So the republican solution to our healthcare system is as little government as possible right?

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What is unconstitutional about it? It provides for the general welfare.

General Wekfare and Common Defense are defined further on in the Section by 18 specific items. Healthcare is not listed.

where are alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror defined in those eighteen specific items?

Let's make a deal.

No more wars AND I get a machine gun without needing to join the national guard.

Deal?

.

 

[danielpalos]

What is unconstitutional about it? It provides for the general welfare.

General Wekfare and Common Defense are defined further on in the Section by 18 specific items. Healthcare is not listed.

where are alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror defined in those eighteen specific items?

Let's make a deal.

No more wars AND I get a machine gun without needing to join the national guard.

Deal?

.

You have to be in an organized militia; it could be a State militia.

 

[Anathema]

where are alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror defined in those eighteen specific items?

Terror and Drugs fall largely under National Defense. The war on crime should be almost exclusively a State and Local issue.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What is unconstitutional about it? It provides for the general welfare.

General Wekfare and Common Defense are defined further on in the Section by 18 specific items. Healthcare is not listed.

where are alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror defined in those eighteen specific items?

Let's make a deal.

No more wars AND I get a machine gun without needing to join the national guard.

Deal?

.

You have to be in an organized militia; it could be a State militia.

No wars, and I get machine guns. Nonorganized militia required. That's the deal.

 

[eagle7_31]

In many respects reflected from world history, it is reasonable to suggest that too much government is not a good thing. However, “too much” is a very relative concept. There really is such a thing as “too little of government” and I mean that beyond the measure of anarchy as an alternative. Government, when designed properly, can benefit the lives of its citizens.
ACA is an important point to raise in the this topic. While it is certainly flawed and has failed in some of its promises in terms of affordability, it’s never the less improved healthcare in many ways. It has not changed that ACA has protection for pre-existing conditions for anyone who has health insurance. There is also a much higher cap for how much an insurance policy will cover for a medical event. The cap used to be 500,000 but it became 1,000,000 thanks to ACA. Now you can argue that ACA undermines the definition of insurance, but the point here is that healthcare should not be treated like insurance.

Corporate lobbyists own our politicians. Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are slaves to big money. They are guided more by money than by principle. Both parties are bitches to special interests.

The goal of these lobbyists is to strengthen the power of the corporation’s will and to have less regulation by the government. With less government, what is to prevent the healthcare industry from undermining the healthcare their consumers need?

This is already true.

Insurance company: “Hey guess what, if you pay $600 a month, we will eliminate your deductible for basic healthcare needs!”

The point is that Big Pharma has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for their shareholders. This includes undermining the plan the consumer signed up for to save money. Business is business after all.

Only government can ensure that consumers get basic healthcare services.

Robert C. Koons: Trump should boldly embrace a conservative single-payer system

I have posted this solution before, had Trump been able to get this or something very similar through last year the GOP might still have control of the House though by a narrow margin.

 

[DOTR]

Honey child, Billy000 Boo Boo. You can't afford it. And neither can our government. Is it clear for you now? Just because you think you can spend someone else's money doesn't not mean however many mental gymnastics you pull justifies doing so.

Oh and the excuses you give for people spending money that they don't have doesn't work either. Which would explain why you are lost in confusion.

Oh it’s definitely affordable. The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any nation on earth.

And we have the best on earth. When we go to Houston for my daughter's treatments the waiting rooms sound like a UN meeting. And thats just patients. The best doctors in the world get here as quick as they can as well.

Yes, our quality is top notch, but that doesn’t mean shit if most people can’t afford it.

It means everything. What kind of fool are you to take reduced quality healthcare or to claim quality doesn't mean anything?
What stopped you from setting up a parallel system without messing with mine?

 

[Billy000]

Honey child, Billy000 Boo Boo. You can't afford it. And neither can our government. Is it clear for you now? Just because you think you can spend someone else's money doesn't not mean however many mental gymnastics you pull justifies doing so.

Oh and the excuses you give for people spending money that they don't have doesn't work either. Which would explain why you are lost in confusion.

Oh it’s definitely affordable. The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any nation on earth.

And we have the best on earth. When we go to Houston for my daughter's treatments the waiting rooms sound like a UN meeting. And thats just patients. The best doctors in the world get here as quick as they can as well.

Yes, our quality is top notch, but that doesn’t mean shit if most people can’t afford it.

It means everything. What kind of fool are you to take reduced quality healthcare or to claim quality doesn't mean anything?
What stopped you from setting up a parallel system without messing with mine?

If you think healthcare is bad in Western Europe or Australia, you are sorely mistaken. There’s no need to mess with yours. We just need a public option.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Precisely. I take care of MY kids. YOU take care of YOUR kids.

yet, we can allegedly afford alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

Those are mandated to the federal government.

providing for the general welfare not the common welfare is mandated to the federal government.

Nor the individual welfare.

or the institutional warfare.

Please make sense so that I can respond.

 

[danielpalos]

where are alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror defined in those eighteen specific items?

Terror and Drugs fall largely under National Defense. The war on crime should be almost exclusively a State and Local issue.

Our general welfare clause is general, not common.

 

[danielpalos]

What is unconstitutional about it? It provides for the general welfare.

General Wekfare and Common Defense are defined further on in the Section by 18 specific items. Healthcare is not listed.

where are alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror defined in those eighteen specific items?

Let's make a deal.

No more wars AND I get a machine gun without needing to join the national guard.

Deal?

.

You have to be in an organized militia; it could be a State militia.

No wars, and I get machine guns. Nonorganized militia required. That's the deal.

stop being a drama queen and register for a class three licence.

 

[danielpalos]

yet, we can allegedly afford alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

Those are mandated to the federal government.

providing for the general welfare not the common welfare is mandated to the federal government.

Nor the individual welfare.

or the institutional warfare.

Please make sense so that I can respond.

We have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause. Words expressly matter.

 

[Anathema]

Our general welfare clause is general, not common.

Exactly. The General Welfare of the NATION (not individual citizens); as defined by the eighteen items listed later in the Section.

 

[danielpalos]

Our general welfare clause is general, not common.

Exactly. The General Welfare of the NATION (not individual citizens); as defined by the eighteen items listed later in the Section.

I am not sure what you mean. A general welfare clause must be able to consider any given contingency. In our case, we should be promoting the general welfare at every opportunity.

 

[Anathema]

I am not sure what you mean. A general welfare clause must be able to consider any given contingency. In our case, we should up promoting the general welfare at every opportunity.

No. Not at all. The first clause of the Section defines the general purpose of the Section. The other seventeen clauses then continue on to lay out the specific definition and limitations on the ideal of “general welfare and common defense”.

How do we know this...

The Tenth Amendment limits the Federal Government to those powers which are listed in the Constitution, and reserves all other power to the State and the People. If that first clause of Article I Section 8 was intended to be broad and unfettered, it would be in direct opposition to the Tenth Amendment.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not sure what you mean. A general welfare clause must be able to consider any given contingency. In our case, we should up promoting the general welfare at every opportunity.

No. Not at all. The first clause of the Section defines the general purpose of the Section. The other seventeen clauses then continue on to lay out the specific definition and limitations on the ideal of “general welfare and common defense”.

How do we know this...

The Tenth Amendment limits the Federal Government to those powers which are listed in the Constitution, and reserves all other power to the State and the People. If that first clause of Article I Section 8 was intended to be broad and unfettered, it would be in direct opposition to the Tenth Amendment.

That is not how it reads.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

that clearly expresses the reason for delegating Congress the social Power to Tax.

 

[Anathema]

that clearly expresses the reason for delegating Congress the social Power to Tax.

I could not disagree with that statement any more than I do. No point in arguing as neither of us will change our viewpoint.

I will say this... if you view is correct, then the USA is no better than the USSR, the North Koreans, the ChiComs or Venezuela and the entire Government deserves to be overthrown immediately.

 

[danielpalos]

that clearly expresses the reason for delegating Congress the social Power to Tax.

I could not disagree with that statement any more than I do. No point in arguing as neither of us will change our viewpoint.

I will say this... if you view is correct, then the USA is no better than the USSR, the North Koreans, the ChiComs or Venezuela and the entire Government deserves to be overthrown immediately.

You must allege to subscribe to the Republican doctrine.

Here is the verbiage:

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

the means, justified by the end.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Those are mandated to the federal government.

providing for the general welfare not the common welfare is mandated to the federal government.

Nor the individual welfare.

or the institutional warfare.

Please make sense so that I can respond.

We have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause. Words expressly matter.

We desperately need a STUPID button for posts such as yours.

 

[danielpalos]

providing for the general welfare not the common welfare is mandated to the federal government.

Nor the individual welfare.

or the institutional warfare.

Please make sense so that I can respond.

We have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause. Words expressly matter.

We desperately need a STUPID button for posts such as yours.

i am not the one resorting to fallacy instead of a valid argument.

 

[Anathema]

You must allege to subscribe to the Republican doctrine.

No. I’m a Conservative and generally an Authoritarian.