Smart Democrats Should Be Worried

[Listening]

The very title of this thread contains an egregious oxymoron.

I did question it in my opening remarks.

I am not sure if such an animal exists.

 

[GWV5903]

middle class people don't like reagan. that is republicans. reagan was pretty much a joke to the middle class. remember, alex P keaton, the ron headroom jokes from back to the future 2, and the 8 billion jokes spawned by ronnie ray gun? Seriously, david hasselhoff had more to do with reagans supposed accomplishment than he did.

What were you up to during the Reagan years Teet?
Just curious...

Voting republican. boy was i fucking stupid back then.

And you think you're smarter today? LOL!!

 

[Bfgrn]

Yea, why have to question your dogma. There is no American family that has done more good for so many people ans the Kennedy family.

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

JFK said it, so Bfgrn sucks on it.

If by "done good" you mean sealed people like you to government checks, I'd agree.

But, Ted did a great job of destroying the constitution. Can't say I miss him at all.

BTW: Anyone who worships the Kennedys...probably shouldn't be bitching about dogma.

As usual your ignorance and dogma prevent you from knowing the truth.

Only someone who worships the opulent and hates working Americans could hate the Kennedy family

Ted Kennedy helped MILLIONS. Eunice Kennedy Shriver helped MILLIONS.

"My hero is St. Francis of Assisi because he understood the connection between spirituality and the environment. He understood the way God communicates to us most forcefully is through the fish, the birds and the trees and that it is a sin to destroy those things."
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

 

[bripat9643]

What were you up to during the Reagan years Teet?
Just curious...

Voting republican. boy was i fucking stupid back then.

I've got news for you: nothing has changed.

 

[Lakhota]

John Fund is a joke with no credibility outside of wingnut world.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried - By John Fund - The Corner - National Review Online

Are there smart democrats ? Just asking.

There are five reasons. I'll post them one at a time.

Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

Isn't it funny how adding $5 trillion to the debt isn't "extreme," but making reasonable cuts to a program like Medicare that is projected to go bankrupt in 14 years is "extreme." This is why News Week went from a respected magazine to a liberal rag that is no longer even in print edition b/c America realizes BS when they see it.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried - By John Fund - The Corner - National Review Online

Are there smart democrats ? Just asking.

There are five reasons. I'll post them one at a time.

Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

it's a small group. Most of them just read HuffPo talking points.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

John Fund is a joke with no credibility outside of wingnut world.

I've decided that you have zero credibility and no interest in intellectual honesty and I'm tired of reading your libtard blanket denials with no form of real debate and logic. IGNORED.

Don't worry, I'm sure I'll check your posts from time to time when I need to be amused. But I just don't want to dedicate too much time and effort to a troll.

 

[Lakhota]

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried - By John Fund - The Corner - National Review Online

Are there smart democrats ? Just asking.

There are five reasons. I'll post them one at a time.

Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

Isn't it funny how adding $5 trillion to the debt isn't "extreme," but making reasonable cuts to a program like Medicare that is projected to go bankrupt in 14 years is "extreme." This is why News Week went from a respected magazine to a liberal rag that is no longer even in print edition b/c America realizes BS when they see it.

Okay, wonderboy, please give us an accounting of the debt that Obama has added - that wasn't a direct or indirect result of Bush actions. The Bush debt clock didn't just stop on the day Obama was sworn in. Let me give you some starting tips: TWO wars that Bush kept OFF budget that Obama keeps ON budget and the Bush tax cuts. In short, Bush-era politics are still driving the numbers.

10 Republican Lies About the Bush Tax Cuts | Crooks and Liars

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Nice try but those wars were in full gear when Bush was in office and the debt was nowhere near as high. This is why I talk about your lack of intellectual honesty.

And anyone knows that if you have certain unexpected expenses then you cut spending elsewhere. Even FDR rationed during WWII. Even Carter rationed during the gas shortage. Obama thinks he has a blank check and he spends with no concern to the future b/c for him there is no future. He'll be dead in 20 years from all his smoking. He's fine with living the high life while he can.

 

[Bfgrn]

Nice try but those wars were in full gear when Bush was in office and the debt was nowhere near as high. This is why I talk about your lack of intellectual honesty.

And anyone knows that if you have certain unexpected expenses then you cut spending elsewhere. Even FDR rationed during WWII. Even Carter rationed during the gas shortage. Obama thinks he has a blank check and he spends with no concern to the future b/c for him there is no future. He'll be dead in 20 years from all his smoking. He's fine with living the high life while he can.

 

[Lakhota]

Nice try but those wars were in full gear when Bush was in office and the debt was nowhere near as high. This is why I talk about your lack of intellectual honesty.

And anyone knows that if you have certain unexpected expenses then you cut spending elsewhere. Even FDR rationed during WWII. Even Carter rationed during the gas shortage. Obama thinks he has a blank check and he spends with no concern to the future b/c for him there is no future. He'll be dead in 20 years from all his smoking. He's fine with living the high life while he can.

Gasbag, you're full of shit as always. You're obviously still very young, and your immaturity shows.

 

[Interpol]

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried - By John Fund - The Corner - National Review Online

Are there smart democrats ? Just asking.

There are five reasons. I'll post them one at a time.

Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

I respectfully disagree with your points.

I think at this moment, Barack Obama really likes that Paul Ryan was chosen, that way we get to have a national referendum on Medicare and the Social Safety Net as a whole, instead of it being a referendum on him.

If Christie had been the guy, the Democrats wouldn't know wtf to do.

But Paul Ryan's budget reveals the ultimate difference between the core philosophies of both parties: Democrats say "We're stronger if we share the burden, share the pain, and share the prosperity", while Republicans say, "Every man for himself".

Cut and dry. Take it or leave it. One side says we should negotiate fixed prices for seniors and give them Medicare. The other side says we should give them a percentage of what their health care costs are and let them leave their houses and go shopping for insurance themselves.

Main Street voters are pissed: They're pissed at Wall Street for creating an economic crisis, and they're pissed at the government for enabling Wall Street, then rescuing them with our money, and now telling us we're broke as a result and so bye-bye Medicare.

With the Paul Ryan pick, everything crystallizes now into two fundamentally different visions for the future of America. Will Main St. voters decide that we should punish ourselves for what the Wall Streeters did by actually voting to gut our own health care? We'll have to see, but I highly doubt it.

You don't screw around with America's third rail like this in a general election, and the choice of Paul Ryan brings that idea front and center now.

I'd say it's game over once the Obama Super PACS start using clips from townhall meetings like this from last year-- --featuring craggy old white conservative voters yelling and booing at their Republican representatives for actually voting yes to end Medicare as we know it.

None of this would even be coming up had Pawlenty, Rubio, Christie or Portman been announced today. But no, just like McCain, Romney went and got mavericky and decided to appease the Kochs and the Cons, which is great for them and for folks like yourself who get to invent things like "smart Democrats are worried", but it's meaningless to the moderates among us out there.

For three months now Obama has been hammering away at the wishy washy Romney, and for three months people like yourself keep saying how afraid the Democrats are.

Yeah, I'm sure Obama is just shaking in his turban at the thought of that 9 point lead in the latest FOX poll.

 

[Lakhota]

Smart Democrats don't take John Fund seriously.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried - By John Fund - The Corner - National Review Online

Are there smart democrats ? Just asking.

There are five reasons. I'll post them one at a time.

Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

I respectfully disagree with your points.

I think at this moment, Barack Obama really likes that Paul Ryan was chosen, that way we get to have a national referendum on Medicare and the Social Safety Net as a whole, instead of it being a referendum on him.

If Christie had been the guy, the Democrats wouldn't know wtf to do.

But Paul Ryan's budget reveals the ultimate difference between the core philosophies of both parties: Democrats say "We're stronger if we share the burden, share the pain, and share the prosperity", while Republicans say, "Every man for himself".

Cut and dry. Take it or leave it. One side says we should negotiate fixed prices for seniors and give them Medicare. The other side says we should give them a percentage of what their health care costs are and let them leave their houses and go shopping for insurance themselves.

Main Street voters are pissed: They're pissed at Wall Street for creating an economic crisis, and they're pissed at the government for enabling Wall Street, then rescuing them with our money, and now telling us we're broke as a result and so bye-bye Medicare.

With the Paul Ryan pick, everything crystallizes now into two fundamentally different visions for the future of America. Will Main St. voters decide that we should punish ourselves for what the Wall Streeters did by actually voting to gut our own health care? We'll have to see, but I highly doubt it.

You don't screw around with America's third rail like this in a general election, and the choice of Paul Ryan brings that idea front and center now.

I'd say it's game over once the Obama Super PACS start using clips from townhall meetings like this from last year-- [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnIcvgFe1Y&feature=related]The GOP Meets the Main Street Movement - YouTube[/ame] --featuring craggy old white conservative voters yelling and booing at their Republican representatives for actually voting yes to end Medicare as we know it.

None of this would even be coming up had Pawlenty, Rubio, Christie or Portman been announced today. But no, just like McCain, Romney went and got mavericky and decided to appease the Kochs and the Cons, which is great for them and for folks like yourself who get to invent things like "smart Democrats are worried", but it's meaningless to the moderates among us out there.

For three months now Obama has been hammering away at the wishy washy Romney, and for three months people like yourself keep saying how afraid the Democrats are.

Yeah, I'm sure Obama is just shaking in his turban at the thought of that 9 point lead in the latest FOX poll.

Do you understand how MEdicare works and how shitty it is? I work at a pharmacy and people on Medicare have HORRIBLE insurance. They not only have high drug rx, they have to pay for anciallry equipment like pumps that most private insurance pays for. It SUCKS. Doctor's like it because they can charge anything.

One reason to have people pay for their own shit, is they will look for deals, the government does not, hence $50 screwdrivers in the defense department. People will lower the cost by shopping on their own. Its why cell phones are much much cheaper than they used to be and long distance service is also much much cheaper.

Monopolies make things expensive, no competition, which is why government services SUCK.

 

[Interpol]

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried - By John Fund - The Corner - National Review Online

Are there smart democrats ? Just asking.

There are five reasons. I'll post them one at a time.

Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

I respectfully disagree with your points.

I think at this moment, Barack Obama really likes that Paul Ryan was chosen, that way we get to have a national referendum on Medicare and the Social Safety Net as a whole, instead of it being a referendum on him.

If Christie had been the guy, the Democrats wouldn't know wtf to do.

But Paul Ryan's budget reveals the ultimate difference between the core philosophies of both parties: Democrats say "We're stronger if we share the burden, share the pain, and share the prosperity", while Republicans say, "Every man for himself".

Cut and dry. Take it or leave it. One side says we should negotiate fixed prices for seniors and give them Medicare. The other side says we should give them a percentage of what their health care costs are and let them leave their houses and go shopping for insurance themselves.

Main Street voters are pissed: They're pissed at Wall Street for creating an economic crisis, and they're pissed at the government for enabling Wall Street, then rescuing them with our money, and now telling us we're broke as a result and so bye-bye Medicare.

With the Paul Ryan pick, everything crystallizes now into two fundamentally different visions for the future of America. Will Main St. voters decide that we should punish ourselves for what the Wall Streeters did by actually voting to gut our own health care? We'll have to see, but I highly doubt it.

You don't screw around with America's third rail like this in a general election, and the choice of Paul Ryan brings that idea front and center now.

I'd say it's game over once the Obama Super PACS start using clips from townhall meetings like this from last year-- [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnIcvgFe1Y&feature=related]The GOP Meets the Main Street Movement - YouTube[/ame] --featuring craggy old white conservative voters yelling and booing at their Republican representatives for actually voting yes to end Medicare as we know it.

None of this would even be coming up had Pawlenty, Rubio, Christie or Portman been announced today. But no, just like McCain, Romney went and got mavericky and decided to appease the Kochs and the Cons, which is great for them and for folks like yourself who get to invent things like "smart Democrats are worried", but it's meaningless to the moderates among us out there.

For three months now Obama has been hammering away at the wishy washy Romney, and for three months people like yourself keep saying how afraid the Democrats are.

Yeah, I'm sure Obama is just shaking in his turban at the thought of that 9 point lead in the latest FOX poll.

Do you understand how MEdicare works and how shitty it is? I work at a pharmacy and people on Medicare have HORRIBLE insurance. They not only have high drug rx, they have to pay for anciallry equipment like pumps that most private insurance pays for. It SUCKS. Doctor's like it because they can charge anything.

One reason to have people pay for their own shit, is they will look for deals, the government does not, hence $50 screwdrivers in the defense department. People will lower the cost by shopping on their own. Its why cell phones are much much cheaper than they used to be and long distance service is also much much cheaper.

Monopolies make things expensive, no competition, which is why government services SUCK.

So explain how come people shopping for private insurance were paying $3,500/year 12 years ago but are paying an average of twice that now?

Tons of insurance options and companies to choose from, aren't there?

I shop around for gas. I keep my eagle eye open for deals on that, but that just keeps going up too.

Lots of gas stations to choose from, too.

Medicare isn't bad because of some of the aspects that need to be reformed. You don't just throw out the baby with the bath water.

Seniors in poverty before Medicare was passed was a scourge on this country. It's a helluvah lot better since.

 

[Eaglewings]

Exactly

 

[Eaglewings]

And to add how is it that Reagan is on such a pedestal now for the republican base. The guy was a disaster as a California Governor and a worse president.
I once took a trip into the California redwoods which Reagan ordered thousands of trees to be cut down. Only to have his plaque up in the bald acres like a statue for his love of the redwoods..
Scratches Head...
Romney made a bold move, and Ryan is a smart guy but I am not worried people are really studying what is going on and can see right through all the bells and whistles the republicans are doing right now.

Was there a point to this post ?

Don't scratch to hard...you might hurt yourself.

Whats the point to even post in your thread with your arrogant self who should do a bit more of what your avatar says...Listen My post made a lot of sense and you just want to dismiss it because you disagree ..BFD If you would watch and listen a bit more you would now that the republicans have been trying to move their party back into the hero Reagan era.. I don't these are the 2 that will do it.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I respectfully disagree with your points.

I think at this moment, Barack Obama really likes that Paul Ryan was chosen, that way we get to have a national referendum on Medicare and the Social Safety Net as a whole, instead of it being a referendum on him.

If Christie had been the guy, the Democrats wouldn't know wtf to do.

But Paul Ryan's budget reveals the ultimate difference between the core philosophies of both parties: Democrats say "We're stronger if we share the burden, share the pain, and share the prosperity", while Republicans say, "Every man for himself".

Cut and dry. Take it or leave it. One side says we should negotiate fixed prices for seniors and give them Medicare. The other side says we should give them a percentage of what their health care costs are and let them leave their houses and go shopping for insurance themselves.

Main Street voters are pissed: They're pissed at Wall Street for creating an economic crisis, and they're pissed at the government for enabling Wall Street, then rescuing them with our money, and now telling us we're broke as a result and so bye-bye Medicare.

With the Paul Ryan pick, everything crystallizes now into two fundamentally different visions for the future of America. Will Main St. voters decide that we should punish ourselves for what the Wall Streeters did by actually voting to gut our own health care? We'll have to see, but I highly doubt it.

You don't screw around with America's third rail like this in a general election, and the choice of Paul Ryan brings that idea front and center now.

I'd say it's game over once the Obama Super PACS start using clips from townhall meetings like this from last year-- The GOP Meets the Main Street Movement - YouTube --featuring craggy old white conservative voters yelling and booing at their Republican representatives for actually voting yes to end Medicare as we know it.

None of this would even be coming up had Pawlenty, Rubio, Christie or Portman been announced today. But no, just like McCain, Romney went and got mavericky and decided to appease the Kochs and the Cons, which is great for them and for folks like yourself who get to invent things like "smart Democrats are worried", but it's meaningless to the moderates among us out there.

For three months now Obama has been hammering away at the wishy washy Romney, and for three months people like yourself keep saying how afraid the Democrats are.

Yeah, I'm sure Obama is just shaking in his turban at the thought of that 9 point lead in the latest FOX poll.

Do you understand how MEdicare works and how shitty it is? I work at a pharmacy and people on Medicare have HORRIBLE insurance. They not only have high drug rx, they have to pay for anciallry equipment like pumps that most private insurance pays for. It SUCKS. Doctor's like it because they can charge anything.

One reason to have people pay for their own shit, is they will look for deals, the government does not, hence $50 screwdrivers in the defense department. People will lower the cost by shopping on their own. Its why cell phones are much much cheaper than they used to be and long distance service is also much much cheaper.

Monopolies make things expensive, no competition, which is why government services SUCK.

So explain how come people shopping for private insurance were paying $3,500/year 12 years ago but are paying an average of twice that now?

Tons of insurance options and companies to choose from, aren't there?

I shop around for gas. I keep my eagle eye open for deals on that, but that just keeps going up too.

Lots of gas stations to choose from, too.

Medicare isn't bad because of some of the aspects that need to be reformed. You don't just throw out the baby with the bath water.

Seniors in poverty before Medicare was passed was a scourge on this country. It's a helluvah lot better since.

Ok several issues here
one lets start with gas. Gas goes up because the price goes up, the US and your democrats are wasting time and money on "green" tech, while we could be drilling. I dont mind "green" tech, but its not VIABLE NOW, so drill until we have cars that run on hydrogen, they look and run the same as cars now, without blowing up. But until then, USE GAS. and drill and bring the prices down. DEMAND has gone up, since India and China are using more and more of it.

Medicare sucks, period. Costs go up, because of several reasons. ONE is new technology, it's expensive, hence the HD TVs, come out, only rich peopel can get them, as they produce them more efficiently the price comes down, same with medication and health. Do you have any idea how much an MRI machine costs? IT aint cheap. One reason costs are so high is extra tests do in part to malpractice, so lets curb lawyers and get loser pays, then a lawyer couldnt blackmail a settlement, they would have to PROVE malpractice...YEA! Another thing is doctors charge medicare for bullshit, why? BEcause medicare has no reason to control costs, they do that by giving patients shitty benefits (Obamacare....woooohhoooo, 40 million covered and now everyone has shit for insurance, except the politicians and unions).

Now is you let people shop for insurance the price goes down. Private insurance is HEAVILY regulate as well. Did you know they goverment determeines who sells what insurance in what state? Get rid of it, get rid of employer based insurance, make it like car insurance, you can buy state farm, they piss you off, you go to allstate, then geico, ect. Car insurance has gone down because of the competition. Which is why I hate utility companies. Phone companies used to be monopolies and we had the worst service in Delaware, Ohio, but they deregulated it and voila....it got better, hmmmmmmmm

What's funny is I do believe in SOME regulation, like food, and even environmental, but since I'm not 100% with the global warming, I'm called nuts....naaaaaa.

 

[bripat9643]

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Ah yes...thanks for reminding me why I enjoy having less of them (Kennedys) around.

Yea, why have to question your dogma. There is no American family that has done more good for so many people as the Kennedy family.

BAAAAAAARRRFF!!

The Kennedy's are destroyers. Nothing they have ever done has been to the benefit of the nation as a whole. Ted Kennedy was the worst of the lot.