So the republican solution to our healthcare system is as little government as possible right?

[deanrd]

Of course Republicans want as little government as possible.

They don't want oversight as they loot the country.

Yet, they want to legislate women's bodies.

Ironic.

 

[danielpalos]

You must allege to subscribe to the Republican doctrine.

No. I’m a Conservative and generally an Authoritarian.

i am a federalist. i understand our federal Constitution.

our general welfare clause is expressly declared general, not common.

 

[Anathema]

i am a federalist. i understand our federal Constitution.

our general welfare clause is expressly declared general, not common.

Then this is at least a Socialist if not Communist nation and deserves to be wiped off the face of the Esrth at the earliest possible moment.

 

[danielpalos]

i am a federalist. i understand our federal Constitution.

our general welfare clause is expressly declared general, not common.

Then this is at least a Socialist if not Communist nation and deserves to be wiped off the face of the Esrth at the earliest possible moment.

why is that?

 

[Clementine]

In many respects reflected from world history, it is reasonable to suggest that too much government is not a good thing. However, “too much” is a very relative concept. There really is such a thing as “too little of government” and I mean that beyond the measure of anarchy as an alternative. Government, when designed properly, can benefit the lives of its citizens.
ACA is an important point to raise in the this topic. While it is certainly flawed and has failed in some of its promises in terms of affordability, it’s never the less improved healthcare in many ways. It has not changed that ACA has protection for pre-existing conditions for anyone who has health insurance. There is also a much higher cap for how much an insurance policy will cover for a medical event. The cap used to be 500,000 but it became 1,000,000 thanks to ACA. Now you can argue that ACA undermines the definition of insurance, but the point here is that healthcare should not be treated like insurance.

Corporate lobbyists own our politicians. Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are slaves to big money. They are guided more by money than by principle. Both parties are bitches to special interests.

The goal of these lobbyists is to strengthen the power of the corporation’s will and to have less regulation by the government. With less government, what is to prevent the healthcare industry from undermining the healthcare their consumers need?

This is already true.

Insurance company: “Hey guess what, if you pay $600 a month, we will eliminate your deductible for basic healthcare needs!”

The point is that Big Pharma has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for their shareholders. This includes undermining the plan the consumer signed up for to save money. Business is business after all.

Only government can ensure that consumers get basic healthcare services.

The projected costs for Bernie Sanders big plan would cost about as much as the current annual budget. That means taxes would have to immediately double to pay for it. At some point, like in Britain, they know they can't raise taxes anymore so they start rationing care. People die in Britain because they aren't receiving prompt care or quality care.

Bernie wants to outlaw private insurance. I guess that is typical lib thinking. If someone can't afford it, then no one else should have it, either. So, our choice will be taken from us by the party that pretends to be all about choice. Stay the fuck out of my healthcare, leftists.

 

[12icer]

Stupid people want socialist healthcare, so do incompetent doctors. Worthless doctors can butcher people and not get sued, the insurance companies just kick off all their patients like they did when the dimshits passed the first big theft bill. Then they pay the dimshits like they did the last time, close the healthcare section of their companies, and take all of the trust fund money and split it up. Then they start a New company with everything the same but the name and sell burial insurance and supplemental hospital and cancer insurance. It pays directly to you!!! But the govt sues and gets it anyway.

Dimocrat voters are the stupidest things on earth even amoeba know enough to protect themselves, dims love their slavemasters.

 

[Anathema]

why is that?

Socialism, in all its forms is inherently immoral. Socialism suggests that one is more responsible to help other people than themselves. Personal Responsibility is the heart and soul of Moral life. ANY philosophy or social paradigm that runs contrary to thst is automatically contrary to proper human life.

 

[Mac1958]

why is that?

Socialism, in all its forms is inherently immoral. Socialism suggests that one is more responsible to help other people than themselves. Personal Responsibility is the heart and soul of Moral life. ANY philosophy or social paradigm that runs contrary to thst is automatically contrary to proper human life.

Who makes the rules on what "proper human life" is?
.

 

[Anathema]

Who makes the rules on what "proper human life" is?

It was determined by the Divine forces that created the Universe st the moment of its creation.

Humans were given the ability and option to choose to ignore our innate instincts as a means to test our Souls in order to determine the value of that Soul.

 

[forkup]

In many respects reflected from world history, it is reasonable to suggest that too much government is not a good thing. However, “too much” is a very relative concept. There really is such a thing as “too little of government” and I mean that beyond the measure of anarchy as an alternative. Government, when designed properly, can benefit the lives of its citizens.
ACA is an important point to raise in the this topic. While it is certainly flawed and has failed in some of its promises in terms of affordability, it’s never the less improved healthcare in many ways. It has not changed that ACA has protection for pre-existing conditions for anyone who has health insurance. There is also a much higher cap for how much an insurance policy will cover for a medical event. The cap used to be 500,000 but it became 1,000,000 thanks to ACA. Now you can argue that ACA undermines the definition of insurance, but the point here is that healthcare should not be treated like insurance.

Corporate lobbyists own our politicians. Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are slaves to big money. They are guided more by money than by principle. Both parties are bitches to special interests.

The goal of these lobbyists is to strengthen the power of the corporation’s will and to have less regulation by the government. With less government, what is to prevent the healthcare industry from undermining the healthcare their consumers need?

This is already true.

Insurance company: “Hey guess what, if you pay $600 a month, we will eliminate your deductible for basic healthcare needs!”

The point is that Big Pharma has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for their shareholders. This includes undermining the plan the consumer signed up for to save money. Business is business after all.

Only government can ensure that consumers get basic healthcare services.

The projected costs for Bernie Sanders big plan would cost about as much as the current annual budget. That means taxes would have to immediately double to pay for it. At some point, like in Britain, they know they can't raise taxes anymore so they start rationing care. People die in Britain because they aren't receiving prompt care or quality care.

Bernie wants to outlaw private insurance. I guess that is typical lib thinking. If someone can't afford it, then no one else should have it, either. So, our choice will be taken from us by the party that pretends to be all about choice. Stay the fuck out of my healthcare, leftists.

In my country, it does work for way cheaper then in the US and there is no such thing here as rationing. In other words I live in a country were government is the healthcare provider and they do it better and way cheaper then in your country.

 

[forkup]

why is that?

Socialism, in all its forms is inherently immoral. Socialism suggests that one is more responsible to help other people than themselves. Personal Responsibility is the heart and soul of Moral life. ANY philosophy or social paradigm that runs contrary to thst is automatically contrary to proper human life.

Utter bull. Socialism presumes that people have a responsibility to society as a whole. It does not say anything about absolving yourself from responsibility. A society can not function if everybody simply think of themselves. Who would join the military? Become a firefighter? Fund roads? In fact human nature is based on cooperation of groups of people. Without it we wouldn't even have made it beyond cave dwellers.

 

[Anathema]

Utter bull. Socialism presumes that people have a responsibility to society as a whole. It does not say anything about absolving yourself from responsibility. A society can not function if everybody simply think of themselves. Who would join the military? Become a firefighter? Fund roads? In fact human nature is based on cooperation of groups of people. Without it we wouldn't even have made it beyond cave dwellers.

Socialism demands one place a higher value on Socity’s desires and needs than an individual’s needs.

People CHOOSE to join the military or other public services in a proper society. They choose to bond together and have a say in the Government. If they disagree with decisions, they have the opportunity to leave and go somewhere where people agre with them.

In Socialist societies they are FORCED to join the military. They have little to no say in Government. Often they have no option to leave if they disagree with the Government. The Government tells them what to do, how to do it, when and where. There is no personal responsibility because there are no individuals, there is only the Government/Country.

 

[danielpalos]

why is that?

Socialism, in all its forms is inherently immoral. Socialism suggests that one is more responsible to help other people than themselves. Personal Responsibility is the heart and soul of Moral life. ANY philosophy or social paradigm that runs contrary to thst is automatically contrary to proper human life.

That is merely right wing propaganda and rhetoric.

In our anecdotal, US case, our Founding Fathers told us it is Necessary and Ordained and Established our form of Social-ism, via our Constitution and supreme (social) law of the land.

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers.

The Federalist Number Two

 

[debbiedowner]

In many respects reflected from world history, it is reasonable to suggest that too much government is not a good thing. However, “too much” is a very relative concept. There really is such a thing as “too little of government” and I mean that beyond the measure of anarchy as an alternative. Government, when designed properly, can benefit the lives of its citizens.
ACA is an important point to raise in the this topic. While it is certainly flawed and has failed in some of its promises in terms of affordability, it’s never the less improved healthcare in many ways. It has not changed that ACA has protection for pre-existing conditions for anyone who has health insurance. There is also a much higher cap for how much an insurance policy will cover for a medical event. The cap used to be 500,000 but it became 1,000,000 thanks to ACA. Now you can argue that ACA undermines the definition of insurance, but the point here is that healthcare should not be treated like insurance.

Corporate lobbyists own our politicians. Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are slaves to big money. They are guided more by money than by principle. Both parties are bitches to special interests.

The goal of these lobbyists is to strengthen the power of the corporation’s will and to have less regulation by the government. With less government, what is to prevent the healthcare industry from undermining the healthcare their consumers need?

This is already true.

Insurance company: “Hey guess what, if you pay $600 a month, we will eliminate your deductible for basic healthcare needs!”

The point is that Big Pharma has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for their shareholders. This includes undermining the plan the consumer signed up for to save money. Business is business after all.

Only government can ensure that consumers get basic healthcare services.

The projected costs for Bernie Sanders big plan would cost about as much as the current annual budget. That means taxes would have to immediately double to pay for it. At some point, like in Britain, they know they can't raise taxes anymore so they start rationing care. People die in Britain because they aren't receiving prompt care or quality care.

Bernie wants to outlaw private insurance. I guess that is typical lib thinking. If someone can't afford it, then no one else should have it, either. So, our choice will be taken from us by the party that pretends to be all about choice. Stay the fuck out of my healthcare, leftists.

No you're wrong it would save because everyone VA, Tricare, Medicaid, etc would fall under Medicare for all, the savings would be under these programs and just shifting of monies.But the only way Bernie's plan would ever pass is to leave the insurance companies into the equation with Medicare Advantage plans and to administer the claims for Medicare.

 

[Anathema]

[QUOTE="danielpalos, post: 21255006, member: 53092”]In our anecdotal, US case, our Founding Fathers told us it is Necessary and Ordained and Established our form of Social-ism, via our Constitution and supreme (social) law of the land.[/QUOTE]

The Founders created an extremely limited Federal Government, with far greater power placed in the hands of individuals and local Governments. Abraham Lincoln and FDR destroyed all pretenses of a Strong Local-Weak Federal Government as laid out in the Constitution; thereby sending us hurtling down a path to massive Socialism in this nation as we see today.

In my mind both of those men are no better than Stalin, Marx and Mao. Lincoln himself was directly responsible for the death of 600,000 men.

 

[debbiedowner]

If you get government completely out of healthcare do you think those doctor's and hospital's are going to bring their prices down and years of accepting negotiated rates by Medicare and Insurance companies? Hell no they're not they have bills to pays too.

 

[dblack]

insurance companies ... administer the claims for Medicare.

Insurance companies don't "administer the claims" for Medicare. They sell the government group insurance for Medicare. Just like they sell group plans to employers. They profit from it, they deny claims, all just the same way they do now. You make it sound like they're performing clerical duties for minimum wage, but the fact is, big insurance is getting 60% of it's revenue from Medicare. They're profiting from it 'bigly'. And they would profit from "single-payer" even more.

 

[danielpalos]

[QUOTE="danielpalos, post: 21255006, member: 53092”]In our anecdotal, US case, our Founding Fathers told us it is Necessary and Ordained and Established our form of Social-ism, via our Constitution and supreme (social) law of the land.

The Founders created an extremely limited Federal Government, with far greater power placed in the hands of individuals and local Governments. Abraham Lincoln and FDR destroyed all pretenses of a Strong Local-Weak Federal Government as laid out in the Constitution; thereby sending us hurtling down a path to massive Socialism in this nation as we see today.

In my mind both of those men are no better than Stalin, Marx and Mao. Lincoln himself was directly responsible for the death of 600,000 men.

What a difference a Constitution can make; we have a federal Republic. Thank Goodness, FDR was a left winger.

 

[Anathema]

If you get government completely out of healthcare do you think those doctor's and hospital's are going to bring their prices down and years of accepting negotiated rates by Medicare and Insurance companies? Hell no they're not they have bills to pays too.

Yep. However, they will NOT have the constant financial losses of being forced to service individuals who don’t have insurance or who can’t pay for their own services. That alone will help regulate pricing.

 

[Anathema]

What a difference a Constitution can make; we have a federal Republic. Thank Goodness, FDR was a left winger.

LOL. Neither Lincoln nor FDR gave a fuck about the US Constitution. They’re the two largest destructors of the Constitution and paved the way for the Reagans, Clinton’s, Besh’s And Obama’s who merelybignored the tattered remains of the document.