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are now acting as if the credit downgrade is a disaster,
and it's Obama's fault?
Seriously? Did they really think default would not also lead to a credit downgrade??
Didn't they think that default would be no big deal? That we'd just pay the interest and everything would be fine??
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Michele Bachmann voted against raising the debt and definitely did want to default;
now she's ranting about how the president is to blame for this horrible downgrade.
She WANTED a downgrade, and more. As did any and all conservatives who were willing to default.
That is NOT what the downgraders said.
Not many have benefited so much as Michelle Bachmann and her husband from our "welfare state". This woman is absolutely laughable. The scary part is a lot of people support her thinking, while ignoring her real life experience.
If Obama had gotten what he wanted, we still would have been downgraded.
So, he - Obama - poisoned our rating.
Michele Bachmann voted against raising the debt and definitely did want to default;
now she's ranting about how the president is to blame for this horrible downgrade.
She WANTED a downgrade, and more. As did any and all conservatives who were willing to default.
Not many have benefited so much as Michelle Bachmann and her husband from our "welfare state". This woman is absolutely laughable. The scary part is a lot of people support her thinking, while ignoring her real life experience.
If Obama had gotten what he wanted, we still would have been downgraded.
So, he - Obama - poisoned our rating.
No, it's very clear that is was dedication to ideology over country that drove down the credit rating. Obama, the Dems, the GOP and particularly the Tea Party are all responsible.
If Obama had gotten what he wanted, we still would have been downgraded.
So, he - Obama - poisoned our rating.
No, it's very clear that is was dedication to ideology over country that drove down the credit rating. Obama, the Dems, the GOP and particularly the Tea Party are all responsible.
The downgrade was because our spending was out of control and the Tea Party are the only ones who want to actually cut spending. And that's "ideology" and they are "responsible" as well. Buy a clue, my friend...
It was the wrangling, stupid...
I agree. The cluster fuck known at the "negotiation process" probably did as much to contribute to this as anything.
Now that it is obvious that Dems and Republicans can't work together for any sort of meaningful compromise, the future looks bleak.
It was the wrangling, stupid...
I agree. The cluster fuck known at the "negotiation process" probably did as much to contribute to this as anything.
Now that it is obvious that Dems and Republicans can't work together for any sort of meaningful compromise, the future looks bleak.
When each is only concerned about their political futures and not about the future of the economy and of the Nation...well, let me just say I've got property, wildlife and plenty of ammunition...
If Obama wanted a default, he wouldn't have signed the compromise
Actually he would because then even with the liberal media spreading the lie we were going to "default" (interest payments are $20 billion/month, tax revenue is $200 billion/month), it would be hard to explain why we didn't default. He absolutely had to sign it.
The downgrade is clearly a consequence of the TPM’s tactic of obstruction, extremism, and lies. The financial well being is clearly the responsibility of Congress, the House in particular, given its Constitutional mandate to control the purse strings. Congress alone is responsible to pass legislation in a timely manner to ensure the Nation’s financial house is in order.
At this the House has failed miserably. And to blame Obama is an insult to the intelligence of the American people, their disdain for Congress and the TPM is evidence they know the GOP is responsible for this and other economic failures.
The tragedy of this is, of course, it could have all be avoided. Had the House acted responsibly and worked with the Senate and president to develop a plan to heal the economy, faith in the debt and markets would be much higher. Instead they elected to play partisan politics, to make ‘getting rid of Obama’ their number one priority, not jobs and the economic recovery.
If Obama wanted a default, he wouldn't have signed the compromise
Actually he would because then even with the liberal media spreading the lie we were going to "default" (interest payments are $20 billion/month, tax revenue is $200 billion/month), it would be hard to explain why we didn't default. He absolutely had to sign it.
The oh so predictable "Liberal Media Conspiracy".
Fail.
are now acting as if the credit downgrade is a disaster,
and it's Obama's fault?
Seriously? Did they really think default would not also lead to a credit downgrade??
Didn't they think that default would be no big deal? That we'd just pay the interest and everything would be fine??
Actually he would because then even with the liberal media spreading the lie we were going to "default" (interest payments are $20 billion/month, tax revenue is $200 billion/month), it would be hard to explain why we didn't default. He absolutely had to sign it.
The oh so predictable "Liberal Media Conspiracy".
Fail.
Note I gave facts and you gave me a subjective waive of the hand talking point. Typical liberal argument. Since I did give you facts, rather then farting why don't you address the point? How would we have "defaulted" since we get 10 times the tax revenue it would have taken to continue the payments?
Michele Bachmann voted against raising the debt and definitely did want to default;
now she's ranting about how the president is to blame for this horrible downgrade.
She WANTED a downgrade, and more. As did any and all conservatives who were willing to default.
I see, first - to quote Modbert-
Cool, so we're defining entire political spectrums by one person now?
in any event, critical thinking is required to parse what I thought was a simple message- we have to deal wiht the issue, not assemble some political attuned patchwork BS, under threat of such we would deal with it, yet? and here we are.
IF that meant ( and I do not agree wholly) default would have focused out minds and forced the changes necessary a downgrade or default would be dim memories, since we would have turned a corner and put ourselves on a sound fiscal/financial footing. that was and IS the key.
So now we're going to pretend that only Michele Bachmann was opposed to raising the debt ceiling?
What a surprise. Another rightwing history revision.
The oh so predictable "Liberal Media Conspiracy".
Fail.
Note I gave facts and you gave me a subjective waive of the hand talking point. Typical liberal argument. Since I did give you facts, rather then farting why don't you address the point? How would we have "defaulted" since we get 10 times the tax revenue it would have taken to continue the payments?
You appear to be confused.
Your speculation on what the future might have held are not "facts".
I see, first - to quote Modbert-
Cool, so we're defining entire political spectrums by one person now?
in any event, critical thinking is required to parse what I thought was a simple message- we have to deal wiht the issue, not assemble some political attuned patchwork BS, under threat of such we would deal with it, yet? and here we are.
IF that meant ( and I do not agree wholly) default would have focused out minds and forced the changes necessary a downgrade or default would be dim memories, since we would have turned a corner and put ourselves on a sound fiscal/financial footing. that was and IS the key.
So now we're going to pretend that only Michele Bachmann was opposed to raising the debt ceiling?
What a surprise. Another rightwing history revision.
Soo answer me this... If the bad budget that passed the house, the Senate and Obama is the reason the US credit was downgraded then wouldn't the people that voted against the bad budget be on to something?
The downgrade happened not because of who voted against it but because the bill was bad, so anyone who voted for it to get it passed caused this.
Note I gave facts and you gave me a subjective waive of the hand talking point. Typical liberal argument. Since I did give you facts, rather then farting why don't you address the point? How would we have "defaulted" since we get 10 times the tax revenue it would have taken to continue the payments?
You appear to be confused.
Your speculation on what the future might have held are not "facts".
Why don't you not quote posts if you're not going to address them? You know you can just create a post, you don't have to "quote" one.
I see, first - to quote Modbert-
Cool, so we're defining entire political spectrums by one person now?
in any event, critical thinking is required to parse what I thought was a simple message- we have to deal wiht the issue, not assemble some political attuned patchwork BS, under threat of such we would deal with it, yet? and here we are.
IF that meant ( and I do not agree wholly) default would have focused out minds and forced the changes necessary a downgrade or default would be dim memories, since we would have turned a corner and put ourselves on a sound fiscal/financial footing. that was and IS the key.
So now we're going to pretend that only Michele Bachmann was opposed to raising the debt ceiling?
What a surprise. Another rightwing history revision.
Soo answer me this... If the bad budget that passed the house, the Senate and Obama is the reason the US credit was downgraded then wouldn't the people that voted against the bad budget be on to something?
The downgrade happened not because of who voted against it but because the bill was bad, so anyone who voted for it to get it passed caused this.
