So What's The Plan?

[Rozman]

Investigate, investigate, investigate.

We will have the same party who took us to war built on LIES who never got investigated investigating Obama non stop until the election of 2012. If they get elected in 2012 they will go right back to the plan of giving our country to the corporations.

Sounds like a fine start to me.

 

[johnrocks]

getting passed without getting read, 2000 pages and people don't;for the most part; know weather to oppose or support; based on nothing more than trusting those on their "team"

This is the case with virtually all bills on complex issues. Congressmen generally specialize in certain policy areas, becoming subject matter experts (well, to an extent) and devoting their energy to the bills that come through their committees which, of course, are chosen because they have jurisdiction over the areas the Congressman is focusing on. When it comes to bills on subjects in which they don't have much expertise, signals from trusted colleagues who are knowledgeable on the subject play a big role in the decision-making process.

It's a nice thought that Congressmen would be well-rounded (and intelligent) enough for each of them to read and fully understand bills on areas as disparate as financial regulation, health care reform, energy policy, etc (i.e. they kind of things that have been big this session). But if those are the kind of people we want filling the halls of Congress (well-rounded policy wonks), we're probably going to have to come up with something other than elections to choose them. Because the skill set needed to win elections is not the skill set we're talking about here.

Perhaps it's time for it to "not be the case", supporting unread 2000 page bills is what gave us Medicare Part "D" and the Patriot Act also so I remain a bit leery of this concept.

 

[Madeline]

Fine. We'll focus on a snipe hunt into the Obama administration while unemployment climbs up beyond 20% and most of us are on bread lines.

If this is your idea of a "good plan", you're an idiot.

 

[Trajan]

We should as a country plan on seeing gridlock.

Fisrt up- taxes... the dem plan was to snooker the reps via the deficit commission ( notice they are not due to report till after the election). That plan due to the economy not showing any gains during recovery summer is now awry, they will when they come back from recess raise motions to leave the bush cuts in place, minus the top 2 brackets , thr rep.w will claim they all need to be kept, the class-warfare card will be played ( because that is truly all they have) the “rich” get richer and the poor get poorer only the poor won’t be getting poorer because their cuts will be in place, frankly no ones getting very much richer right now, money is sitting.


I don’t now how it will turn out, if the reps cave and allow the lower cuts to stay and the higher expire, this won’t be much of a boost and it will be seen as a bad move in a quarter.

The media will of course immediately blame the reps and the whole whirligig will start all over again.

I will say this, the budget which was punted earlier this year, will be crucial. There will be war. We have to cut, you can tax everyone who makes above 250k a year at the 75% rate and it won’t help, the money will run even further away and the economy won’t get a boost either.....the cuts will have to be drastic, IF the reps punt this as gunny said we are really really screwed...there is no second chance to be had at this point.

We cannot print anymore money and the Chinese etc. no longer have an appetite for our debt anywhere on the scale they have had and even if they did, we’d again be trading the future ...for what?

 

[Madeline]

That was a wonderful post, Trajan. I'd rep ya, but I'm outta gas.

I'm of the same opinion. It is time to quit fucking around.

 

[rdean]

As far as what is bad about the health care bill....
Subsidizing the insurance companies
forcing others to join and/or pay for other people's healthcare
wanting more government intervention while disregarding the fact that 50% of the sector is already controlled by government and 100% is heavily regulated by government
getting passed without getting read, 2000 pages and people don't;for the most part; know weather to oppose or support; based on nothing more than trusting those on their "team"
actions have reactions and unintended consequences yet the solution seems to be more government action.

In other words, it's too hard to read and you don't know what it says. That's ok. Just tell the truth.

I've posted links to both the House bill and the Senate bill. The house bill was much longer and it was 1990 pages long. The final bill that was passed was about 1,500 pages. It's a great read and filled with tax credits for small business and tons of things to help the American Middle Class and families. No one is "forced" to join. That is a Republican lie like "death panels" and "kill grandma". I'm always amazed at people who are so willing to believe that stuff. Next, you'll be telling us that evolution is not real and Obama is a "Kenyan".

 

[rdean]

We should as a country plan on seeing gridlock.

Fisrt up- taxes... the dem plan was to snooker the reps via the deficit commission ( notice they are not due to report till after the election). That plan due to the economy not showing any gains during recovery summer is now awry, they will when they come back from recess raise motions to leave the bush cuts in place, minus the top 2 brackets , thr rep.w will claim they all need to be kept, the class-warfare card will be played ( because that is truly all they have) the “rich” get richer and the poor get poorer only the poor won’t be getting poorer because their cuts will be in place, frankly no ones getting very much richer right now, money is sitting.


I don’t now how it will turn out, if the reps cave and allow the lower cuts to stay and the higher expire, this won’t be much of a boost and it will be seen as a bad move in a quarter.

The media will of course immediately blame the reps and the whole whirligig will start all over again.

I will say this, the budget which was punted earlier this year, will be crucial. There will be war. We have to cut, you can tax everyone who makes above 250k a year at the 75% rate and it won’t help, the money will run even further away and the economy won’t get a boost either.....the cuts will have to be drastic, IF the reps punt this as gunny said we are really really screwed...there is no second chance to be had at this point.

We cannot print anymore money and the Chinese etc. no longer have an appetite for our debt anywhere on the scale they have had and even if they did, we’d again be trading the future ...for what?

Companies paid hand over fist to congressmen, mostly Republicans, to make it easier to move jobs to China. This has resulted in weakening our country and strengthening communist and socialist China.

If the plan was to hurt the US, it worked far beyond expectations.

If the plan was something else, I wish Republicans would tell us what it was.

I don't own anything Apple or Hewlett Packard.

 

[rdean]

Well, this is at least a start, Soggy. Ten things you hope to say "no" to...but you don't have any confidence the GOP shares your POV? And may I ask, whilst you are busy repealing Obamacare, etc., what are your proposals for coping with the issues facing us? Or do you think they'll all just magically disappear?

Here's a big one IMO: we are on track to deficit spend about 25% of our GDP and THAT is unsustainable. Some government programs and spending must be cut. Which ones get the axe?

Federal Deficit As Pct GDP in United States 1950-2010 - Federal State Local

How is that a "start"? And what is it about the Health Care Bill that's so bad?

Besides, those are talking points, NOT policy. Might as well be saying:

Do things
Do stuff
make better
stop bad.
Move things.


See? That's not "policy". Those are just little word bytes.

No different than
more regulations
tax the rich
evil corporations
etc.,etc.,etc.

Except Democrats have put policies in place that are actually turning around the GOP damaged economy.

 

[txlonghorn]

After November, after you Take Back Our Country and Reclaim Your Honor...what's the plan for:

* the economy

* the Middle East

* public education

* health care

In a perfect world where Glenn Beck can dictate, what are the solutions you are so eager to see take hold? Or is defeating Obama and the Dems the whole enchilada for you?

Lay it on me...what else ya got?

What....and take all the fun out of keeping you guessing??? LOL...I think we'll make you sweat it out a bit more.

But I'll give you a little teaser...Pelosi will have VERY LITTLE to smile about...