellectual, but could not secure the support of academia.

Marx spent many years observing the industrial revolution among the faltering Prussian empire, and wrote the treatise "Das Kapital" (later appending Vol. 1)

Capital became the first serious economic manual from the Fabian perspective, driving Marx to acceptance in the Fabian circles and uniting him with Freidrich Engles. Togerth, Marx and Engles wrote "The Communist Manifest" which detailed the plan for ushering in the utopia of Communism.

And what does any of this have to do with your silly assertions regarding Obamacare? Or Polychick's equally brain dead idiocy about socialists equaling communists equally democrats?

Given that socialists allow for private property and communists abolish it.......how are democrats either when almost none call for the abolishment of private property or for collective ownership of all means of production?

I've only asked this question a dozen times. Sooner or later one of your ilk is going to grow backbone enough to try and answer it.

Laughing.....or you could keep that tail tucked snuggly between those quivering haunches and run yet again. Your choice. I get a giggle either way.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ah, your tell. Where you start accusing everyone who disagrees with you with being affiliated with Soros in some manner. Its your little white flag.

Skylar, you are astoundingly ignorant. It amuses me that you think your recitation of hate memes from the Soros sites is less than instantly obvious.

As for absymal ignorance, show us a definition of regulation that includes any of the hapless bullshit that you made up. Specifically, that it only involves 'torturous' things and can't mandate anything.

ROFL

You have no idea what a tort is, do you cretin?

You'll find you ripped something when you pulled that sideways out of your ass. Just as you'll find that your reimagining of socialism (replacing 'ownership' with 'control) doesn't actually any relevance to the meaning of the word. If they were the same, you wouldn't have had to reimagine the definition.

Yes, I've "re-imagined" socialism through cited, peer reviewed works. Not up to your standards of mindless blather from ThinkProgress..

And by 'noted', you mean you just made up random shit, like entirely new definitions based on nothign but you citing yourself?

While many concepts confuse you and are presented for the first time, I cannot take credit.

Should you have stuck it out through third grade, most of these would be familiar to you. Sadly, that exceeded your intellectual capacity.

If they are 'common' terms, then surely you'll be able to show us definitions that include them. From a source other than your ass, of course.

ROFL

What a maroon.

With 'ignorantly drooling' being to cite what the terms actually mean, rather whatever hapless nonseense you make up? Yeah, get used to it. You citing you is just noise.

Obamacare isn't the ownership of anything. Its a subsidized private market. All of the providers of healthcare (ie, the means of production of healthcare) are privately owned and operated. Obamacare regulates *insurers*. With barely any regulation of healthcare providers.

I assume you have again indulged in the copious use of inhalants, and any semblance toward lucidity is lost?

The only one speaking of ownership with Obama's fascist care is you, in a clumsy attempt to avoid the meaning of uncomfortable terms.

So much for your 'every aspect of healthcare' bullshit. You never did think through your nonsense before posting it.

I enjoy poking you with a stick, but don't mistake that for taking you seriously.

You are a fool without a hint of a clue.

And what does any of this have to do with your silly assertions regarding Obamacare? Or Polychick's equally brain dead idiocy about socialists equaling communists equally democrats?

Given that socialists allow for private property and communists abolish it.......how are democrats either when almost none call for the abolishment of private property or for collective ownership of all means of production?

I've only asked this question a dozen times. Sooner or later one of your ilk is going to grow backbone enough to try and answer it.

Laughing.....or you could keep that tail tucked snuggly between those quivering haunches and run yet again. Your choice. I get a giggle either way.

You are abjectly ignorant, and made an astoundingly stupid claim regarding socialism and communism, revealing the depth of your ignorance.

I was merely offering you some knowledge.

No surprise that you recoiled from the presentation of actual fact.

 

[Socialist]

Liberalism and economics, ...oil and water.


The following just one more in an interminable record of the failures of Liberals/Progrssives/Democrats when their ideas come up against reality.




1. In their tireless efforts to paint every voter as a victim, the Left instituted a call for "economic equality," a totally bogus idea that has nothing to do with either economics or with human nature."

Unfortunately, the idea gained credence, not only with the usual dopes, but with a business owner...one who represents, it seems, the old saw "a fool and his money are soon parted."


2. "Income inequality has been racing in the wrong direction,” he said. “I want to fight for the idea that if someone is intelligent, hard-working and does a good job, then they are entitled to live a middle-class lifestyle.” The reaction to his salary pledge has led him to think that if his business continues to prosper, his actions could have far-reaching consequences. “The cause has expanded,” he said. “Whether I like it or not, the stakes are higher.”


3. Three months ago, Mr. [Dan] Price, 31, announced he was setting a new minimum salary of $70,000 at his Seattle credit card processing firm, Gravity Payments, and slashing his own million-dollar pay package to do it.

.... almost overnight, a decision by one small-business man in the northwestern corner of the country became a swashbuckling blow against income inequality.

Job seekers by the thousands sent in résumés. He was called a “thought leader.” Harvard business professors flew out to conduct a case study. Third graders wrote him thank-you notes. Single women wanted to date him.

... outspoken skeptics and conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, who smelled a socialist agenda..." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/b...klash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0





4. Now, boys and girls.....how many lessons must be given, how many examples of failure- Barack Obama comes to mind- must Leftists, socialists, Liberals, Democrats, whatever, be given before they show the ability to learn???


a. David Mamet gave this lesson: "The adolescent, the Marxist, and the Liberal dream of “fairness,” brought about by the state. Silly. This would mean usurping the society decision that the skilled worker is entitled to higher pay than the unskilled. This decision is never pronounced by any authority other than the free market. It was arrived at via the interaction of human beings perfectly capable of ordering their own affairs.

Illustrative of reality is the fact that the Leftist refrains from paying above the stated price for goods and services…he wants, as everyone else does, competition between said services. Only then does he stand a chance of getting a “fair” price. In his own enterprise, he strives to improve quality or lower price…’else his potential customers will take their business to others.
Unless he has the power of government!


b. John Stuart Mill writes in “On Liberty,” that any man who is rewarded equally for doing a good job or a bad job, would be a fool to put energy into its accomplishment. He would naturally withhold it, and put it where it might improve his status or income.


Wanna guess what happened?

A private business owner makes a decision to spend his money the way he wants to spend it and this idiot poster somehow equates that to socialism.

He must be a Democrat....and Democrats are socialists.....and, therefore, communists.


Communists, socialists, and Democrats all have the same goal in mind.


BTW....know the difference between Democrats and socialists?

The head of the DNC doesn't.....'cause there is none.


"Appearing on “Hardball with Chris Matthews,” Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was stumped when it came to answering what would appear to be a simple question on political philosophy.

After asking whether she supports the idea of Democratic presidential candidate and socialist Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders should be given a primetime speaking slot at the Democratic National Convention if he is not the party’s nominee, Matthews threw the Chairwoman a curveball she couldn’t hit.

Matthews asked Wasserman Schultz, “What is the difference between a Democrat and a socialist?”

Wasserman Schultz laughed. Matthews continued, “I used to think there was a big difference, but what do you think it is?”

But Matthews didn’t let it go. “But what’s the big difference between being a Democrat and being a socialist?” Matthews asked. “You’re the chairman of the Democratic Party. Tell me the difference between you and a socialist.”

Again, Wasserman Schultz was unable to answer and tried to change the subject. “The relevant debate that we’ll be having over the course of this campaign,” she said, “is what’s the difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican.”





Read more:DNC Chair Can t Explain Difference Between Democrat And Socialist The Daily Caller

You're a sad excuse for a poster, you actually believe democrats are communists. You have no basic understanding of history or left wing thought. Idiot.

 

[Socialist]

We see what SOCIALISM has done, and IS DOING to America.... dragging us down into the third world! Look to the Manchurian muslim's agenda's and policies!

LOL. Why the hell would anyone listen to winston churchhill, a racist man who let millions starve to death without even trying to help.

 

[Skylar]

Ah, your tell. Where you start accusing everyone who disagrees with you with being affiliated with Soros in some manner. Its your little white flag.

Skylar, you are astoundingly ignorant. It amuses me that you think your recitation of hate memes from the Soros sites is less than instantly obvious.

Nah, I've just seen you cry 'Soros' at the drop of a hat, regardless of topic, poster or thread. Soros lives in your head rent free. And you try and splatter your personal obsession on anyone who doesn't ape whatever useless drivel you try to pass off as 'facts'.


This from less than an hour ago in a completely unrelated thread and a completely different poster:

Is that what you were ordered by Soros to say over on KOS

Post 62

Barry And Mooch On The Skids -O Page 7 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You're very much a one trick pony. Your Soros obsession is your knee jerk to everyone. And so tediously predictable.

ROFL

You have no idea what a tort is, do you cretin?

And where is that definition of regulation again? If your made up definition of regulation is as common as you claim, it should be remarkably easy for you to back it up with something other than yourself. The dictionary perhaps.

But oddly, we get nothing but excuses why you can't. Gee, how did I know that as coming?

With your made up definitions thoroughly affirmed to be meaningless gibberish that you imagined, we're back to the actual meaning of words. And no, regulation is not the same thing as ownership. No matter how desperately your failed argument needs it to be otherwise.

Yes, I've "re-imagined" socialism through cited, peer reviewed works. Not up to your standards of mindless blather from ThinkProgress..

And where in this thread did you cite any 'peer reviewed works' that cite socialism as control over all means of production rather than ownership of it?

Again, if ownership and control were the same thing, you wouldn't have had to swap out one for the other. Alas, they aren't the same. And that's why you creatively edited the meaning of socialism.

Its the same brick wall for your argument either way: regulation isn't ownership. And your little argument leaves a brown streak on the bowl and swirls into oblivion.

I assume you have again indulged in the copious use of inhalants, and any semblance toward lucidity is lost?

The only one speaking of ownership with Obama's fascist care is you, in a clumsy attempt to avoid the meaning of uncomfortable terms.

And in all the ad hominems, notice you don't actually counter anything I've said, or offer even a semblance of a coherent argument.

Huh. Using a fallacy of logic instead of a reasoned argument. Color me shocked. You've got nothing. Which is pretty much what you started with.

Obamacare isn't ownership. Nor does it control 'every aspect of healthcare'. But instead regulates insurers. Exactly as I told you. And almost no democrats call for the abolishment of private property or the collective ownership of all means of production.

Laughing....but tell us again about Karl Marx's favorite color. I'm sure no one will notice that you've abandoned your entire Obamacare argument.

 

[Skylar]

Liberalism and economics, ...oil and water.


The following just one more in an interminable record of the failures of Liberals/Progrssives/Democrats when their ideas come up against reality.




1. In their tireless efforts to paint every voter as a victim, the Left instituted a call for "economic equality," a totally bogus idea that has nothing to do with either economics or with human nature."

Unfortunately, the idea gained credence, not only with the usual dopes, but with a business owner...one who represents, it seems, the old saw "a fool and his money are soon parted."


2. "Income inequality has been racing in the wrong direction,” he said. “I want to fight for the idea that if someone is intelligent, hard-working and does a good job, then they are entitled to live a middle-class lifestyle.” The reaction to his salary pledge has led him to think that if his business continues to prosper, his actions could have far-reaching consequences. “The cause has expanded,” he said. “Whether I like it or not, the stakes are higher.”


3. Three months ago, Mr. [Dan] Price, 31, announced he was setting a new minimum salary of $70,000 at his Seattle credit card processing firm, Gravity Payments, and slashing his own million-dollar pay package to do it.

.... almost overnight, a decision by one small-business man in the northwestern corner of the country became a swashbuckling blow against income inequality.

Job seekers by the thousands sent in résumés. He was called a “thought leader.” Harvard business professors flew out to conduct a case study. Third graders wrote him thank-you notes. Single women wanted to date him.

... outspoken skeptics and conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, who smelled a socialist agenda..." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/b...klash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0





4. Now, boys and girls.....how many lessons must be given, how many examples of failure- Barack Obama comes to mind- must Leftists, socialists, Liberals, Democrats, whatever, be given before they show the ability to learn???


a. David Mamet gave this lesson: "The adolescent, the Marxist, and the Liberal dream of “fairness,” brought about by the state. Silly. This would mean usurping the society decision that the skilled worker is entitled to higher pay than the unskilled. This decision is never pronounced by any authority other than the free market. It was arrived at via the interaction of human beings perfectly capable of ordering their own affairs.

Illustrative of reality is the fact that the Leftist refrains from paying above the stated price for goods and services…he wants, as everyone else does, competition between said services. Only then does he stand a chance of getting a “fair” price. In his own enterprise, he strives to improve quality or lower price…’else his potential customers will take their business to others.
Unless he has the power of government!


b. John Stuart Mill writes in “On Liberty,” that any man who is rewarded equally for doing a good job or a bad job, would be a fool to put energy into its accomplishment. He would naturally withhold it, and put it where it might improve his status or income.


Wanna guess what happened?

A private business owner makes a decision to spend his money the way he wants to spend it and this idiot poster somehow equates that to socialism.

He must be a Democrat....and Democrats are socialists.....and, therefore, communists.


Communists, socialists, and Democrats all have the same goal in mind.


BTW....know the difference between Democrats and socialists?

The head of the DNC doesn't.....'cause there is none.


"Appearing on “Hardball with Chris Matthews,” Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was stumped when it came to answering what would appear to be a simple question on political philosophy.

After asking whether she supports the idea of Democratic presidential candidate and socialist Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders should be given a primetime speaking slot at the Democratic National Convention if he is not the party’s nominee, Matthews threw the Chairwoman a curveball she couldn’t hit.

Matthews asked Wasserman Schultz, “What is the difference between a Democrat and a socialist?”

Wasserman Schultz laughed. Matthews continued, “I used to think there was a big difference, but what do you think it is?”

But Matthews didn’t let it go. “But what’s the big difference between being a Democrat and being a socialist?” Matthews asked. “You’re the chairman of the Democratic Party. Tell me the difference between you and a socialist.”

Again, Wasserman Schultz was unable to answer and tried to change the subject. “The relevant debate that we’ll be having over the course of this campaign,” she said, “is what’s the difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican.”





Read more:DNC Chair Can t Explain Difference Between Democrat And Socialist The Daily Caller

You're a sad excuse for a poster, you actually believe democrats are communists. You have no basic understanding of history or left wing thought. Idiot.

Its not like anyone in the right wing echo chamber is gonna call her on it. They're running on pure emotion, making this shit up as they go along.

 

[Socialist]

Liberalism and economics, ...oil and water.


The following just one more in an interminable record of the failures of Liberals/Progrssives/Democrats when their ideas come up against reality.




1. In their tireless efforts to paint every voter as a victim, the Left instituted a call for "economic equality," a totally bogus idea that has nothing to do with either economics or with human nature."

Unfortunately, the idea gained credence, not only with the usual dopes, but with a business owner...one who represents, it seems, the old saw "a fool and his money are soon parted."


2. "Income inequality has been racing in the wrong direction,” he said. “I want to fight for the idea that if someone is intelligent, hard-working and does a good job, then they are entitled to live a middle-class lifestyle.” The reaction to his salary pledge has led him to think that if his business continues to prosper, his actions could have far-reaching consequences. “The cause has expanded,” he said. “Whether I like it or not, the stakes are higher.”


3. Three months ago, Mr. [Dan] Price, 31, announced he was setting a new minimum salary of $70,000 at his Seattle credit card processing firm, Gravity Payments, and slashing his own million-dollar pay package to do it.

.... almost overnight, a decision by one small-business man in the northwestern corner of the country became a swashbuckling blow against income inequality.

Job seekers by the thousands sent in résumés. He was called a “thought leader.” Harvard business professors flew out to conduct a case study. Third graders wrote him thank-you notes. Single women wanted to date him.

... outspoken skeptics and conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, who smelled a socialist agenda..." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/b...klash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0





4. Now, boys and girls.....how many lessons must be given, how many examples of failure- Barack Obama comes to mind- must Leftists, socialists, Liberals, Democrats, whatever, be given before they show the ability to learn???


a. David Mamet gave this lesson: "The adolescent, the Marxist, and the Liberal dream of “fairness,” brought about by the state. Silly. This would mean usurping the society decision that the skilled worker is entitled to higher pay than the unskilled. This decision is never pronounced by any authority other than the free market. It was arrived at via the interaction of human beings perfectly capable of ordering their own affairs.

Illustrative of reality is the fact that the Leftist refrains from paying above the stated price for goods and services…he wants, as everyone else does, competition between said services. Only then does he stand a chance of getting a “fair” price. In his own enterprise, he strives to improve quality or lower price…’else his potential customers will take their business to others.
Unless he has the power of government!


b. John Stuart Mill writes in “On Liberty,” that any man who is rewarded equally for doing a good job or a bad job, would be a fool to put energy into its accomplishment. He would naturally withhold it, and put it where it might improve his status or income.


Wanna guess what happened?

A private business owner makes a decision to spend his money the way he wants to spend it and this idiot poster somehow equates that to socialism.

He must be a Democrat....and Democrats are socialists.....and, therefore, communists.


Communists, socialists, and Democrats all have the same goal in mind.


BTW....know the difference between Democrats and socialists?

The head of the DNC doesn't.....'cause there is none.


"Appearing on “Hardball with Chris Matthews,” Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was stumped when it came to answering what would appear to be a simple question on political philosophy.

After asking whether she supports the idea of Democratic presidential candidate and socialist Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders should be given a primetime speaking slot at the Democratic National Convention if he is not the party’s nominee, Matthews threw the Chairwoman a curveball she couldn’t hit.

Matthews asked Wasserman Schultz, “What is the difference between a Democrat and a socialist?”

Wasserman Schultz laughed. Matthews continued, “I used to think there was a big difference, but what do you think it is?”

But Matthews didn’t let it go. “But what’s the big difference between being a Democrat and being a socialist?” Matthews asked. “You’re the chairman of the Democratic Party. Tell me the difference between you and a socialist.”

Again, Wasserman Schultz was unable to answer and tried to change the subject. “The relevant debate that we’ll be having over the course of this campaign,” she said, “is what’s the difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican.”





Read more:DNC Chair Can t Explain Difference Between Democrat And Socialist The Daily Caller

You're a sad excuse for a poster, you actually believe democrats are communists. You have no basic understanding of history or left wing thought. Idiot.

Its not like anyone in the right wing echo chamber is gonna call her on it. They're running on pure emotion, making this shit up as they go along.

It's why places like this exist: Shit Americans Say

 

[Uncensored2008]

You're a sad excuse for a poster, you actually believe democrats are communists. You have no basic understanding of history or left wing thought. Idiot.

democrats promote and legislate a centrally planned and managed economy.

 

[Skylar]

You're a sad excuse for a poster, you actually believe democrats are communists. You have no basic understanding of history or left wing thought. Idiot.

democrats promote and legislate a centrally planned and managed economy.

Um, dipshit......I'm still waiting for you to provide some rational basis for your made up definition of 'regulation'. As regulation still isn't ownership. Socialism still involves the collective ownership of means of production. And Obamacare still isn't socialism or ownership of the healthcare industry.

Oh, and while you're at it, explain how socialism and communism are the same when socialism allows for private property while communism abolishes it. And explain how democrats are socialists and communists when almost no democrats advocate either the collective ownership of all means of production nor the abolishment of private property.

Remember, words have actual meanings. And the hapless nonsense you make up isn't it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nah, I've just seen you cry 'Soros' at the drop of a hat, regardless of topic, poster or thread. Soros lives in your head rent free. And you try and splatter your personal obsession on anyone who doesn't ape whatever useless drivel you try to pass off as 'facts'.

Not the drop of a hat, the drop of a meme. You morons really think no one recognizes that you are mindlessly reciting shit from the hate sites.

But we've been over this before. You are no employing the logical fallacy of repetition ad adsurdum - the restating of idiocy you have already been defeated on.

You're very much a one trick pony. Your Soros obsession is your knee jerk to everyone. And so tediously predictable.

The reality is most of the leftists on this board - including you - are mindless drones reciting whatever the hate sites have posted. I doubt you've ever had a thought.

And where is that definition of regulation again? If your made up definition of regulation is as common as you claim, it should be remarkably easy for you to back it up with something other than yourself. The dictionary perhaps.

Skylar, you're stupid as a dog turd - but less useful.

Regulation - N: a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, especially to regulate conduct.

Now what do you think you have shown, retard?

But oddly, we get nothing but excuses why you can't. Gee, how did I know that as coming?

With your made up definitions thoroughly affirmed to be meaningless gibberish that you imagined, we're back to the actual meaning of words. And no, regulation is not the same thing as ownership. No matter how desperately your failed argument needs it to be otherwise.

And you whine that I point out that you are reading from a script.

You idiocy isn't even pertinent to my words.

You have a script from the hate sites on "how to defeat a capitalist" and are mindlessly flinging shit, with zero regard to the subject at hand.

And where in this thread did you cite any 'peer reviewed works' that cite socialism as control over all means of production rather than ownership of it?

Skyler, you're a fucking retard.

Click the links, shit fer brains.

Again, if ownership and control were the same thing, you wouldn't have had to swap out one for the other.

Who said they were?

Marx (as noted in the peer reviewed cite from NYU) pointed to command and control as a pathway to direct ownership.

Socialism is a process, beginning with the centrally planned and managed economy that you of the Khmer Rouge democrats promote and legislate, moving toward direct ownership of the means of production by the state.

You can't be taking seriously. You lack the intellect, education, and especially the integrity required for a serious discussion.