Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Avatar4321]

No. It's precisely because government uses force to meet it's objectives that government should be limited in authority

 

[LoneLaugher]

The leftist agenda has nothing to do with equality and rights. Those are just buzz words to make the useful Idiots believe they are part of a righteous cause. It's about submission and silencing the opposition.

There is a leftist agenda in our government schools, yes.

Interesting. Do you know any leftists?

What is the leftist agenda in schools?

Homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality.

It isn't as prevalent....but it is as normal. And the subject of homosexuality never came up in any school related activity for any of my children in a combined 36 years of public school education.

What is your child's school doing to advance the homosexual agenda?

 

[Ibentoken]

You can do that all you want. You are free to. Clearly. But you won't turn the tide against equality. That train has left the station.

Is there an agenda in your schools?

The leftist agenda has nothing to do with equality and rights. Those are just buzz words to make the useful Idiots believe they are part of a righteous cause. It's about submission and silencing the opposition.

There is a leftist agenda in our government schools, yes.

The leftist agenda is equality as is guaranteed by our Constitution.

The right wing agenda is to deny equality, as guaranteed by our Constitution.

The left has always won this battle.

The left will always win this battle.

The leftist agenda has nothing to do with equality and rights. Are you going to allow children in your government schools to speak out freely if they oppose homosexuality? Nope. You're going to tell that child that opposing homosexuality is bigotry and hate.

 

[Ibentoken]

Interesting. Do you know any leftists?

What is the leftist agenda in schools?

Homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality.

It isn't as prevalent....but it is as normal. And the subject of homosexuality never came up in any school related activity for any of my children in a combined 36 years of public school education.

What is your child's school doing to advance the homosexual agenda?

You admit that teaching homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality is the agenda. That's not a topic for my child in school. Math, English, science, biology, history, etc. That's teaching.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The leftist agenda has nothing to do with equality and rights. Those are just buzz words to make the useful Idiots believe they are part of a righteous cause. It's about submission and silencing the opposition.

There is a leftist agenda in our government schools, yes.

The leftist agenda is equality as is guaranteed by our Constitution.

The right wing agenda is to deny equality, as guaranteed by our Constitution.

The left has always won this battle.

The left will always win this battle.

The leftist agenda has nothing to do with equality and rights. Are you going to allow children in your government schools to speak out freely if they oppose homosexuality? Nope. You're going to tell that child that opposing homosexuality is bigotry and hate.

It is bigotry. You want it to not be.....but it is.

Time for you to catch up. The rest of us have waited long enough.

 

[kaz]

The First Amendment forbids public law from forcing anything on religious institutions, just as it forbids religious institutions from imposing their will on the public.

You mean like Catholics can't be forced to provide contraceptives because that violates their religion?

 

[Bloodrock44]

Churches should burn in Hell because religion is the single greatest lie in all of human history.

Wrong. The claim that democracy is the cure - all for the ills of society is the single greatest lie in all of human history.

Democracy gave us the right to vote, not God. God doesn't actually exist.

So you, in your infinite wisdom, have irrefutable proof? Care to share, dickweed?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality.

It isn't as prevalent....but it is as normal. And the subject of homosexuality never came up in any school related activity for any of my children in a combined 36 years of public school education.

What is your child's school doing to advance the homosexual agenda?

You admit that teaching homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality is the agenda. That's not a topic for my child in school. Math, English, science, biology, history, etc. That's teaching.

Your child isn't gay. If he or she were, it would become a topic for you real quick. You wouldn't want the teacher to tell your child that he or she is abnormal, would you? Would you want your gay child to be discriminated against, outcast.....bullied?

I'm guessing not. But that gives you some benefit of the doubt.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Wrong. The claim that democracy is the cure - all for the ills of society is the single greatest lie in all of human history.

Democracy gave us the right to vote, not God. God doesn't actually exist.

So you, in your infinite wisdom, have irrefutable proof? Care to share, dickweed?

That wasn't very nice. I thought you were a nice guy. Was I wrong?

 

[Avatar4321]

I didn't realizing telling someone they are normal or abnormal has any effect on whether they are. By definition homosexuality is abnormal because normal is hetrosexuality

 

[Statistikhengst]

Freedom of speech doesn't end when I walk into a church. Politics are often talked about in churches. Sharpton and Jackson made a career doing it.

No, freedom of speech does not end when a parishioner enters a church, but the law is crystal clear as to what makes for tax-exempt status, and what does not. You are aware of this fact, right?

Yes, I am. Speaking about politics in church doesn't equate to losing tax exemption.

No, but encouraging a specific directions of politics does.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The real question is: why in the world we are mixing a legal issue up with a religious issue?

Marriage is a religious issue when it takes place within the church (or any other religious body).

But for the purposes of the state, it is a legal issue. A marriage conferred by a justice of the peace has absolutely nothing to do with a "church" ceremony.

I see no reason in the world why Christian Churches, Synagogues or Mosques (or any other religious organization) should have to allow gay marriage if they don't want to. And why in the world would gay people want to get married in a place where they are not wanted, anyway? That makes no sense.

But those same churches have no right in saying whether gay people can become legally married, i.e., via Justice of the Peace, and with a legal and binding marriage certificate. Technically, once outside of their buildings of worship, those religious people actually have nothing to say about this. You see, the sword cuts both ways.

I also believe that those religous organizations that use the power of the pulpit to sway politics in this way should lose their tax-exempt status.


Any why in the world are so many people obsessed with things "gay" these days?!?!?

WTF?

you make alot of sense...

but when it comes to religious people having a say 'outside their buildings of worship' they have as much say as the next guy....the secular left is attempting to corral Christian attitudes to only their 'houses of worship'....

States should have the right to make their own marriage laws....not the Feds.....per the Constitution We The People have the right to make our own marriage laws....not because it is religion but because marriage is a societal issue.....

people are 'obsessed' with all things 'gay' these days because the leftists are pushing it....they are using it as a wedge issue to destroy Christianity.....every commie movement has attacked God....and these anti-American cross-knockers are out in full force these days....

Nope. No attempt to corral anyone.

And I doubt that Leftists are pushing a "gay" agenda. I find it all a little bizarre.

 

[Ibentoken]

No, freedom of speech does not end when a parishioner enters a church, but the law is crystal clear as to what makes for tax-exempt status, and what does not. You are aware of this fact, right?

Yes, I am. Speaking about politics in church doesn't equate to losing tax exemption.

No, but encouraging a specific directions of politics does.

Says who?

 

[Ibentoken]

It isn't as prevalent....but it is as normal. And the subject of homosexuality never came up in any school related activity for any of my children in a combined 36 years of public school education.

What is your child's school doing to advance the homosexual agenda?

You admit that teaching homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality is the agenda. That's not a topic for my child in school. Math, English, science, biology, history, etc. That's teaching.

Your child isn't gay. If he or she were, it would become a topic for you real quick. You wouldn't want the teacher to tell your child that he or she is abnormal, would you? Would you want your gay child to be discriminated against, outcast.....bullied?

I'm guessing not. But that gives you some benefit of the doubt.

You're not going to teach my child homosexuality is normal in the school I'm paying for. Get used to it.

 

[Ibentoken]

The leftist agenda is equality as is guaranteed by our Constitution.

The right wing agenda is to deny equality, as guaranteed by our Constitution.

The left has always won this battle.

The left will always win this battle.

The leftist agenda has nothing to do with equality and rights. Are you going to allow children in your government schools to speak out freely if they oppose homosexuality? Nope. You're going to tell that child that opposing homosexuality is bigotry and hate.

It is bigotry. You want it to not be.....but it is.

Time for you to catch up. The rest of us have waited long enough.

Nope. You're not going to teach my child he/she is a bigot. I'm paying for the education.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You admit that teaching homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality is the agenda. That's not a topic for my child in school. Math, English, science, biology, history, etc. That's teaching.

Your child isn't gay. If he or she were, it would become a topic for you real quick. You wouldn't want the teacher to tell your child that he or she is abnormal, would you? Would you want your gay child to be discriminated against, outcast.....bullied?

I'm guessing not. But that gives you some benefit of the doubt.

You're not going to teach my child homosexuality is normal in the school I'm paying for. Get used to it.

What if your child were gay? Any thoughts?

If your child isn't gay, nothing that is said in his school will make him gay. That is the point where you go off the reservation. It puts your stupidity on full display.

You've lost this one, by the way. The world knows that homosexual people are normal. One day...your kid will likely look at you and shake his or her head...wondering how you could be so dumb.

Young people have it figured out. There is no turning back.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Nope. You are obsessed with all things gay these days because the country is passing you by. What leftists want is for one's sexuality to NOT BE AN ISSUE AT ALL.

There is no god to attack. But you can believe there is if you want. You can also believe that prosperity trickles down and that the earth is flat. Believe it. Live it. But please.....don't use it as an excuse to be a bigot.

Thanks.

Bull.....you are nothing more than a useful idiot...

the Left has been using sexual perversion for decades to undermine and degrade our moral society....from pornography to 'art' to prostitution to 'free love' to the Pill to single parenthood to abortion to 'gay rights'......

here's a partial list of the 1958 goals of communism...

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Current Communist Goals (1958)

Such silliness. Using sexual perversion? Only for decades? Funny stuff.

yes for decades.....or how do you think we've gotten to the point where the President of the United States honors a pederast and a statuatory rapist with an honorary U.S. postage stamp....?

What would you call a 33-year-old man who both had and axiomatically acted upon a deviant sexual appetite for underage, drug-addicted, runaway boys? (No, not Jerry Sandusky.)

What would you call a man of whom, as regards sexual preference, his own friend and biographer confessed, “Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems”?

In a recent interview with OneNewsNow.com, I called this man “demonstrably, categorically an evil man based on his [statutory] rape of teenage boys.”

But you can call him Harvey Milk.

Harvey Milk’s only claim to fame is that he was the first openly homosexual candidate to be elected to public office (San Francisco city commissioner). His chief cause was to do away with the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic. In 1978 Milk was murdered over a non-related political dispute by fellow Democrat Dan White.

And a “progressive” martyr was born.

Sexual Predator Honored With U.S. Postage Stamp - Matt Barber - Page 1

 

[LoneLaugher]

The leftist agenda has nothing to do with equality and rights. Are you going to allow children in your government schools to speak out freely if they oppose homosexuality? Nope. You're going to tell that child that opposing homosexuality is bigotry and hate.

It is bigotry. You want it to not be.....but it is.

Time for you to catch up. The rest of us have waited long enough.

Nope. You're not going to teach my child he/she is a bigot. I'm paying for the education.

I'm not going to teach your child anything. Life will do that. The crap you fill his head with will not stay with him. We, as a society, are beyond that. Your only hope is to avoid contact with the human race.

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

The real question is: why in the world we are mixing a legal issue up with a religious issue?

Marriage is a religious issue when it takes place within the church (or any other religious body).

But for the purposes of the state, it is a legal issue. A marriage conferred by a justice of the peace has absolutely nothing to do with a "church" ceremony.

I see no reason in the world why Christian Churches, Synagogues or Mosques (or any other religious organization) should have to allow gay marriage if they don't want to. And why in the world would gay people want to get married in a place where they are not wanted, anyway? That makes no sense.

But those same churches have no right in saying whether gay people can become legally married, i.e., via Justice of the Peace, and with a legal and binding marriage certificate. Technically, once outside of their buildings of worship, those religious people actually have nothing to say about this. You see, the sword cuts both ways.

I also believe that those religous organizations that use the power of the pulpit to sway politics in this way should lose their tax-exempt status.


Any why in the world are so many people obsessed with things "gay" these days?!?!?

WTF?

Freedom of speech doesn't end when I walk into a church. Politics are often talked about in churches. Sharpton and Jackson made a career doing it.

No, freedom of speech does not end when a parishioner enters a church, but the law is crystal clear as to what makes for tax-exempt status, and what does not. You are aware of this fact, right?

Exactly, pastors dont have free speech, didnt you christ bigots see the asterisk in the Constitution?

Imams, on the other hand, have the free speech to speak in loud condemnation of our vile zionist foreign policy.

Allah Akbar.

 

[Ibentoken]

Your child isn't gay. If he or she were, it would become a topic for you real quick. You wouldn't want the teacher to tell your child that he or she is abnormal, would you? Would you want your gay child to be discriminated against, outcast.....bullied?

I'm guessing not. But that gives you some benefit of the doubt.

You're not going to teach my child homosexuality is normal in the school I'm paying for. Get used to it.

What if your child were gay? Any thoughts?

If your child isn't gay, nothing that is said in his school will make him gay. That is the point where you go off the reservation. It puts your stupidity on full display.

You've lost this one, by the way. The world knows that homosexual people are normal. One day...your kid will likely look at you and shake his or her head...wondering how you could be so dumb.

Young people have it figured out. There is no turning back.

I'm not gonna worry about gay kids. I'm talking about the agenda. That crap doesn't belong in public schools. If parents of a child believe their child is gay then that's their problem, not mine.