Should Trump Insist on his Constitutional Right to Speedy Trials?

[Rye Catcher]

Yes.

There are plenty of other issue, but it would be great if this could be a referendum on whether the voters want the government to continue to be weaponized against political enemies.

If he wins, Trump needs to be the bigger man and not let it continue to be weaponized, but turned on his opponents.

Once again, a Conspiracy Story: The "weaponized" of the FBI and entire DOJ are mostly REAL conservatives working to support the legal system; they're not politically motivated nor wanting to become billionaires with Civil Servants Paychecks.

 

[g5000]

There are so many loopholes in federal criminal procedure that the "right to a speedy trial," can be easily denied federal defendants.

The OP misunderstands that the right is the defendant's, not those who who want to see Trump jailed before the election.


You have it backwards in the case of Trump. Trump did not get indicted for a crime and then declare his candidacy in order to get out of the charges. Trump declared his candidacy and was the frontrunner for the opposition party. Then the party in power indicted him in order to get him out of the election.

Trump knew he was going to be indicted. Everyone did.

That's why he announced.

 

[whitehall]

Maybe the bit/coin scammer Bankman/Fried should ask for a speedy trial. Nobody has seen him since he was extradited from the Virgin Islands and it became evident that he donated millions to the Biden campaign.

 

[g5000]

Maybe the bit/coin scammer Bankman/Fried should ask for a speedy trial. Nobody has seen him since he was extradited from the Virgin Islands and it became evident that he donated millions to the Biden campaign.

Nobody has seen him? O'rly? I guess your propagandists have not kept you informed. I really don't understand why you tards keep being such submissive cucks to them. I really don't. It's like you BEG to be lied to and kept ignorant.

Bankman-Fried's first trial begins on October 2. Eight counts.

His second trial is in March next year for an additional 5 counts.

You're welcome.

 

[d0gbreath]

Trump's entire campaign should focus on the corruption of the DOJ and the FBI. The US cannot survive with a justice system controlled by a Political Party.

It just looks that way to you, because they're going after your hero, for stuff that he shouldn't have done.

 

[Polishprince]

Federal trials can easily be dragged out for a long time of course.

The Liberal who shot up the Pittsburgh synagogue is on trial now in federal court and the alleged crime happened 5 years ago.

 

[Donald H]

Have not actually heard him publicly demanding a speedy trial. Has he done it? I am pretty sure, DOJ would be willing to accommodate him. I am equally sure, if he was demanding it publicly, DOJ would not hesitate to show video of it, to judge for consideration in rulings, pre-trial.

I don't know if he has. But the suggestion was made concerning a speedy trial and I thought it was worth my comments. Yes/no?
Actually I think the board is in some trouble now with moderators deleting and another undoing it. I'm just doing my part on what's necessary to save it.
But I'm losing interest too now. Comment in private if you give a damn.

The spamming could be over the gravity of the war situation coming home? Or it could be over many just giving up on account of dysfunction.

 

[meaner gene]

Trump's strident abuse of officers of the court and their families may not be the most sound approach to refuting charges against him.

Nor is his pleading, "You can't allow me my Constitutional right for a speedy trial when I'm running for president!"

if that were the case, every criminal charged with a crime would declare that he is a candidate for the presidency (although, characters like Ru Giuliani and Wally Nauta vying with Trump for the GOP nomination would be decidedly mirthful. And Trump's dozens of fake electors throwing their hats into the ring as they are charged would add to the fun!)

This becomes even more shocking when you realize how many hundreds of people ran for president in 2020.

Prior to the election, 1,212 candidates filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to run for president

Including: 323 Democratic candidates, 164 Republican candidates; 65 Libertarian candidates; 23 Green candidates

List of registered 2020 presidential candidates

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[meaner gene]

You have it backwards in the case of Trump. Trump did not get indicted for a crime and then declare his candidacy in order to get out of the charges. Trump declared his candidacy and was the frontrunner for the opposition party. Then the party in power indicted him in order to get him out of the election.

Trump declared his candidacy BEFORE anybody else. Well before he had to, in order to get ahead of the indictments he knew were coming.

 

[meaner gene]

Have not actually heard him publicly demanding a speedy trial. Has he done it? I am pretty sure, DOJ would be willing to accommodate him. I am equally sure, if he was demanding it publicly, DOJ would not hesitate to show video of it, to judge for consideration in rulings, pre-trial.

DOJ already tried to get a speedy trial by moving for a December 2023 trial date, well before election politics would enter into the picture. And toward that end, Jack Smith already gave Trump all the unclassified discovery so they could start working on it without delay.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump knew he was going to be indicted. Everyone did.

That's why he announced.

You're not stupid enought to believe that yourself. On Jan 20th, Trump was no longer president so, he was subject to indictment any time. Making the timing of the indictment fair game for criticism.

Everyone knew Trump was going to run again. Short of death, nothing would have stopped him. Even so, the indictment came after the announcement, so claiming the announcement was the result of the indictment is the worst kind of liberal "logic."

The New York indictment was a put-up job to see what the public's reaction would be ahead of the DOJ indictment. If Trump had taken ill or for any other reason announced that he would not run, the indictments would have had no purpose.

 

[Seymour Flops]

DOJ already tried to get a speedy trial by moving for a December 2023 trial date, well before election politics would enter into the picture.

You bought the ridiculous media spin that the DOJ pushed for an early trial date in December.

They asked for a delay until December, not being ready as they promised the grand jury to get the indictment.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump will delay the trial as much as possible then claim the trial is too close to the election.

 

[g5000]

You're not stupid enought to believe that yourself. On Jan 20th, Trump was no longer president so, he was subject to indictment any time. Making the timing of the indictment fair game for criticism.

Everyone knew Trump was going to run again. Short of death, nothing would have stopped him. Even so, the indictment came after the announcement, so claiming the announcement was the result of the indictment is the worst kind of liberal "logic."

The New York indictment was a put-up job to see what the public's reaction would be ahead of the DOJ indictment. If Trump had taken ill or for any other reason announced that he would not run, the indictments would have had no purpose.

Trump was not going to be indicted while in office. Now he is trying to make up a whole new rule that you can't indict a candidate. Which is total horseshit.

Trump is not the first political candidate to be indicted. He's making up shit and you are eating it.

 

[meaner gene]

Everyone knew Trump was going to run again. Short of death, nothing would have stopped him. Even so, the indictment came after the announcement, so claiming the announcement was the result of the indictment is the worst kind of liberal "logic."

What you omitted is that everybody new Trump was going to run, because he wanted to again wrap himself in the protection of the presidency from criminal prosecution..
For four years, it protected Trump from indictment, and would do so again if he could get back into office before he got convicted.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The DOJ's ideal strategy is for the trial to take place during the election, not before or after the election. That's why they asked for a delay until December. Obviously, they are not going to start a major trial in December, everyone wants to dial it down for the holidays.

The May start date plays right into the hands of Smith and the maxed-out Democratic donors on his team. They can time it to rest their case after presenting their most dramatic witness on the day before election day, giving the defense no time to present its case until the voting is over.

 

[g5000]

Eugene Debs was sitting in prison when he was selected as the nominee for President by the Socialist Party.

Spiro Agnew was on the cusp of being indicted while he was serving as Vice President. He agreed to a plea deal and resigned.

Lyndon LaRouche ran as a third party candidate while serving time in prison.

Rick Perry was under indictment when he was a candidate in the 2016 presidential race.

And then there's the Tiger King...

 

[meaner gene]

You bought the ridiculous media spin that the DOJ pushed for an early trial date in December.

They asked for a delay until December, not being ready as they promised the grand jury to get the indictment.

I'm talking about the classified documents case before Judge Eileen Cannon, who oroginally set an August 2023 trial date.

Jack Smith knew because of the requirement of getting security clearances for Trumps lawyers, that the trial should be delayed until December 2023. And to help meet that date, Jack Smith delivered all the non-classified discovery, including discovery not required to be given to the defendant, unless they asked for it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump was not going to be indicted while in office. Now he is trying to make up a whole new rule that you can't indict a candidate. Which is total horseshit.

Trump is not the first political candidate to be indicted. He's making up shit and you are eating it.

When has Trump said that you can't indict a candidate?

His lawyers hinted that the trial should wait until after the election. That's perfectly reasonable if you care in the slightest about Democracy. A presidential election is more important in our system than the criminal trial of two men. Especially since it is easy to have both a free election and afair trial. Having them at the same time would be the problem, and that is easily solved by a six months delay of the trial.

The prosecution requested a months-long delay, and the judge tacked another months long delay on that request. Why can't Trump also request a delay?

Personally, I could give a shit about the timing. No Florida jury is going to convict Trump. He's more popular among Republicans than their beloved Republican governor.

 

[Thinker101]

Every crooked bastard and his brother would declare a presidential run.

Dang, Biden's brother is running?