So much for Wind Energy in Britain...if taxpayers can't prop it up, they can't afford it...

[2aguy]

The wind industry in Britain is over........the wind doesn't blow....or something...

England Giving Up On Wind Power

Hugh McNeal, chief executive of the British wind industry’s trade body, has acknowledgedthat with subsidies at an end, there won’t be any more wind turbine projects in England. Why? The wind doesn’t blow hard enough:

We are almost certainly not talking about the possibility of new plants in England. The project economics wouldn’t work; the wind speeds don’t allow for it.

Then, of course, there is “the cost of operating a conventional fleet of almost unchanged size to guarantee security of supply.” In other words, you can’t count on the wind blowing (just as you can’t count on the Sun shining), so no matter how many turbines you build, you still have to have enough coal, gas or nuclear plants to meet peak demand.

Soooooooooo....we told you so.....

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Or so we are assured by another rightwing site.

 

[Old Rocks]

BBC - Weather Centre - Climate Change - Wind Power

Wind Power

The UK's position in the world makes it one of the best locations for using renewable energy – we certainly get wind and occasionally some sun! In fact, in Europe, we get the most suitable weather for renewable energy systems to work.

The most common way of getting energy from the wind is through setting up 'Wind farms'. The first wind farm was set up in November 1991. In 2007, approximately 1.5% of UK electricity was generated by wind power (with a total of around 4.5% of UK electricity coming from all renewable sources. As of May 1 2009 there are 211 operational wind farms in the UK, with 2,434 turbines and 3,391 MW of installed capacity.

When they were first introduced wind farms were very expensive form of energy, however over the years, initial costs have fallen, and therefore the cost of getting electricity from the wind has dropped considerably.

The UK government, along with others around the globe have introduced initiatives and proposals to ensure more of our energy comes from renewable energy. The 2009 UK Budget included a significant boost for offshore wind power that could amount to £525m between 2011 and 2014. Fears had previously been expressed that large projects would be abandoned or mothballed because of the difficulties in raising finance. While the ground on which the turbines are positioned can still be used for agricultural purposes.

Wind will remain a component of the UK power picture. And there are plenty of areas in Scotland where the wind speeds are more than adequate.

Wind turbine boss admits no more should be built in England

Wind turbine boss admits no more should be built in England because it isn't windy enough

• Hugh McNeal, chief executive of RenewableUK, made the admission
• He said farms could still be built in other parts of the UK, like Scotland
• Over 4000 wind turbines are currently powering 4 million homes in the UK
• Conservative government has ended controversial wind subsidy system

Government research suggests that there is still 425 megawatts of capacity in England in the turbine planning system, but this is far less than in Scotland, reported The Telegraph.

Read more: Wind turbine boss admits no more should be built in England
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Read more: Wind turbine boss admits no more should be built in England
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[MACAULAY]

LOL. Or so we are assured by another rightwing site.

_________

Well, if you are willing to make that your Refutation of the O. P.----then you must have a left-wing site which completely refutes the FACTS alleged in the PO.---

Did that did that Wind-Loon actually NOT say that Wind energy was dead, dead, dead without Government Support....after a long experiment with Government Support? Did he not say Wind Energy would not work in England...after a very expensive tax-payer experiment?-----Do you have him denying he ever said such a thing.

We wait. But you have nothing...because you are a liberal asshole who thinks mere negative imputations of the messenger is sufficient to refute the message. It is not.

Liberals continue to base the authority of their arguments on the fact that they are smarter than us Heartland Rubes...but they continue to show themselves the poorest informed of all posters on this message board...and the least able to defend their ridiculous positions.

 

[IcebergSlim]

The wind industry in Britain is over........the wind doesn't blow....or something...

England Giving Up On Wind Power

Hugh McNeal, chief executive of the British wind industry’s trade body, has acknowledgedthat with subsidies at an end, there won’t be any more wind turbine projects in England. Why? The wind doesn’t blow hard enough:

We are almost certainly not talking about the possibility of new plants in England. The project economics wouldn’t work; the wind speeds don’t allow for it.

Then, of course, there is “the cost of operating a conventional fleet of almost unchanged size to guarantee security of supply.” In other words, you can’t count on the wind blowing (just as you can’t count on the Sun shining), so no matter how many turbines you build, you still have to have enough coal, gas or nuclear plants to meet peak demand.

Soooooooooo....we told you so.....

China is a world leader in wind power generation, with the largest installed capacity of any nation[1] and continued rapid growth in new wind facilities.[2]


With its large land mass and long coastline, China has exceptional wind power resources:[3] it is estimated China has about 2,380 gigawatts (GW) of exploitable capacity on land and 200 GW on the sea.[4]

A wind power turbine in Liu'ao Peninsula, Fujian
In 2015, China added 30.5 GW of wind power generation capacity[5] to reach a total capacity of 145.1 GW,[6] and generated 186.3 TWh of electricity, representing 3.3% of total national electricity consumption.[7] Both China's installed capacity and new capacity in 2015 are the largest in the world by a wide margin, with the next largest market, the United States, adding 8.6 GW in 2015 and having an installed capacity of 74.4 GW.[8] Due to a substantially higher capacity factor, the United States remains, by a slight margin, the world leader when ranked by production, having generated 190.9 TWh of electricity in 2015. China is forecast to have 250 GW of wind capacity by 2020 as part of the government's pledge to produce 15 percent of all electricity from renewable resources in this year.[9]

China has identified wind power as a key growth component of the country's economy;[10] researchers from Harvard and Tsinghua University have found that China could meet all of their electricity demands from wind power through 2030.[11]

Wind power in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[2aguy]

The wind industry in Britain is over........the wind doesn't blow....or something...

England Giving Up On Wind Power

Hugh McNeal, chief executive of the British wind industry’s trade body, has acknowledgedthat with subsidies at an end, there won’t be any more wind turbine projects in England. Why? The wind doesn’t blow hard enough:

We are almost certainly not talking about the possibility of new plants in England. The project economics wouldn’t work; the wind speeds don’t allow for it.

Then, of course, there is “the cost of operating a conventional fleet of almost unchanged size to guarantee security of supply.” In other words, you can’t count on the wind blowing (just as you can’t count on the Sun shining), so no matter how many turbines you build, you still have to have enough coal, gas or nuclear plants to meet peak demand.

Soooooooooo....we told you so.....

China is a world leader in wind power generation, with the largest installed capacity of any nation[1] and continued rapid growth in new wind facilities.[2]


With its large land mass and long coastline, China has exceptional wind power resources:[3] it is estimated China has about 2,380 gigawatts (GW) of exploitable capacity on land and 200 GW on the sea.[4]

A wind power turbine in Liu'ao Peninsula, Fujian
In 2015, China added 30.5 GW of wind power generation capacity[5] to reach a total capacity of 145.1 GW,[6] and generated 186.3 TWh of electricity, representing 3.3% of total national electricity consumption.[7] Both China's installed capacity and new capacity in 2015 are the largest in the world by a wide margin, with the next largest market, the United States, adding 8.6 GW in 2015 and having an installed capacity of 74.4 GW.[8] Due to a substantially higher capacity factor, the United States remains, by a slight margin, the world leader when ranked by production, having generated 190.9 TWh of electricity in 2015. China is forecast to have 250 GW of wind capacity by 2020 as part of the government's pledge to produce 15 percent of all electricity from renewable resources in this year.[9]

China has identified wind power as a key growth component of the country's economy;[10] researchers from Harvard and Tsinghua University have found that China could meet all of their electricity demands from wind power through 2030.[11]

Wind power in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes.......the Chinese are telling the truth...right? You trust them to be honest about their own boondoggle.....right?

Here you go...not exactly right wing news....

Why China is having so many problems ramping up wind power



Instead, the findings suggest that the primary challenges to wind power in China involve lower turbine quality, delayed connections to the grid and grid operators failing to transmit wind power to users in favor of other energy sources, such as coal — all of which play about equally important roles.

These issues are capable of putting a substantial dent in China’s wind electricity output, it turns out. The researchers noted that in 2012, China’s wind-generated electricity was 39.3 terawatt-hours less than that of the United States.

“This is a large number — larger than the total amount of wind power generated in the United Kingdom in 2015, which can power around 8 million UK homes,” wrote Joanna Lewis, an associate professor and expert on China’s energy landscape at Georgetown University, in a comment on the new study, also published Monday in Nature Energy.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Or so we are assured by another rightwing site.

_________

Well, if you are willing to make that your Refutation of the O. P.----then you must have a left-wing site which completely refutes the FACTS alleged in the PO.---

Did that did that Wind-Loon actually NOT say that Wind energy was dead, dead, dead without Government Support....after a long experiment with Government Support? Did he not say Wind Energy would not work in England...after a very expensive tax-payer experiment?-----Do you have him denying he ever said such a thing.

We wait. But you have nothing...because you are a liberal asshole who thinks mere negative imputations of the messenger is sufficient to refute the message. It is not.

Liberals continue to base the authority of their arguments on the fact that they are smarter than us Heartland Rubes...but they continue to show themselves the poorest informed of all posters on this message board...and the least able to defend their ridiculous positions.

Now dumb fuck, you apparently did not read post #3. England has limited wind, Scotland has a much larger potential. But the title of the thread was about wind energy in Britain. That usually includes Scotland. Take some remedial reading classes, fellow.

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course, that is Britain and China, but what about the US

WINDExchange: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity
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Installed Wind Capacity
This page has maps of the United States that show installed wind capacity by state and its progression.

 

[Old Rocks]

American wind power sets sights on doubling in five years
Cost cuts, innovation will drive industry to 10% U.S. electricity by 2020, say industry leaders
May 24, 2016

New Orleans, May 24, 2016 — By continuing to advance technology and lower costs, wind power, America’s fastest growing new source of electricity, will stay on pace to grow to supply10 percent of U.S. electricity by 2020. That’s according to leading wind energy executives this morning during the American Wind Energy Association’s WINDPOWER 2016 Conference and Exhibition, as thousands of attendees continued to file into the Western Hemisphere’s largest wind energy industry event all year.

Helping to grow wind energy in the U.S. are a mix of stable federal policy, passed late last year on a bipartisan vote by Congress, forward-looking states raising their renewable energy targets, and corporate and other non-utility buyers aiming to cut carbon pollution and pass savings onto American homeowners and businesses.

“We’ve built an American success story that creates jobs, cuts carbon pollution and cuts costs for American consumers,” said Tom Kiernan, CEO of the association (AWEA). “To continue this success by installing at least eight gigawatts a year through 2020, we need our 88,000 workers to share our story with elected officials, the communities that host our projects, and with all the young people throughout the country.”
American wind power sets sights on doubling in five years

Wind doing very well in the US.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Once more s l o w l y....why do we need to repeat others mistakes to figure out its a mistake....Denmark Germany Spain UK all having grid trouble because of renewables and admit without subsidies it wouldnt be built.........and its not sustainable...shear amount of land needed is ridiculous

 

[IcebergSlim]

The wind industry in Britain is over........the wind doesn't blow....or something...

England Giving Up On Wind Power

Hugh McNeal, chief executive of the British wind industry’s trade body, has acknowledgedthat with subsidies at an end, there won’t be any more wind turbine projects in England. Why? The wind doesn’t blow hard enough:

We are almost certainly not talking about the possibility of new plants in England. The project economics wouldn’t work; the wind speeds don’t allow for it.

Then, of course, there is “the cost of operating a conventional fleet of almost unchanged size to guarantee security of supply.” In other words, you can’t count on the wind blowing (just as you can’t count on the Sun shining), so no matter how many turbines you build, you still have to have enough coal, gas or nuclear plants to meet peak demand.

Soooooooooo....we told you so.....

China is a world leader in wind power generation, with the largest installed capacity of any nation[1] and continued rapid growth in new wind facilities.[2]


With its large land mass and long coastline, China has exceptional wind power resources:[3] it is estimated China has about 2,380 gigawatts (GW) of exploitable capacity on land and 200 GW on the sea.[4]

A wind power turbine in Liu'ao Peninsula, Fujian
In 2015, China added 30.5 GW of wind power generation capacity[5] to reach a total capacity of 145.1 GW,[6] and generated 186.3 TWh of electricity, representing 3.3% of total national electricity consumption.[7] Both China's installed capacity and new capacity in 2015 are the largest in the world by a wide margin, with the next largest market, the United States, adding 8.6 GW in 2015 and having an installed capacity of 74.4 GW.[8] Due to a substantially higher capacity factor, the United States remains, by a slight margin, the world leader when ranked by production, having generated 190.9 TWh of electricity in 2015. China is forecast to have 250 GW of wind capacity by 2020 as part of the government's pledge to produce 15 percent of all electricity from renewable resources in this year.[9]

China has identified wind power as a key growth component of the country's economy;[10] researchers from Harvard and Tsinghua University have found that China could meet all of their electricity demands from wind power through 2030.[11]

Wind power in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes.......the Chinese are telling the truth...right? You trust them to be honest about their own boondoggle.....right?

Here you go...not exactly right wing news....

Why China is having so many problems ramping up wind power



Instead, the findings suggest that the primary challenges to wind power in China involve lower turbine quality, delayed connections to the grid and grid operators failing to transmit wind power to users in favor of other energy sources, such as coal — all of which play about equally important roles.

These issues are capable of putting a substantial dent in China’s wind electricity output, it turns out. The researchers noted that in 2012, China’s wind-generated electricity was 39.3 terawatt-hours less than that of the United States.

“This is a large number — larger than the total amount of wind power generated in the United Kingdom in 2015, which can power around 8 million UK homes,” wrote Joanna Lewis, an associate professor and expert on China’s energy landscape at Georgetown University, in a comment on the new study, also published Monday in Nature Energy.

Which demonstrates WHAT, exactly?

 

[Old Rocks]

Once more s l o w l y....why do we need to repeat others mistakes to figure out its a mistake....Denmark Germany Spain UK all having grid trouble because of renewables and admit without subsidies it wouldnt be built.........and its not sustainable...shear amount of land needed is ridiculous

LOL First of all, both wind and solar are really taking off in the US, and even were the subsidies to end, it would only slow the growth a little Second, wind takes hardly any land. They grow wheat right up to the base of the mills in the wheat fields east of The Dallas.

What is ridiculous is that you people are so dead set against clean power.

 

[IcebergSlim]

Once more s l o w l y....why do we need to repeat others mistakes to figure out its a mistake....Denmark Germany Spain UK all having grid trouble because of renewables and admit without subsidies it wouldnt be built.........and its not sustainable...shear amount of land needed is ridiculous

This is the body of water which separates southern Sweden from Denmark

 

[Manonthestreet]

Once more s l o w l y....why do we need to repeat others mistakes to figure out its a mistake....Denmark Germany Spain UK all having grid trouble because of renewables and admit without subsidies it wouldnt be built.........and its not sustainable...shear amount of land needed is ridiculous

This is the body of water which separates southern Sweden from Denmark

Yeah so........they just admitted they cant afford more because its driving elec costs thru the roof

 

[IcebergSlim]

Once more s l o w l y....why do we need to repeat others mistakes to figure out its a mistake....Denmark Germany Spain UK all having grid trouble because of renewables and admit without subsidies it wouldnt be built.........and its not sustainable...shear amount of land needed is ridiculous

This is the body of water which separates southern Sweden from Denmark

Yeah so........they just admitted they cant afford more because its driving elec costs thru the roof

That's to address this poppycock about necessary land area.....

Denmark has little or no oil, and import hydro from Sweden and Norway.....they DO recognize that subsidies for renewable power is the same as any other externality associated with energy generation.....except that it is explicit....

 

[Manonthestreet]

A wind farm would need to be 300 sq miles to match one 1100 mw nuke plant sitting on 50 acres..............and then you would still need backup power for no wind ......its a farce