Socialism = Capitalism plus

[TNHarley]

Like how the left doesnt know what liberalism is? Like that, bill?

 

[BWK]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

If you want people to stop accusing you of being socialists how about you stop advocating for socialism?

Because it isn't solely about Socialism. Republicans still aren't smart enough to get it.
The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

Why not just call them "assistance programs" like you did in years past instead of using the toxic word "socialism"? This is politics 101.

Clearly, the goal is to normalize socialism so you can push for more blatant implementations in the future.

That's a ridiculous argument. If that were true, why would we be praising these countries that incorporate both systems?

 

[BWK]

Like how the left doesnt know what liberalism is? Like that, bill?

You are changing the subject. Another losing argument.

 

[impuretrash]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

If you want people to stop accusing you of being socialists how about you stop advocating for socialism?

Because it isn't solely about Socialism. Republicans still aren't smart enough to get it.
The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

Why not just call them "assistance programs" like you did in years past instead of using the toxic word "socialism"? This is politics 101.

Clearly, the goal is to normalize socialism so you can push for more blatant implementations in the future.

That's a ridiculous argument. If that were true, why would we be praising these countries that incorporate both systems?

If you were wise, you'd stop using the word socialism so frivolously. But you're not half as smart as you think you are.

 

[Oddball]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Maher never said they were 100% Socialism. Trying to hijack what is being said won't work. Private investment is still a main ingredient in their economy. I knew that the Right would not get it.The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

You folks either aren't smart enough, or you refuse to understand the symbiotic relationship that exists between the two systems that make them so successful.

If there's private investment then you don't have socialism.

Neither you nor that fuckwit Maher have the first idea of what you're blabbering about.

Sure you do. They work in tandem. We used to have the same system until corporations changed it. You keep ranting on, but you aren't presenting any intelligent counter arguments. Attacking myself and Maher just proves you are losing.

No, they don''t work in tandem...And corporatism is a variation of socialism.

The private free market and socialism are not equals, not by a long shot.

And while we're at it here, let's look at the things all you liberoidal moonbats have stuck you noses into, to the point that they're nearly fully socialized:

Roads: Suck for the most part.
Education: Sucks.
Medicare/Medicaid: Deliver shit care in absence of supplemental insurance and are broke.
Social Security: Going broke.
Fiat currency: The principal reason for the $21 trillion in debt.
Post Office: Don't make me laugh.

But can the left have some introspection and see these things as the shit shows that they are?....NOOOO!...They want to do more of it and throw more money at them.

 

[Confounding]

Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.

Cool.

Let's do that then.

Fuck no.

Why? Because it'd elevate the lowest Americans too much and hugely change our society for the better?

People on the right that call themselves nationalists deserve to be laughed at.

Move your ass to Denmark if you think they have it so great.

This is a bullshit response.

No.

I will continue to advocate for change in the states. Sorry dude.

 

[Oddball]

Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.

Cool.

Let's do that then.

Fuck no.

Why? Because it'd elevate the lowest Americans too much and hugely change our society for the better?

People on the right that call themselves nationalists deserve to be laughed at.

Move your ass to Denmark if you think they have it so great.

This is a bullshit response.

No.

I will continue to advocate for change in the states. Sorry dude.

It's not a bullshit response....If you want all that "free" stuff, it behooves you pack up your shit and move your dead ass to Scandinavia, rather than try to force your shit on 300 million other people.

 

[Confounding]

Cool.

Let's do that then.

Fuck no.

Why? Because it'd elevate the lowest Americans too much and hugely change our society for the better?

People on the right that call themselves nationalists deserve to be laughed at.

Move your ass to Denmark if you think they have it so great.

This is a bullshit response.

No.

I will continue to advocate for change in the states. Sorry dude.

It's not a bullshit response....If you want all that "free" stuff, it behooves you pack up your shit and move your dead ass to Scandinavia, rather than try to force your shit on 300 million other people.

I don't need shit from Uncle Sam. I support Scandinavian style politics because I'm a true nationalist, unlike the social Darwinists on the right. Your argument is tired, and it sucked even when it wasn't.

 

[TNHarley]

Like how the left doesnt know what liberalism is? Like that, bill?

You are changing the subject. Another losing argument.

Some many on the right use socialism loosely. Big whoop. We get it.
You regressive leftists change words definitions more that a newborn does diapers

 

[BWK]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state and being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposal income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Very few of these morons promoting Socialism for the United States have worked or lived in places like Holland and Norway, which they want to hold up as Utopias. Your reference of economic mobility is far and above these idiots' ability to understand. One of the things I found interesting about working in these countries was the only thing they really have as a tax deduction is interest expense. Basically, in order to avoid paying taxes you had to borrow money. So you either pay your income back in taxes or to banks. There's no way to accumulate capital to invest, and if you do have capital gains they are taxed at outrageous rates. Therefore you are limited in your ability to use capital appreciation to make a better life for yourself.

Every person I met over the years was up to their ass in debt. Very little disposable income. All their money went to living expense, interest payments, and taxes.

Um, excuse me, but you want to talk about debt? Seriously? What about student loan debt, or catastrophic illness debt, or banks setting up bad mortgage debt, or the debt accrued from income inequality debt and the entrapment of credit card debt? You certainly aren't going to accumulate capital like that. There's a thousand and one ways to be way worse off with the system we have now through total Corporatism, as opposed to the mixed bag of Socialism and Capitalism.

At the end of the day, they don't have to worry about life or death when it comes to paying for a catastrophic medical expense.

 

[Confounding]

Some many on the right use socialism loosely. Big whoop.

That would be fine if they didn't turn around and say things like "Scandinavia isn't socialist." They get literal when it benefits them because they often are not willing to engage honestly in my opinion.

The left isn't asking for totalitarian economic socialism. The left is asking for what Scandinavia has. The labels seriously fuck up the entire conversation.

 

[Oddball]

Um, excuse me, but you want to talk about debt? Seriously? What about student loan debt, or catastrophic illness debt, or banks setting up bad mortgage debt, or the debt accrued from income inequality debt and the entrapment of credit card debt? You certainly aren't going to accumulate capital like that. There's a thousand and one ways to be way worse off with the system we have now through total Corporatism, as opposed to the mixed bag of Socialism and Capitalism.

At the end of the day, they don't have to worry about life or death when it comes to paying for a catastrophic medical expense.

None of that would be the case if the Fed couldn't just print up money at will.

Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.


~Plank 5 of the Communist Manifesto.

 

[BWK]

Like how the left doesnt know what liberalism is? Like that, bill?

You are changing the subject. Another losing argument.

Some many on the right use socialism loosely. Big whoop. We get it.
You regressive leftists change words definitions more that a newborn does diapers

You stil have yet to say one thing that tells us all you are debating anything at all. You come here to say nothing. Congratulations!

 

[Oddball]

Some many on the right use socialism loosely. Big whoop.

That would be fine if they didn't turn around and say things like "Scandinavia isn't socialist." They get literal when it benefits them because they often are not willing to engage honestly in my opinion.

The left isn't asking for totalitarian economic socialism. The left is asking for what Scandinavia has. The labels seriously fuck up the entire conversation.

The left is a bunch of freebooters and layabouts...Move the fuck to Denmark.

 

[BWK]

Um, excuse me, but you want to talk about debt? Seriously? What about student loan debt, or catastrophic illness debt, or banks setting up bad mortgage debt, or the debt accrued from income inequality debt and the entrapment of credit card debt? You certainly aren't going to accumulate capital like that. There's a thousand and one ways to be way worse off with the system we have now through total Corporatism, as opposed to the mixed bag of Socialism and Capitalism.

At the end of the day, they don't have to worry about life or death when it comes to paying for a catastrophic medical expense.

None of that would be the case if the Fed couldn't just print up money at will.

Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.


~Plank 5 of the Communist Manifesto.

Who said they were printing it up at will? You yourself said they were not all Socialist, and I linked the same thing.

 

[Oddball]

I don't need shit from Uncle Sam. I support Scandinavian style politics because I'm a true nationalist, unlike the social Darwinists on the right. Your argument is tired, and it sucked even when it wasn't.

Liar...You're a poorly closeted Marxist.

 

[Confounding]

Move the fuck to Denmark.

This is the best you can do?

 

[Oddball]

Um, excuse me, but you want to talk about debt? Seriously? What about student loan debt, or catastrophic illness debt, or banks setting up bad mortgage debt, or the debt accrued from income inequality debt and the entrapment of credit card debt? You certainly aren't going to accumulate capital like that. There's a thousand and one ways to be way worse off with the system we have now through total Corporatism, as opposed to the mixed bag of Socialism and Capitalism.

At the end of the day, they don't have to worry about life or death when it comes to paying for a catastrophic medical expense.

None of that would be the case if the Fed couldn't just print up money at will.

Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.


~Plank 5 of the Communist Manifesto.

Who said they were printing it up at will? You yourself said they were not all Socialist, and I linked the same thing.

I guess you missed the eight years of "quantitative easing" that artificially pumped Wall Street up, huh?

Dude, you seriously know nothing about the Fed and its money printing scam.

 

[Confounding]

Liar...

Yeah, whatever.

Let me know when you think up a better argument than "Move to Denmark."

 

[TNHarley]

Like how the left doesnt know what liberalism is? Like that, bill?

You are changing the subject. Another losing argument.

Some many on the right use socialism loosely. Big whoop. We get it.
You regressive leftists change words definitions more that a newborn does diapers

You stil have yet to say one thing that tells us all you are debating anything at all. You come here to say nothing. Congratulations!

Whats there to debate, you dilapidated bag of dumbfuck? I agreed many on the right perverse its meaning. Im just saying you acting like its a big deal is ignorant.