Socialism = Capitalism plus

[BWK]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

 

[Mac1958]

"Happiness isn't just about what you HAVE. It's also about what you don't have to WORRY ABOUT". Bingo.

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
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[Oddball]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

 

[Oddball]

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including having more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
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Fudging and defiling the language is what authoritarians and their toadies do.

 

[BWK]

"Happiness isn't just about what you HAVE. It's also about what you don't have to WORRY ABOUT". Bingo.

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including having more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
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Not really, because ever since FDR, that is in fact what we have had. The problem started in the late seventies and eighties when politicians and corporations took over Capitalism for themselves, while all the while creating a scapegoat by blaming Socialism. Socialism has nothing to do with income inequality, poor HC, and the like. Corporatism took over Capitalism.

 

[Confounding]

Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.

Cool.

Let's do that then.

 

[Confounding]

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including having more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
.

Fudging and defiling the language is what authoritarians and their toadies do.

The mental midgets on the right are the ones that fucked up the language by calling social safety nets socialism.

 

[Mac1958]

"Happiness isn't just about what you HAVE. It's also about what you don't have to WORRY ABOUT". Bingo.

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including having more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
.

Not really, because ever since FDR, that is in fact what we have had. The problem started in the late seventies and eighties when politicians and corporations took over Capitalism for themselves, while all the while creating a scapegoat by blaming Socialism. Socialism has nothing to do with income inequality, poor HC, and the like. Corporatism took over Capitalism.

Socialism is government ownership of production and distribution. That is not what we have had. We've long had elements within our overall system in which government does this, such as roads & bridges, but that is only elements, parts. REAL socialism is total. The definition has clearly changed and significantly relaxed.

Now all this stuff exists along a continuum.
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[Oddball]

The mental midgets on the right are the ones that fucked up the language by calling social safety nets socialism.

The social safety hammock in Murica is socialized charity.....And the moonbat left is doing its best to push legit charities out of business.

 

[Oddball]

Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.

Cool.

Let's do that then.

Fuck no.

 

[Confounding]

Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.

Cool.

Let's do that then.

Fuck no.

Why? Because it'd elevate the lowest Americans too much and hugely change our society for the better?

People on the right that call themselves nationalists deserve to be laughed at.

 

[Oddball]

Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.

Cool.

Let's do that then.

Fuck no.

Why? Because it'd elevate the lowest Americans too much and hugely change our society for the better?

People on the right that call themselves nationalists deserve to be laughed at.

Move your ass to Denmark if you think they have it so great.

 

[impuretrash]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

If you want people to stop accusing you of being socialists how about you stop advocating for socialism?

 

[BWK]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Maher never said they were 100% Socialism. Trying to hijack what is being said won't work. Private investment is still a main ingredient in their economy. I knew that the Right would not get it.The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

You folks either aren't smart enough, or you refuse to understand the symbiotic relationship that exists between the two systems that make them so successful.

 

[BWK]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

If you want people to stop accusing you of being socialists how about you stop advocating for socialism?

Because it isn't solely about Socialism. Republicans still aren't smart enough to get it.
The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

 

[Oddball]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Maher never said they were 100% Socialism. Trying to hijack what is being said won't work. Private investment is still a main ingredient in their economy. I knew that the Right would not get it.The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

You folks either aren't smart enough, or you refuse to understand the symbiotic relationship that exists between the two systems that make them so successful.

If there's private investment then you don't have socialism.

Neither you nor that fuckwit Maher have the first idea of what you're blabbering about.

 

[BWK]

Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.

Cool.

Let's do that then.

Fuck no.

Why? Because it'd elevate the lowest Americans too much and hugely change our society for the better?

People on the right that call themselves nationalists deserve to be laughed at.

Move your ass to Denmark if you think they have it so great.

See how easy it is to win this argument? And it only took you posting about twice to do it. Republicans have no intelligent counter argument to a system that works perfectly, that we no longer have.

 

[impuretrash]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

If you want people to stop accusing you of being socialists how about you stop advocating for socialism?

Because it isn't solely about Socialism. Republicans still aren't smart enough to get it.
The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

Why not just call them "assistance programs" like you did in years past instead of using the toxic word "socialism"? This is politics 101.

Clearly, the goal is to normalize socialism so you can push for more blatant implementations in the future.

 

[BWK]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Maher never said they were 100% Socialism. Trying to hijack what is being said won't work. Private investment is still a main ingredient in their economy. I knew that the Right would not get it.The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

You folks either aren't smart enough, or you refuse to understand the symbiotic relationship that exists between the two systems that make them so successful.

If there's private investment then you don't have socialism.

Neither you nor that fuckwit Maher have the first idea of what you're blabbering about.

Sure you do. They work in tandem. We used to have the same system until corporations changed it. You keep ranting on, but you aren't presenting any intelligent counter arguments. Attacking myself and Maher just proves you are losing.

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state and being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposal income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Very few of these morons promoting Socialism for the United States have worked or lived in places like Holland and Norway, which they want to hold up as Utopias. Your reference of economic mobility is far and above these idiots' ability to understand. One of the things I found interesting about working in these countries was the only thing they really have as a tax deduction is interest expense. Basically, in order to avoid paying taxes you had to borrow money. So you either pay your income back in taxes or to banks. There's no way to accumulate capital to invest, and if you do have capital gains they are taxed at outrageous rates. Therefore you are limited in your ability to use capital appreciation to make a better life for yourself.

Every person I met over the years was up to their ass in debt. Very little disposable income. All their money went to living expense, interest payments, and taxes.