Should illegal aliens be deported.

[Humorme]

If you are illegally here no matter if your visa is out of status or came here illegally you have no right to be here.

Every nation has immigration laws including America.

I don't think it's a matter of "rights". There are no "Rights", there are only priviliges the rest of us let you have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

That said, as a practical matter, we have 11 million undocumented immigrants here. some have been here since they were children and know no other country.

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

Frederick Douglass was quoted as having stated:

“No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.”

Man does not derive his Rights from other men. According to the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

 

[BlindBoo]

Then ask yourselves why immigrants from South America represent so much crime in the USA.

How about I ask you how much crime those immigrants from S. America represent, and where did you get your figures?

You cause and effect challenged? How did you come to the conclusion they'd commit less crime when the places they come from have far more crime? That and they're wastelands, much like California.

But since you asked, I'd hate to see you run through life with your blinders on (AKA all things liberal narrative): Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

Federal Crimes only.

The liberals over at CATO disagree.

Immigration and Crime – What the Research Says

Uh, there are damned few liberals over at CATO, me boy. Cato is a Libertarian think tank. About as far right as such sites get. But, good try, me boy.

All studies you will find, except perhaps a few slanted nut case crazy con web sites, will tell you that undocumented aliens have lower crime rates than the normal documented and non immigrant populations. Truth is, con trolls are simply wrong. As is our president. Let me know if you need proof

Here's what CATO said. "With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates. As described below, the research is fairly one-sided."

Here you go cuz,

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[BlindBoo]

If you are illegally here no matter if your visa is out of status or came here illegally you have no right to be here.

Every nation has immigration laws including America.

I don't think it's a matter of "rights". There are no "Rights", there are only priviliges the rest of us let you have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

That said, as a practical matter, we have 11 million undocumented immigrants here. some have been here since they were children and know no other country.

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

Frederick Douglass was quoted as having stated:

“No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.”

Man does not derive his Rights from other men. According to the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

I guess the founders knew that the Creator (WTF that means) has no power on earth as the next line explains: "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.".

 

[Humorme]

If you are illegally here no matter if your visa is out of status or came here illegally you have no right to be here.

Every nation has immigration laws including America.

I don't think it's a matter of "rights". There are no "Rights", there are only priviliges the rest of us let you have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

That said, as a practical matter, we have 11 million undocumented immigrants here. some have been here since they were children and know no other country.

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

Frederick Douglass was quoted as having stated:

“No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.”

Man does not derive his Rights from other men. According to the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

I guess the founders knew that the Creator (WTF that means) has no power on earth as the next line explains: "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.".

How convenient that you danced around that phrase deriving their just powers. Government only has powers, but they have NO authority over unalienable Rights. Attacking unalienable Rights is not a legitimate function of a de jure government.

But, this is the fundamental issue that separates you from those who believe in the Constitution: Either the Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are inherent, natural, God given, unalienable or they are not.

Our Constitution has a Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights limits the government. And, in the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution says if they forgot to mention a Right, that Right is reserved to the states or to the people. Either you support the Constitution and the concept of Rights or you believe in a government / God.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

[
How convenient that you danced around that phrase deriving their just powers. Government only has powers, but they have NO authority over unalienable Rights. Attacking unalienable Rights is not a legitimate function of a de jure government.

But, this is the fundamental issue that separates you from those who believe in the Constitution: Either the Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are inherent, natural, God given, unalienable or they are not.

Our Constitution has a Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights limits the government. And, in the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution says if they forgot to mention a Right, that Right is reserved to the states or to the people. Either you support the Constitution and the concept of Rights or you believe in a government / God.

The DoI has no bearing on the USC, in fact the USC states in its preamble: {we} secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity it doesn't say anything about securing these rights to foreigners or other countries or to all the world. So, while foreigners do have some rights when here, they are limited in those rights, and are not covered by the full concept of the Constitution.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

SMFH ideological ignorance. The Democrats hire them as well.

 

[danielpalos]

More rubbish and sophistry... the so-called 'invitation' is not lawful... the Inviters need to go to jail... the Invitees need to go home.

If it helps... the Invitation is hereby withdrawn and rescinded.

Too bad you don't have the authority to do that.

Sanctuary cities, baby. Come on down!

Nope.

Ronnie Raygun took the easy way out in 1986... Shamnesty for 3,000,000, while promising that it (or anything like it) would never happen again.

He lied.

The government lied.

Time to reverse that, and eject the 11-12,000,000 now here, by fair means or foul... just so long as they get gone.

Like I said, man, most of those 11MM will get citizenship eventually, and then they'll remember who tried to fuck with them.

The GOP is digging itself into a hole it will never get out of. The ironic thing is, Hispanics are probably more conservative than white americans on social and economic issues. But you've alienated them for generations.

Phukk 'em...

right wing morality?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

You obviously don't understand them either. SMFH

Frederick Douglass was quoted as having stated:

“No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.”

A Frederick Douglas quote in regards to actual slavery used in an immigration issue? LMFAO

Man does not derive his Rights from other men. According to the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

According to the DOI your unalienable rights are limited to a right to life, a right to be free from oppression (liberty), and able to pursue happiness (wellbeing).

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

SMFH How so? Your unalienable rights are limited via the DoI.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

The FF's figured the creator granted certain unalienable rights, those rights are limited, then they recognized that the government they created protected those rights and granted other rights, so obviously some of your rights are subject to the whims of man.

 

[BlindBoo]

If you are illegally here no matter if your visa is out of status or came here illegally you have no right to be here.

Every nation has immigration laws including America.

I don't think it's a matter of "rights". There are no "Rights", there are only priviliges the rest of us let you have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

That said, as a practical matter, we have 11 million undocumented immigrants here. some have been here since they were children and know no other country.

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

Frederick Douglass was quoted as having stated:

“No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.”

Man does not derive his Rights from other men. According to the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

I guess the founders knew that the Creator (WTF that means) has no power on earth as the next line explains: "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.".

How convenient that you danced around that phrase deriving their just powers. Government only has powers, but they have NO authority over unalienable Rights. Attacking unalienable Rights is not a legitimate function of a de jure government.

But, this is the fundamental issue that separates you from those who believe in the Constitution: Either the Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are inherent, natural, God given, unalienable or they are not.

Our Constitution has a Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights limits the government. And, in the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution says if they forgot to mention a Right, that Right is reserved to the states or to the people. Either you support the Constitution and the concept of Rights or you believe in a government / God.

WTF, it's right there in the quote I provided. Well, you know those Colonist just got tired of waiting for the Creator to step in and actually do something about those unalienable rights that the Crown keep stepping on. So decided to do something about it and they tried this little experiment in government by the people.

 

[Unkotare]

[
How convenient that you danced around that phrase deriving their just powers. Government only has powers, but they have NO authority over unalienable Rights. Attacking unalienable Rights is not a legitimate function of a de jure government.

But, this is the fundamental issue that separates you from those who believe in the Constitution: Either the Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are inherent, natural, God given, unalienable or they are not.

Our Constitution has a Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights limits the government. And, in the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution says if they forgot to mention a Right, that Right is reserved to the states or to the people. Either you support the Constitution and the concept of Rights or you believe in a government / God.

The DoI has no bearing on the USC, in fact the USC states in its preamble: {we} secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity it doesn't say anything about securing these rights to foreigners or other countries or to all the world. So, while foreigners do have some rights when here, they are limited in those rights, and are not covered by the full concept of the Constitution.

Yes, they are.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Yes, they are.

Maybe you can explain the concept of Expedited Removal, or the fact that foreigners are not allowed to posses a weapon, can not vote, etc.

 

[Humorme]

[
How convenient that you danced around that phrase deriving their just powers. Government only has powers, but they have NO authority over unalienable Rights. Attacking unalienable Rights is not a legitimate function of a de jure government.

But, this is the fundamental issue that separates you from those who believe in the Constitution: Either the Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are inherent, natural, God given, unalienable or they are not.

Our Constitution has a Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights limits the government. And, in the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution says if they forgot to mention a Right, that Right is reserved to the states or to the people. Either you support the Constitution and the concept of Rights or you believe in a government / God.

The DoI has no bearing on the USC, in fact the USC states in its preamble: {we} secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity it doesn't say anything about securing these rights to foreigners or other countries or to all the world. So, while foreigners do have some rights when here, they are limited in those rights, and are not covered by the full concept of the Constitution.

Yes, they are.

If you are illegally here no matter if your visa is out of status or came here illegally you have no right to be here.

Every nation has immigration laws including America.

I don't think it's a matter of "rights". There are no "Rights", there are only priviliges the rest of us let you have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

That said, as a practical matter, we have 11 million undocumented immigrants here. some have been here since they were children and know no other country.

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

Frederick Douglass was quoted as having stated:

“No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.”

Man does not derive his Rights from other men. According to the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

I guess the founders knew that the Creator (WTF that means) has no power on earth as the next line explains: "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.".

How convenient that you danced around that phrase deriving their just powers. Government only has powers, but they have NO authority over unalienable Rights. Attacking unalienable Rights is not a legitimate function of a de jure government.

But, this is the fundamental issue that separates you from those who believe in the Constitution: Either the Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are inherent, natural, God given, unalienable or they are not.

Our Constitution has a Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights limits the government. And, in the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution says if they forgot to mention a Right, that Right is reserved to the states or to the people. Either you support the Constitution and the concept of Rights or you believe in a government / God.

WTF, it's right there in the quote I provided. Well, you know those Colonist just got tired of waiting for the Creator to step in and actually do something about those unalienable rights that the Crown keep stepping on. So decided to do something about it and they tried this little experiment in government by the people.

You made sure to stress the parts up to that part wherein it says "deriving just powers." Even the United States Supreme Court has ruled several times about Rights that pre-existed. Here's an admission from the United States Supreme Court:

"The Government of the United States, although it is, within the scope of its powers, supreme and beyond the States, can neither grant nor secure to its citizens rights or privileges which are not expressly or by implication placed under its jurisdiction. All that cannot be so granted or secured are left to the exclusive protection of the States

...The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."

United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

As Thomas Jefferson stated:

"The Declaration of Independence . . . [is the] declaratory charter of our rights, and the rights of man."

The lesson here is as Johnny Cash alluded to in his song The Farmer's Almanac: "If a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble." We cannot further empower the federal government nor expect it to babysit us without expecting to pay a price. What will the price be to continue demanding a government / God?

 

[Humorme]

[
How convenient that you danced around that phrase deriving their just powers. Government only has powers, but they have NO authority over unalienable Rights. Attacking unalienable Rights is not a legitimate function of a de jure government.

But, this is the fundamental issue that separates you from those who believe in the Constitution: Either the Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are inherent, natural, God given, unalienable or they are not.

Our Constitution has a Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights limits the government. And, in the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution says if they forgot to mention a Right, that Right is reserved to the states or to the people. Either you support the Constitution and the concept of Rights or you believe in a government / God.

The DoI has no bearing on the USC, in fact the USC states in its preamble: {we} secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity it doesn't say anything about securing these rights to foreigners or other countries or to all the world. So, while foreigners do have some rights when here, they are limited in those rights, and are not covered by the full concept of the Constitution.

Yes, they are.

Did not understand that post

 

[JoeB131]

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

There are no rights.

There is what society thinks is reasonable.

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

Actually, guy, I don't want to limit myself to what a Slave Rapist who shit in a chamber pot thought was a "Right".

Whenever I hear you Koch-puppets talk about "Rights", it usually means the right of rich people to exploit the crap out of you until you are too old to work, and then discarding you on your family for the rest of your life.

I'd rather live in a society where we look out for each other and we all live by sensible limits. I'm a lot more scared of the nut with a gun at the end of the block than I am of the government.

 

[Humorme]

Therein lies the problem. Most Americans do not understand the concept of Rights and they have forgotten that two wrongs do not make a Right.

There are no rights.

There is what society thinks is reasonable.

It is too easy for the American people to confuse unalienable Rights with the privileges and benefits of citizenship. Not understanding the concept of unalienable Rights, many Americans are now advocating slavery for themselves.

Our forefathers did NOT believe in this nonsensical idea that man gets his Rights from other men. I was born with my Rights; they are given by my Creator and are not subject to the whims of man.

Actually, guy, I don't want to limit myself to what a Slave Rapist who shit in a chamber pot thought was a "Right".

Whenever I hear you Koch-puppets talk about "Rights", it usually means the right of rich people to exploit the crap out of you until you are too old to work, and then discarding you on your family for the rest of your life.

I'd rather live in a society where we look out for each other and we all live by sensible limits. I'm a lot more scared of the nut with a gun at the end of the block than I am of the government.

It has become fashionable for both those on the right and the left to declare that we don't have rights. However, our country was founded on the presupposition that we do.

Insofar as Rights, the idea was taken from the Bible as interpreted by such people as John Locke. While I don't agree with every statement made by these two men, one is a law professor and both have solid credentials:

The Declaration, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights - The Declaration, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights

But, at the end of the day, you trust mob rule while I believe that government must be bound by the chains of the Constitution. That federal government, to which you have all but pledged fealty to agrees with your assertion that they are god. But, until the Constitution is legally amended or somehow done away with, then I will stand behind it when deciding how much power the government should have.

When we, the people, think that the government has become tyrannical, we have many options open and if the nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress fail, we have the Right, Duty, Obligation - and the Tools should extraordinary action be required.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

If you are illegally here no matter if your visa is out of status or came here illegally you have no right to be here.

Every nation has immigration laws including America.

I don't think it's a matter of "rights". There are no "Rights", there are only priviliges the rest of us let you have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

That said, as a practical matter, we have 11 million undocumented immigrants here. some have been here since they were children and know no other country.

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

To provide undocumented immigrants (those who came here illegally) protection from Federal ICE agents, makes those supporters who prohibit enforcement “enablers” of the problem. States are either submitting under Federal Law or breaking the law, as individual states don’t have any legal footing to which to stand when it conflicts with those laws passed by Congress AND signed by the President. Both conditions in Washington, must be met to be deemed Constitutional.

 

[JoeB131]

It has become fashionable for both those on the right and the left to declare that we don't have rights. However, our country was founded on the presupposition that we do.

those guys also thought slavery was nifty and bleeding someone to treat strep throat was cutting edge medical technology.

Again, any FOOL who thinks he has rights needs to look up, "Japanese Americans, 1942". That's how fast rights disappear when people are scared. And maybe they'll apologize for it 40 years later.

But, at the end of the day, you trust mob rule while I believe that government must be bound by the chains of the Constitution.

No, I'm just a pragmatist. I realize that if the government really wants you in prison or dead, they will find a way to do that, and most people won't care.

When we, the people, think that the government has become tyrannical, we have many options open and if the nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress fail, we have the Right, Duty, Obligation - and the Tools should extraordinary action be required.

And how do "We the people" decide that.

Hey, "We, the people" voted Hillary to be president by 3 million votes. So why isn't she in the white house? So by your logic, the people who voted for Hillary should be in the streets burning things down, right?

 

[Humorme]

It has become fashionable for both those on the right and the left to declare that we don't have rights. However, our country was founded on the presupposition that we do.

those guys also thought slavery was nifty and bleeding someone to treat strep throat was cutting edge medical technology.

Again, any FOOL who thinks he has rights needs to look up, "Japanese Americans, 1942". That's how fast rights disappear when people are scared. And maybe they'll apologize for it 40 years later.

But, at the end of the day, you trust mob rule while I believe that government must be bound by the chains of the Constitution.

No, I'm just a pragmatist. I realize that if the government really wants you in prison or dead, they will find a way to do that, and most people won't care.

When we, the people, think that the government has become tyrannical, we have many options open and if the nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress fail, we have the Right, Duty, Obligation - and the Tools should extraordinary action be required.

And how do "We the people" decide that.

Hey, "We, the people" voted Hillary to be president by 3 million votes. So why isn't she in the white house? So by your logic, the people who voted for Hillary should be in the streets burning things down, right?

I've been having a productive conversation here with people that don't agree on everything. Then you come along wanting to multi-quote me and insinuate that since we don't see eye to eye, I must be a moron.

What that says to me is that YOU don't have any confidence in your own opinion. When you have to assault people just because you disagree doesn't make you right - and, in this case, casts a lot of doubt on your level of intelligence. Take this as an opportunity to apologize and make some rational point.

I'm not the brightest star in the constellation and damn well not a fool.

Most Americans, even today, do not understand the concept of unalienable Rights. IF the masses had their way today, they would deport millions of Americans on the pretext that their parents entered America illegally. To give you an analogy at the local level, these people would lob an RPG at a family in an automobile because the parent made an improper U-Turn.

Unfortunately, both sides are against the idea of inherent, natural, God given, unalienable Rights. The only Rights most see are those that a mob is willing to claim through force. And everybody has some lame ass excuse for imposing it. Whites are being dictated to by Jews while Blacks are taking over; Blacks feel entitled to own America due to slavery; you have a bug up your rump over the Japanese. Everybody wants to be heard; few are willing to attempt to understand.

So, if all you are that committed to destruction, why in the Hell don't you push yourselves away from your computers, hit the streets and take what you think you're owed. Why keep voting for proxies to fight your battle? You don't think that once they've destroyed this country that they won't take YOUR Rights?

 

[Humorme]

If you are illegally here no matter if your visa is out of status or came here illegally you have no right to be here.

Every nation has immigration laws including America.

I don't think it's a matter of "rights". There are no "Rights", there are only priviliges the rest of us let you have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

That said, as a practical matter, we have 11 million undocumented immigrants here. some have been here since they were children and know no other country.

And sadly, as much as the right whines about it, it's other rich Republicans who keep hiring them.

To provide undocumented immigrants (those who came here illegally) protection from Federal ICE agents, makes those supporters who prohibit enforcement “enablers” of the problem. States are either submitting under Federal Law or breaking the law, as individual states don’t have any legal footing to which to stand when it conflicts with those laws passed by Congress AND signed by the President. Both conditions in Washington, must be met to be deemed Constitutional.

While states may be enablers of people being able to stay in a state, the federal government does not have unlimited powers regarding foreigners. The feds have a limited role, constitutionally speaking.

According to current news:

"The Supreme Court said on Monday that it will stay out of the dispute concerning the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program for now, meaning participants will still be able to renew their status."

Supreme Court won't hear Trump bid to end DACA program - CNNPolitics

The United States Supreme Court could not be more clear in telegraphing their moves. If / when the right forces the hand of our nation's highest Court, it's not going to go the way the anti-immigrant lobby thinks.

 

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No. But if someone inside the house invited them in, getting rid of them is a little trickier.

You do get that the only reason why we have illegals is because someone invited them to do jobs Americans don't want to do, right?

The inviters are criminals violating federal law. You think we should follow them ?

As for "jobs Americans don't want to do", tht ninsense was refuted 14 years ago with the CIS studt that showed 99% ofUS occupations having a majority of Americans working in them'

Also, the toughest, dirtiest, and most dangerous jobs are being done by Americans, not illegal foreigners.