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...on their non Catholic employees?
Churches are exempt from the ruling.
However, religious institutions that employ and serve people outside their faith -- hospitals, elementary schools, universities -- have to comply with the requirement to cover birth control if they offer health insurance coverage for employees. That means such Catholic institutions, which employ and serve wide swaths of non-Catholics across the country, will not be exempt, despite church teachings against use of contraception.
Obama Administration's New Contraception Rule Puts Key Catholic Vote at Risk
What gives the Catholic church (or any church, for that matter) the right to force their religious convictions on employees who aren't even catholic?
Sure, lets use state funds to serve the public in order to push a religious view.
What part of the 1st Amendment don't you understand?
in that case ALL funds to ALL religious organizations should cease....
No argument here.....
We also give billions to the states in aid. Without us, your taxes or your deficit would be a few billion more.
Irrelevant, but enjoy your red herring. Our out of control spending and tax policy is another issue. Please don't pollute the conservation.
Catholic Charities depend upon billions of dollars from the state to fund their organizations. Stop taking state aid, setting up secular institution, and then passive-aggressively forcing your beliefs upon the public.
I appreciate this. However, these sentiments do not take away my argument that these institutions who serve the public, receive state aid, and hire non-Catholics should be exempt from Obamacare.
I understand those reasons and I wished you followed them more. Despite all your proclamation that Catholics are some of the most loving, caring, and understanding people in the world, you are one of the most hateful and spiteful persons on this board. I wished you lived up to your religion.
In fact, I am surprised that you responded with a thoughtful post without personal attacks.
Obama promised a lot honey. You are not the first group of people who he didn't live up to. Get over yourself.
You don't lie to the Arch Bishop while you're whoring for support for your clusterfuck of a healthcare bill... and then shit on him when you don't need his support any more.
This Obama will find out. In November. Biggest fucking swing vote in the country. Without us, he doesn't get reelected. Good. Fuck him.
Who are you going to elect that isn't a whore to special interests?
in that case ALL funds to ALL religious organizations should cease....
No argument here.....
then you also agree that religious folks should pay less in taxes.......since they won't be using the secular services of the government.....?
We also give billions to the states in aid. Without us, your taxes or your deficit would be a few billion more.
Irrelevant, but enjoy your red herring. Our out of control spending and tax policy is another issue. Please don't pollute the conservation.
Catholic Charities depend upon billions of dollars from the state to fund their organizations. Stop taking state aid, setting up secular institution, and then passive-aggressively forcing your beliefs upon the public.
Then cutoff the funding. I couldn't give a crap. The government shouldn't be giving any money to religious institutions for any reason.
You don't lie to the Arch Bishop while you're whoring for support for your clusterfuck of a healthcare bill... and then shit on him when you don't need his support any more.
This Obama will find out. In November. Biggest fucking swing vote in the country. Without us, he doesn't get reelected. Good. Fuck him.
Who are you going to elect that isn't a whore to special interests?
The guy who won't force us to violate our faith. Right now, that guy is not Obama. And I'm happy if he stands by this decision right up to election day. I don't want him to back down.
I'm praying for his continued stupidity.
No argument here.....
then you also agree that religious folks should pay less in taxes.......since they won't be using the secular services of the government.....?
Define "religious folk". I agree the Amish should not pay taxes, but this not include mainstream Catholics.
...on their non Catholic employees?
Churches are exempt from the ruling.
What gives the Catholic church (or any church, for that matter) the right to force their religious convictions on employees who aren't even catholic?
The way i see it, the catholic church is not forcing anyone to do anything.
1)No one if forcing anyone to work for them.
2)They are not offering something that they do not believe in..... not offering somethings not forcing anything onto anyone.
Again, the problem is the mandate. If the mandate goes, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
However, the Catholic Church wants preferential treatment. For instance, if the Catholic Church decided to open up a auto-repair shop (with government funding) and then claim that Obamacare violates their rights and therefore should be exempt, should they? The simple answer is no.
The Church is exempt, not their secular organizations.
Who are you going to elect that isn't a whore to special interests?
The guy who won't force us to violate our faith. Right now, that guy is not Obama. And I'm happy if he stands by this decision right up to election day. I don't want him to back down.
I'm praying for his continued stupidity.
You do realize that Obamacare is a recycled Republican idea.
Plus, weren't you are Mitt Romney fan or did he lose his flavor of the week with you?
Irrelevant, but enjoy your red herring. Our out of control spending and tax policy is another issue. Please don't pollute the conservation.
Catholic Charities depend upon billions of dollars from the state to fund their organizations. Stop taking state aid, setting up secular institution, and then passive-aggressively forcing your beliefs upon the public.
Then cutoff the funding. I couldn't give a crap. The government shouldn't be giving any money to religious institutions for any reason.
Then I take you will be happy to increase the deficit... or pay more taxes... to cover the massive shortfall between what the government contributes and the actual cost of the services we currently provide, right?
Simple analogies which elude you is evidence that you took too much acid.
Keep on shining on, you crazy diamond.
i'm sure you specialize in simple and do great work, but you should bring in a specialist to handle the heavy lifting, like analogies.
I try to dumb it down for people who took too much brown acid.
What bullshit!!! It's simply a violation of the First Amendment for the RCC to force their morals on their workers. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from that sort of thing. That particular attitude, when it comes to commerce, has been on the way out for a 100 years. It's in the same arena as safety, you don't get to play with peoples' lives just because they work for you. That may be the libertarian dream, but it's also why you've never seen anyone turn a government over to them.
The guy who won't force us to violate our faith. Right now, that guy is not Obama. And I'm happy if he stands by this decision right up to election day. I don't want him to back down.
I'm praying for his continued stupidity.
You do realize that Obamacare is a recycled Republican idea.
Plus, weren't you are Mitt Romney fan or did he lose his flavor of the week with you?
There is a difference - if one uses rational thought over hyperbolic bullshit - between a state health care and a federal one.
I still support Romney... but now - because of Obama's behavior towards my Church - I'm firmly in the 'anyone but Obama' camp.
Then cutoff the funding. I couldn't give a crap. The government shouldn't be giving any money to religious institutions for any reason.
Then I take you will be happy to increase the deficit... or pay more taxes... to cover the massive shortfall between what the government contributes and the actual cost of the services we currently provide, right?
IOW, the Catholic faith is driven by money, not good deeds.
i'm sure you specialize in simple and do great work, but you should bring inu t a specialist to handle the heavy lifting, like analogies.
I try to dumb it down for people who took too much brown acid.
i doubt very much that there's any effort involved on your part.
You do realize that Obamacare is a recycled Republican idea.
Plus, weren't you are Mitt Romney fan or did he lose his flavor of the week with you?
There is a difference - if one uses rational thought over hyperbolic bullshit - between a state health care and a federal one.
I still support Romney... but now - because of Obama's behavior towards my Church - I'm firmly in the 'anyone but Obama' camp.
Let's recap. Romneycare is great for the heavily Catholic state of Massachusetts, but Obamacare is wrong for Catholics.
Spin much?
Lots of employers have rules and restrictions....
When an employer reaches in to the employee's private life, he's going too far.
No argument here.....
then you also agree that religious folks should pay less in taxes.......since they won't be using the secular services of the government.....?
Define "religious folk". I agree the Amish should not pay taxes, but this not include mainstream Catholics.
Then I take you will be happy to increase the deficit... or pay more taxes... to cover the massive shortfall between what the government contributes and the actual cost of the services we currently provide, right?
IOW, the Catholic faith is driven by money, not good deeds.
The facts do not support that opinion. But you have yet to let reality get in the way of your opinions.
