Should Blacks Pay Reparations To Whites?

[IM2]

The thing here is that the dixiecrats who were southern democrats did primarily switch to the republican party due to integration. There may be several reasons outside of the fact that one wants to claim that Carter swept the south as a bass that it was not so. Number 1 being that no one wanted more Nixon and saw Ford as an extension of Nixon. There was a reason why Regan began is campaign in the town where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found dead sneaking in favor of states rights. Yes there was a southern strategy. The leftist academia did not make this up, a republican political operative did. Reagan did appeal to racism and what Reagan started created what we see today in Trump.

Why Did The South Turn Republican?

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The Republican political operative that you mention was Lee Atwater. The following is the full audio interview with him regarding The Southern Strategy

Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

Yes it was Lee Atwater and that interview is very telling. I've seen it before.

There s no debate as to what he did to turn the south republican really.

It is difficult to believe how anyone can not acknowledge the evolution of party loyalties in the southern states as a result of this.

There are some out there like the "person" who started this thread who actually believe it to be a conspiracy theory, and that the Democratic and Republican parties are identical to what they both were over 100 years ago.

Idiots exist and they seem to specifically congregate in places like this one. Now as for Cornel, I don't understand that argument because it's well known what happened and how things switched.

 

[S.J.]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

 

[danielpalos]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

 

[S.J.]

I have no problem with what you have been pointing out. My point is that SJ is a pathetic lying white dude who refuses to see the disingenuous argument he wages in this thread. That includes the way he has avoided the truth in the matters you have presented to him.

You avoid the truth that after 150 years of freedom you're still living the way you lived in the jungle. Look at any black neighborhood. All you ever do is blame whitey, even though whitey has been carrying your sorry asses for over 50 years. You expect it, and when somebody points out your failure as a race, you come up with every excuse imaginable (no matter how absurd) to make it somebody else's fault. You can't face reality.

 

[S.J.]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

What's your point?

 

[IM2]

I have no problem with what you have been pointing out. My point is that SJ is a pathetic lying white dude who refuses to see the disingenuous argument he wages in this thread. That includes the way he has avoided the truth in the matters you have presented to him.

You avoid the truth that after 150 years of freedom you're still living the way you lived in the jungle. Look at any black neighborhood. All you ever do is blame whitey, even though whitey has been carrying your sorry asses for over 50 years. You expect it, and when somebody points out your failure as a race, you come up with every excuse imaginable (no matter how absurd) to make it somebody else's fault. You can't face reality.

The fact is we have carried your asses for 399 years. That's reality.

 

[IM2]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

Nah. You might really want to take a look at the white backlash to such things before you run your mouth.

 

[danielpalos]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

What's your point?

there is no free ride.

 

[S.J.]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

Nah. You might really want to take a look at the white backlash to such things before you run your mouth.

You might want to take a look in the mirror and ax yourself who bears the ultimate responsibility for your own damn life. What is it that you think you need from the white man that you haven't already gotten that will elevate you out of your dependency?

 

[IM2]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

Nah. You might really want to take a look at the white backlash to such things before you run your mouth.

You might want to take a look in the mirror and ax yourself who bears the ultimate responsibility for your own damn life. What is it that you think you need from the white man that you haven't already gotten that will elevate you out of your dependency?

Nah, that's what you need t do.

 

[S.J.]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

What's your point?

there is no free ride.

Welfare for doing nothing is a free ride, pal.

 

[danielpalos]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

Nah. You might really want to take a look at the white backlash to such things before you run your mouth.

You might want to take a look in the mirror and ax yourself who bears the ultimate responsibility for your own damn life. What is it that you think you need from the white man that you haven't already gotten that will elevate you out of your dependency?

why do capitalists complain about taxes, instead of doubling autoworker wages to make fun of lousy capitalists who cannot even double minimum wages.

 

[IM2]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

What's your point?

there is no free ride.

Welfare for doing nothing is a free ride, pal.

Like pretty much what whites have done since they got here.

 

[danielpalos]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

What's your point?

there is no free ride.

Welfare for doing nothing is a free ride, pal.

A capital gains tax preference for not creating Jobs Booms, is the same thing. The capital gains preference still exists and does nothing to solve simple poverty. End that, so I know you are not all talk and no action.

 

[S.J.]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

Nah. You might really want to take a look at the white backlash to such things before you run your mouth.

You might want to take a look in the mirror and ax yourself who bears the ultimate responsibility for your own damn life. What is it that you think you need from the white man that you haven't already gotten that will elevate you out of your dependency?

Nah, that's what you need t do.

Says the guy who blames racism for all his failures.

 

[S.J.]

It's always the white man's racism that is to blame for the failure of black people to take advantage of opportunities given to them since the Civil War, then later with the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1964. All they can do is keep demanding more laws to be passed that give them something for nothing. They reject opportunities for free jobs training, they consider that an insult. No, they want the free ride, and their voting patterns prove it.

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

What's your point?

there is no free ride.

Welfare for doing nothing is a free ride, pal.

A capital gains tax preference for not creating Jobs Booms, is the same thing. The capital gains preference still exists and does nothing to solve simple poverty. End that, so I know you are not all talk and no action.

Nobody owes you a fucking living. You have access to everything the white man has access to. It's not my problem you're not motivated or educated enough to take advantage of the opportunities you have in this country. You would rather just do nothing and blame racism.

 

[danielpalos]

dude; black men Won the right to vote.

What's your point?

there is no free ride.

Welfare for doing nothing is a free ride, pal.

A capital gains tax preference for not creating Jobs Booms, is the same thing. The capital gains preference still exists and does nothing to solve simple poverty. End that, so I know you are not all talk and no action.

Nobody owes you a fucking living. You have access to everything the white man has access to. It's not my problem you're not motivated or educated enough to take advantage of the opportunities you have in this country. You would rather just do nothing and blame racism.

Georgia does.

 

[Correll]

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

Just face the fact that you were shown that whites did not fight and die to free blacks in

4. And Reagan did not win in 80 because of race, he won because Carter was a terrible president, with a terrible record. The same southerns who voted for Carter in 76, suddenly did not become MORE RACIST 4 years later to vote against Carter and his Civil Rights support.

Katsteve thinks in terms of race. He sees it as the deciding factor in any election. If his candidate wins, it's a victory over racism. If he loses, it's because racism reared it's ugly head. The funny thing is that he defends the party who gave us Jim Crow laws and the KKK.

Don't you white racists ever tire of being disingenuous?

These things were bi partisan. And since you don't want to talk about 150 years ago, then don't talk about the democratic party of 150 years ago.

In the meantime, you started this thread and based it on terms of race.

The current portion of the thread is a that Katsteven claimed that the South went from the dems to the republican due to racism, post 1964 civil rights act.


I pointed out that Carter nearly swept the South in 1976,


He dismisses that as unimportant but then points to Reagan's win 4 YEARS LATER, as further evidence that the south of the 20th is just as racist as the south of the 19th.

For reasons that he has not made clear.

The Conventional Wisdom crafted by lefty academia and media is that the alleged "southern strategy" of Nixon, is what flipped the SOuth, from the early 60s to present day.

Thus, this discussion of the past, is completely relevant to today.

Yet again. More of your conveniently selective interpretations of what I stated.

From the outset of this insipid thread, I stated that Northern Democratic and Republican lawmakers as is proven by historical fact were the primary supporters of the passing of the civil rights act, and the southern states have had a history of opposition to equality in civil rights. You tried to present Carters victory in 1976 as evidence of this not being the case.

There are a plethora of credible sources that attribute much of his victory in the south to him being from that region and having a rural farming past life. His support of civil rights equality helped him gain 92% of the black vote.

If you are a registered voter, you should know thst elections are cyclical and emotions play a role in their outcome. The inarticulate, boorish, rube who is currently in office is evidence of that fact.

And his support of civil rights, seems to have not hurt him at all with the white voters.

 

[Correll]

The thing here is that the dixiecrats who were southern democrats did primarily switch to the republican party due to integration. There may be several reasons outside of the fact that one wants to claim that Carter swept the south as a bass that it was not so. Number 1 being that no one wanted more Nixon and saw Ford as an extension of Nixon. There was a reason why Regan began is campaign in the town where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found dead sneaking in favor of states rights. Yes there was a southern strategy. The leftist academia did not make this up, a republican political operative did. Reagan did appeal to racism and what Reagan started created what we see today in Trump.

Why Did The South Turn Republican?

There are a range of opinions on this matter so I added the link to a search about this.

why did the south turn fro democrat to republican - Yahoo Search Results

THe Dixiecrats were in the late 40s.

Nixon was a strong supporter of civil rights. He did more to integrate the south than anyone.

This is a fucking moronic myth.

 

[Correll]

The thing here is that the dixiecrats who were southern democrats did primarily switch to the republican party due to integration. There may be several reasons outside of the fact that one wants to claim that Carter swept the south as a bass that it was not so. Number 1 being that no one wanted more Nixon and saw Ford as an extension of Nixon. There was a reason why Regan began is campaign in the town where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found dead sneaking in favor of states rights. Yes there was a southern strategy. The leftist academia did not make this up, a republican political operative did. Reagan did appeal to racism and what Reagan started created what we see today in Trump.

Why Did The South Turn Republican?

There are a range of opinions on this matter so I added the link to a search about this.

why did the south turn fro democrat to republican - Yahoo Search Results

The Republican political operative that you mention was Lee Atwater. The following is the full audio interview with him regarding The Southern Strategy

Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

An adviser took credit for a change in his bosses favor? Gee, that never happens.


1. There is no evidence that Atwater EVER mentioned this to Nixon, nor recommended any actions or policies to pander to white southern racist.

2. There was no policies nor actions taken to attract white racists in the South. THe closest Nixon did to that was to FORCE desegregation thought quickly so as to have it be a dead issue by the time of his re-election. Hardly the way to endear him to racists.