Simple question for the right wing ,how whould you stop refugees from coming across our border.

[jbander]

Can I still seek asylum if I passed through another country before entering the United States?​

July 2, 2020


On June 30, 2020, a federal court struck down the Trump administration’s third country transit bar. The original bar said that people who have passed through a country other than their country of origin before entering the United States must request asylum in one of those countries – and if they do not, they will not be eligible for asylum in the United States. The bar affected people who entered the United States on or after July 16, 2019.


But recently, a court decided that the third country transit bar is invalid. For now, this means that immigrants have the right to seek asylum even if they pass through countries other than their country of origin before entering the United States. For more information about the court’s decision, see this article.


This decision is a victory for asylum seekers. The Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project (ASAP) supports the decision and stands with asylum seekers fighting for their right to live in safety in the United States. THE REASON THAT THE COURT WILL ALWAYS DECIDE AGAINST THIS HATE GROUP CRAP IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TONS OF LAWS < BOTH INTERNATIONAL AN DOMESTIC AND TWO TREATIES THAT PROTECT ASYLUM SEEKERS THAT IS SIGNED BY EVERY COUNTRY IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD> YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT BY WRITING LAWS UNLESS YOU TAKE DOWN EXISTING LAWS AND TREATIES AND THAT WON'T , THE COURT WILL ALWAYS PROTECT THESE LAWS AND THE PUBLIC WILL NOT PUSH FOR A CHANGE IN THESE LAWS> WE WILL JUST HAVE TO WATCH THE MAGA MAGGOTS HOLD THEIR BREATH AND STOMP THEIR FEET OVER THIS> KIND OF ENTERTAINING I THINK!

 

[jbander]

This thread has kind of come to an end, not one idea from any right-winger that is possible or that would hold up in court , just touchy-feely hate crap. BY the way, that was the point of this , The right hate Immigrants and don't want them here but the reality is absolutely nothing can be done today or in the near future. WE will just have to strain through an endless list of touchy-feely hate crap from the right about this. Even Biden tried to write law restricting asylum seekers and that is already in court and Biden will lose just like Trump did.

 

[AZrailwhale]

For the third time you are wrong, The 51 version had some limitations but the 67 Protocol which is the one we signed has no limits at all You are totally wrong, and I've told you that now three times, why is this important to you. 1951 Refugee Convention or the Geneva Convention of 28 July 1951 , "The 1967 Protocol removed the time limits and applied to refugees "without any geographic limitation" but declarations previously made by parties to the Convention on geographic scope were grandfathered.[7]" Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees - Wikipedia

Did you bother to read the section about “asylum shopping”? It says that asylum seekers can be returned to the first safe country they crossed and they DON’T have the right to chose which country to apply in.

 

[Stryder50]

Here is the problem, first we are forced by law to let refugees seeking asylum into this country to be investigated. by not just international law, also Two Treaty that we signed years and years ago. One is the "UN's Convention against torture" The second is the "1951 refugee convention". By these treaties it automatically becomes US law when signed, all treaties are that way. And we also have laws we have written on the domestic books that say we are obligated to accept refugees That claim asylum. Literally the whole world has signed these two treaties. In fact, this country with many right-wingers were a driving force to get these two treaties out in the world and signed. Tell us what you want to do to stop people from coming across our border when they claim asylum.

Linky ~ linky ???

How about start with some actual text and specific law quoted, references, links to the specific text, etc.

You expect us to take your word on what could be make believe fable on your part ?!

Cite chapter and verse and also excerpt the relevant parts you think apply.

Otherwise, just more woke smoke up the backside.

BTW, how many of these "refugees" have you personally taken into your home and offered shelter, food, support, etc. ???

 

[Seymour Flops]

For the third time you are wrong, The 51 version had some limitations but the 67 Protocol which is the one we signed has no limits at all You are totally wrong, and I've told you that now three times, why is this important to you. 1951 Refugee Convention or the Geneva Convention of 28 July 1951 , "The 1967 Protocol removed the time limits and applied to refugees "without any geographic limitation" but declarations previously made by parties to the Convention on geographic scope were grandfathered.[7]" Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees - Wikipedia

Yeah, this is why I don't recommend wiki as a primary source. You can use wike as a start point, but you need to click on links that wiki provides and also look for your own sources. A simple google search would have found you the text ot the 1967 protocol, which includes:

ARTICLE I

DEFINITION OF THE TERM "REFUGEE"

A. For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall
apply to any person who:

(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-
founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, national-
ity, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is out-
side the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear,
is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who,
not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former
habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such
fear, is unwilling to return to it. In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the
country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he
is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protec-
tion of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based
on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one
of the countries of which he is a national.

So the 1967 treaty was very specific in who it defined as a refugee. It was intended primarily to help victims of WWII and its aftermant in Europe. At that time, the U.S. was heavily influenced by racist Democrats who opposed people of color. So a universal declaration that anyone can come to the U.S. would never have flown.

It might have been nice if the treaty just say "anyone who identifies as" a refugee is a refugee. You know, like the Dems definition of "woman." But unfortunately for Dems, that is neither the definition of "refugee" nor of "woman," no matter how much they may wish it so, or try to scream it into existance.

 

[jbander]

Did you bother to read the section about “asylum shopping”? It says that asylum seekers can be returned to the first safe country they crossed and they DON’T have the right to chose which country to apply in.

Fuck you , you are just scum, that's not what it says , there is a little more to it than that, just a few things scum like you leave out. Proving my point, you either lie or distortion.. HERE IS THE WHOLE PART ON ASYLUM SHOPPING!!!!!!!!!!
Asylum shopping is a pejorative term for the practice by some asylum seekers of applying for asylum in several states or seeking to apply in a particular state after traveling through other states.[1] The phrase is derogatory, suggesting that asylum seekers are mere consumers who are seeking the best deal in terms of humanitarian refuge.[2] It is used mostly in the context of the European Union and the Schengen Area, but has also been used by the Federal Court of Canada.[3]

Refugees and asylum-seekers are protected by international convention under the principle of non-refoulement, which establishes that a country cannot force someone seeking refuge to return to a country of origin if the person is likely to be persecuted there. The Dublin Convention covering the European Union stipulates that asylum seekers are returned to the country where their entry into the union was first recorded, and where they were first fingerprinted. Another objective of this policy is to prevent asylum seekers in orbit, i.e., to prevent the continual transfer of asylum seekers between countries trying to get others to accept them.[4][5] One of the objectives of the Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters is to prevent so-called "asylum shopping."[6]

European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[7] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries. However, among some asylum seekers, fingerprinting and registration is vehemently resisted in countries that are not asylum-seeker friendly. For example, some people seek to apply for asylum in Germany and Sweden where a more serious approach to welfare and integration support is taken,[8] and fundamental rights are more likely to be met.[9]

Some asylum seekers reportedly burned their fingers to avoid fingerprint record control in Italy so that they could apply for asylum in a different country.[10] The fingerprint record, known as the Eurodac system, is used to intercept multiple or false asylum claims.[11] In Ireland, two-thirds of asylum seekers whose applications failed were found to be already known to the British border authorities, a third of the time under a different nationality, such as Tanzanians claiming to be fleeing persecution in Somalia.[12] YOU ARE JUST A LYING SCUM BAG PIECE OF SHIT>

 

[jbander]

Linky ~ linky ???

How about start with some actual text and specific law quoted, references, links to the specific text, etc.

You expect us to take your word on what could be make believe fable on your part ?!

Cite chapter and verse and also excerpt the relevant parts you think apply.

Otherwise, just more woke smoke up the backside.

BTW, how many of these "refugees" have you personally taken into your home and offered shelter, food, support, etc. ???

I don't give a shit what you think , I only deal in facts and listen microbe, I have pointed out the name of the two Treaties and that is all that is needed because once signed they are law and they have been signed and have been law for decades. There is also domestic law and international law that deals with this matter. I've ALREADY GIVEN SOURCES AND NAMES OF THE TREATIES. MY OBLIGATION HAS BEEN MET. One more time, by the way I don't give a flying fuck what scum like you believe. They have been signed and made law for decades now.

 

[jbander]

I love it when these microbes come on here and claim things are missing that aren't missing , these dirt balls just haven't read them.

 

[jbander]

You MAGA Maggots are shit out of luck because , there are endless laws supporting Immigrants being protected in our country that are here to seek asylum. and when it is totally explained to the people, they would never change the law from what it is now. The courts are against you and the people of this country are against your ugliness , bigotry and hatred.

 

[jbander]

I love to watch these microbes hold their breath and jump up and down because people don't and won't share their hatred.

 

[jbander]

Hey microbes , you don't even have to come to this country to seek asylum, you can go to or write or telephone any American embassy or the United Nations UNHCR, get a application and apply for asylum. You haters are going nowhere on this subject, HERE IS THE POINT, YOU THINK IT IS BIDEN's FAULT BECAUSE You're IGNORANT AND FULL OF HATE AND WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE TO BLAME < HERE ARE THE FACTS, NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS > YOU CAN WRITE A LAW THAT WILL ONLY BE TURNED OVER QUICKLY IN COURT AS TRUMP DID. and nothing in the future will get anywhere ,RIGHT NOW BIDEN'S BILL TO RESTRICT SOME ASYLUM SEEKERS INTO THIS COUNTRY IS GOING NOWHERE < THE COURT IS ALREADY LOOKING AT IT AND BIDEN WILL LOSE> He won't be able to get it done. It is not impossible in the future that something can be done but at this time you haters have nothing. There even has to be more bigoted hateful xenophobic people in this country to get anything restricting immigrants that are seeking asylum , Here is the definition of stupidity , this country is 100% immigrants who have built the strongest wealthiest most powerful country ever and you red necks want them out and not allowed in this country. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING WHEN YOUR RELATIVES CAME TO THIS COUNTRY.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I don't give a shit what you think , I only deal in facts...
(rest of ill-formatted, unpunctuated, poorly-written screed deleted)

Boy, you wouldn't know a fact if it crawled up your ass and did the can-can.

 

[Stryder50]

This thread has kind of come to an end, not one idea from any right-winger that is possible or that would hold up in court , just touchy-feely hate crap. BY the way, that was the point of this , The right hate Immigrants and don't want them here but the reality is absolutely nothing can be done today or in the near future. WE will just have to strain through an endless list of touchy-feely hate crap from the right about this. Even Biden tried to write law restricting asylum seekers and that is already in court and Biden will lose just like Trump did.

Your Lefty-Loonie interpretation of laws and public preference is what has come to an end. Due to your incapacity to grasp nuance and depth of the laws and precedence.

For a start, you fail to grasp the nuance of "legal" versus "illegal" "immigrants", hence remain clueless to a fundamental of the main issue.

Go through the steps and procedures of LEGAL immigration and few of we "Right-wing" have any issue with the procedure for LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Circumvent, go about illegally, try to dodge legal and due process and you bet we will have issue and exception to such.

Criminal minds such as yourself always fail to grasp why law abiding citizens can't support your criminal activities.

And before you whine in protest, it's clear from what you say and how you say it that you are another of those deadbeat, deadwood, non-productive, parasitic leeches, whom thinks that society should support your worthless, dead-end, useless skanky ass. Crawl back under your rock and wait until you have something positive and worthwhile to present/contribute towards adult conversation on a topic you are clearly grossly ignorant about!

You are obviously a waste of human skin!

 

[jbander]

Your Lefty-Loonie interpretation of laws and public preference is what has come to an end. Due to your incapacity to grasp nuance and depth of the laws and precedence.

For a start, you fail to grasp the nuance of "legal" versus "illegal" "immigrants", hence remain clueless to a fundamental of the main issue.

Go through the steps and procedures of LEGAL immigration and few of we "Right-wing" have any issue with the procedure for LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Circumvent, go about illegally, try to dodge legal and due process and you bet we will have issue and exception to such.

Criminal minds such as yourself always fail to grasp why law abiding citizens can't support your criminal activities.

And before you whine in protest, it's clear from what you say and how you say it that you are another of those deadbeat, deadwood, non-productive, parasitic leeches, whom thinks that society should support your worthless, dead-end, useless skanky ass. Crawl back under your rock and wait until you have something positive and worthwhile to present/contribute towards adult conversation on a topic you are clearly grossly ignorant about!

You are obviously a waste of human skin!

Must read, very funny, anyone have a clue what he is talking about? Still worth the read.

 

[jbander]

I hope everyone got the point of this, while the hate party is blaming the Democrats and Biden for the Immigration asylum problem, there literally can't be anything done about it . Unless this country is willing to go against the whole world with international law and multiple treaty's. and our own domestic law and every Christian value defined in the bible. So like every point on every one of the hate party's prime issues ,that being based on lies and distortion with absolutely no substance That is made up of verbiage, designed for the most ignorant among us. The right's most common response here is to kill them. OR ideas that mean nothing and can't be implemented. 150 responses and not one that would achieve anything in the long run.

 

[Unkotare]

Can I still seek asylum if I passed through another country before entering the United States?​

....

Yes.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Religion Of Secular Humanism And Get Your Bid In Giving A Hand Job To Communists "

* Making A North American Dumping Ground From A Latin American Problem *

Here is the problem, first we are forced by law to let refugees seeking asylum into this country to be investigated. by not just international law, also Two Treaty that we signed years and years ago. One is the "UN's Convention against torture" The second is the "1951 refugee convention". By these treaties it automatically becomes US law when signed, all treaties are that way. And we also have laws we have written on the domestic books that say we are obligated to accept refugees That claim asylum. Literally the whole world has signed these two treaties. In fact, this country with many right-wingers were a driving force to get these two treaties out in the world and signed. Tell us what you want to do to stop people from coming across our border when they claim asylum.

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[AZrailwhale]

Fuck you , you are just scum, that's not what it says , there is a little more to it than that, just a few things scum like you leave out. Proving my point, you either lie or distortion.. HERE IS THE WHOLE PART ON ASYLUM SHOPPING!!!!!!!!!!
Asylum shopping is a pejorative term for the practice by some asylum seekers of applying for asylum in several states or seeking to apply in a particular state after traveling through other states.[1] The phrase is derogatory, suggesting that asylum seekers are mere consumers who are seeking the best deal in terms of humanitarian refuge.[2] It is used mostly in the context of the European Union and the Schengen Area, but has also been used by the Federal Court of Canada.[3]

Refugees and asylum-seekers are protected by international convention under the principle of non-refoulement, which establishes that a country cannot force someone seeking refuge to return to a country of origin if the person is likely to be persecuted there. The Dublin Convention covering the European Union stipulates that asylum seekers are returned to the country where their entry into the union was first recorded, and where they were first fingerprinted. Another objective of this policy is to prevent asylum seekers in orbit, i.e., to prevent the continual transfer of asylum seekers between countries trying to get others to accept them.[4][5] One of the objectives of the Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters is to prevent so-called "asylum shopping."[6]

European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[7] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries. However, among some asylum seekers, fingerprinting and registration is vehemently resisted in countries that are not asylum-seeker friendly. For example, some people seek to apply for asylum in Germany and Sweden where a more serious approach to welfare and integration support is taken,[8] and fundamental rights are more likely to be met.[9]

Some asylum seekers reportedly burned their fingers to avoid fingerprint record control in Italy so that they could apply for asylum in a different country.[10] The fingerprint record, known as the Eurodac system, is used to intercept multiple or false asylum claims.[11] In Ireland, two-thirds of asylum seekers whose applications failed were found to be already known to the British border authorities, a third of the time under a different nationality, such as Tanzanians claiming to be fleeing persecution in Somalia.[12] YOU ARE JUST A LYING SCUM BAG PIECE OF SHIT>

It says exactly what I said it does and calling me names just makes you look like a juvenile idiot. And I meant for it to be derogatory. False asylum seekers, and almost all of those coming here are false asylum seekers, are just coming here to take advantage of the American taxpayer. Someone in danger from their government has a genuine case for asylum, anyone trying to avoid criminals, or looking for an improved economic status don't.

 

[jbander]

" Religion Of Secular Humanism And Get Your Bid In Giving A Hand Job To Communists "

* Making A North American Dumping Ground From A Latin American Problem *

600 Million Plus In Latin America Are Too Incompetent To Take Care Of Their Own

" 600 Million Plus In Latin America Are Too Incompetent To Take Care Of Their Own " * Pandering To Illegal Immigration Violates Equal Protection Of Us White Citizens * My experiences have been that nearly every commercial broadcast for pity donations on television most typically promotes a...

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* Knights With Bifurcated Madness As Unwitting Fools Of Catholic Idealism For Theistic Communism *

Desantis Is A Knights Of Columbus Tool

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Stupidest response of the week , his q anon wacko MAGA Maggot sources are forums just like this. Look at them, what a hoot. My source is Fred from down the street. What a hoot!

 

[jbander]

It says exactly what I said it does and calling me names just makes you look like a juvenile idiot. And I meant for it to be derogatory. False asylum seekers, and almost all of those coming here are false asylum seekers, are just coming here to take advantage of the American taxpayer. Someone in danger from their government has a genuine case for asylum, anyone trying to avoid criminals, or looking for an improved economic status don't.

You have no idea what you are talking about, Here is the process microbe. Asylum seekers file for asylum, they are excepted here until their court case for their claims come up, if they prove they need asylum they get it , If they don't prove it they have to leave, You are a total idiot. Every one of your points is backed up by your emotional hatred, not facts. Asylum seekers have this protection in every civilized country in the world. But you microbes can't except that because your ugly hatred, makes you think they are all just conning the system and don't deserve protection. My only point is this , I would rather live in a whole neighborhood of these immigrants then having just one of you MAGA's living next to me. and when they should have turned people away is when your relatives first came to this country.