So...Trump thinks health insurance and life insurance are the same???

[Pop23]

again hold on to your seat derp......im not one of them guys....and yes really.....in real life out here where the people live.....many liberals take personal responsibility as bad as many conservatives do......

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright.

This is the lack of personal responsibility that I'm referring to where you never own up to your awful mistakes and bad ideas.

Or wanting others than yourself (the personal part of the equation) to pay for YOUR health insurance.

Derp you are, and Derp you shall remain.

 

[The Derp]

Or wanting others than yourself (the personal part of the equation) to pay for YOUR health insurance.

What the hell do you think health insurance is, you dummy? You pay for other people's health care. They pay for yours. The concept of insurance is lost on you.

 

[kwc57]

trump is a conservative?

Yup.

Nope.

 

[kwc57]

so you agree the OP is wrong?

What policy differences are there between Trump and the GOP? None so far as I can see. Conservatives aren't going to be allowed to shirk Trump the way they tried to shirk Bush in retrospect. We know you Conservatives voted for Trump. You all got behind him. Your policy goals and his are the same. There is no difference between Trump and all the other conservatives. They're all a bunch of idiot know-nothings with bad ideas.

How many of Trump's agenda items has the Republican Congress passed? Suuuuure, there are no policy differences between Trump and the GOP. Wanna buy a bridge?

 

[The Derp]

Nope.

Oh I forgot...everyone is a Conservative until their Conservative policies fail, then they're not. Funny how that works.

 

[The Derp]

How many of Trump's agenda items has the Republican Congress passed? Suuuuure, there are no policy differences between Trump and the GOP. Wanna buy a bridge?

The GOP hasn't passed anything because the GOP doesn't know how to govern. Neither does Trump. It's part of what makes them Conservative; an inability to do anything other than bleat like morons.

 

[kwc57]

How many of Trump's agenda items has the Republican Congress passed? Suuuuure, there are no policy differences between Trump and the GOP. Wanna buy a bridge?

The GOP hasn't passed anything because the GOP doesn't know how to govern. Neither does Trump. It's part of what makes them Conservative; an inability to do anything other than bleat like morons.

Yeah, remember how Harry Reid "governed". He singlehandedly brought Congress to a stand still for 2 years when he killed 360+ bipartisan bills. Pot, kettle, black.

 

[The Derp]

Yeah, remember how Harry Reid "governed". He singlehandedly brought Congress to a stand still for 2 years when he killed 360+ bipartisan bills. Pot, kettle, black.

What bipartisan bills? And the GOP controls all three branches and 2/3 of state legislatures & governors, as well as SCOTUS.

 

[Iceweasel]

This is the universal problem with Conservatives...they have absolutely no idea what the fuck they're talking about. The ideas Trump expressed are no sillier than those expressed by Conservatives on these boards. In all cases, they're a bunch of idiot know-nothings.

Typical leftist projection.

Insurance is like insurance, that's the point. Auto drivers get better rates if they have a better record and you won't find anyone to insure your accident while uninsured. It's a pool and the libs want healthy people to subsidize those who don't take care of themselves. The started it in this state long ago so I knew how obiecare would play out.

 

[The Derp]

Insurance is like insurance, that's the point.

NO! It isn't! Health insurance is not like Life insurance which is not like Auto insurance. It's sad you have to twist yourself into a pretzel in order to defend what is quite obviously President Moron blabbering on about something of which he knows nothing. Do you think health insurance costs $12 a year? Really?

Auto drivers get better rates if they have a better record and you won't find anyone to insure your accident while uninsured. It's a pool and the libs want healthy people to subsidize those who don't take care of themselves. The started it in this state long ago so I knew how obiecare would play out.

That isn't what Trump said, you stupid bastard.

 

[Iceweasel]

Insurance is like insurance, that's the point.

NO! It isn't! Health insurance is not like Life insurance which is not like Auto insurance. It's sad you have to twist yourself into a pretzel in order to defend what is quite obviously President Moron blabbering on about something of which he knows nothing. Do you think health insurance costs $12 a year? Really?

Auto drivers get better rates if they have a better record and you won't find anyone to insure your accident while uninsured. It's a pool and the libs want healthy people to subsidize those who don't take care of themselves. The started it in this state long ago so I knew how obiecare would play out.

That isn't what Trump said, you stupid bastard.

I said nothing about Trump, you need to learn how to breathe while you read. Insurance has a meaning, there are different types and policies but it is a pool to lower costs.

Better drivers get better rates. That's a fact. How did that point fly over your head.

 

[The Derp]

I said nothing about Trump, you need to learn how to breathe while you read. Insurance has a meaning, there are different types and policies but it is a pool to lower costs.

Right...I get that. So, wouldn't one single pool mean cheaper costs for everyone? So what's the problem with single payer, then? You say right here that insurance pools money together. OK, so what happens if everyone pools their money together into one single pool and from that single pool all providers nationwide are reimbursed? Why is that a no-go for Conservatives?

 

[Iceweasel]

I said nothing about Trump, you need to learn how to breathe while you read. Insurance has a meaning, there are different types and policies but it is a pool to lower costs.

Right...I get that. So, wouldn't one single pool mean cheaper costs for everyone? So what's the problem with single payer, then? You say right here that insurance pools money together. OK, so what happens if everyone pools their money together into one single pool and from that single pool all providers nationwide are reimbursed? Why is that a no-go for Conservatives?

Because it's like forcing you into a pool that includes bad drivers. No more discount for a good record. Plus you may prefer some options like total coverage, collision, underinsured, etc.

 

[The Derp]

Because it's like forcing you into a pool that includes bad drivers. No more discount for a good record.

So...first of all, a lot of health problems are genetic, which means patients have no control over them. So you want to punish people for their genetics. Second of all, what happens if you are no longer healthy? Then you move from the pool of healthy people to the pool of sick people, but you're still fragmenting pools, you realize? Which means you're not reducing costs. If the principle of insurance is that you pool your money with everyone else in order to mitigate risk, doesn't it make sense to have everyone in the same pool, that way everyone's risk is the same? You may be healthy now, but you don't know if you will be tomorrow, or a year from now, or 10 years from now.

So why do you want to punish people for things that are out of their control? I think it's because you're an asshole, and you want to prove to everyone that you're a rugged individualist when you're not by over-compensating. It's a lot like how my cat behaves; he thinks that he's independent, yet he is wholly dependent on me for survival.

 

[tigerred59]

This is the universal problem with Conservatives...they have absolutely no idea what the fuck they're talking about. The ideas Trump expressed are no sillier than those expressed by Conservatives on these boards. In all cases, they're a bunch of idiot know-nothings.

From Trump's NYT interview:

As they get something, it gets tougher. Because politically, you can’t give it away. So preexisting conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan. Here’s something where you walk up and say, “I want my insurance.” It’s a very tough deal, but it is something that we’re doing a good job of.
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Just more proof the troglodytes were wrong to have voted for this goofball. Yeesh.

Your title is misleading.....Trump doesn't "think", there in lies the problem!!

 

[The Derp]

Your title is misleading.....Trump doesn't "think", there in lies the problem!!

Touche.

 

[Iceweasel]

Because it's like forcing you into a pool that includes bad drivers. No more discount for a good record.

So...first of all, a lot of health problems are genetic, which means patients have no control over them. So you want to punish people for their genetics. Second of all, what happens if you are no longer healthy? Then you move from the pool of healthy people to the pool of sick people, but you're still fragmenting pools, you realize? Which means you're not reducing costs. If the principle of insurance is that you pool your money with everyone else in order to mitigate risk, doesn't it make sense to have everyone in the same pool, that way everyone's risk is the same? You may be healthy now, but you don't know if you will be tomorrow, or a year from now, or 10 years from now.

So why do you want to punish people for things that are out of their control? I think it's because you're an asshole, and you want to prove to everyone that you're a rugged individualist when you're not by over-compensating. It's a lot like how my cat behaves; he thinks that he's independent, yet he is wholly dependent on me for survival.

You like speaking for people to make your case. Your thinking is that life isn't fair and we all need to chip in for the sake of fairness. To even the score. Life never was and never can be fair. Some people are better looking, taller, healthier. Some are born blind, deaf, not too bright, etc.

Since I don't agree we should take from one to give to another. You expect conservatives to agree with socialism. Someone with a problem can pay the higher premium that cover their condition. If you want to care for them you can start a company that offers a high risk pool.

 

[The Derp]

You like speaking for people to make your case. Your thinking is that life isn't fair and we all need to chip in for the sake of fairness. To even the score. Life never was and never can be fair. Some people are better looking, taller, healthier. Some are born blind, deaf, not too bright, etc.

If you don't want to be altruistic, then be selfish. It doesn't matter because as I said before, you have no idea if you will be struck down by a major illness tomorrow. So better to hedge that risk by participating in an insurance pool with everyone else, right? Both to whom it has happened and to whom it might happen. That's the point of insurance. You don't know what your health will be day-to-day so you hedge your risk by paying premiums into an insurance pool.

Why don't you people understand the concept of insurance?

ince I don't agree we should take from one to give to another. You expect conservatives to agree with socialism. Someone with a problem can pay the higher premium that cover their condition. If you want to care for them you can start a company that offers a high risk pool.

Health insurance is socialism in concept. You have this childish reaction to the word "socialism", but it's always apparent you have no fucking idea what that word even means.

So when you inevitably get a health care problem, you're OK with having to pay more? Or is this a case of everyone should do it but you?

You people are idiots, plain and simple. High-risk pools don't work. We've already tried them numerous times and every time they fail. So what is your problem that you insist on doing things we already know don't work? Is it a matter of ego at this point, and you just don't want to admit that you're wrong? Get over yourself.

 

[The Derp]

The more people in an insurance pool, the lower the premiums. But Conservatives don't understand this because Conservatives are stupid. There's no other explanation that makes sense.

 

[The Derp]

Someone with a problem

So what happens if that problem doesn't manifest until later in life? You're saying that as soon as they get a problem, you kick them out of the insurance pool and force them into a high-risk one? How does that make any sense, particularly if the problem was something out of the person's control?

You are a complete and total shithead. No wonder cruelty and selfishness are your only guiding principles.