Should AUTOMATIC firearms be legal ?

[ABikerSailor]

I grew up hunting in Montana as a kid and there were always guns around. We had everything from handguns (6 shooters mostly), to semi automatic handguns (only 1 for home defense), to bolt action rifles, which we had the most of.

I also served 20 years in the military, and one tour spent it on the Security Force where I carried a weapon on patrol.

Here is my opinion. If you want a 6 shooter, have as many as you want. If you want a semi automatic pistol, have as many as you want, but you shouldn't be able to shoot more than 10 rounds before having to reload.

If you want a bolt action rifle? Have as many as you want. Not only are they more accurate than semi automatic weapons, but they also come in calibers of sufficient size to bring down big game.

If you want an AR-15? Have as many as you want, just make sure they are like the first model that came out and only carried 6 rounds before having to be reloaded. You don't need 30 to 100 rounds sent downrange before reloading.

Should bump stocks be legal? Hell no. They make AR15's into fully automatic weapons.

Should fully automatic weapons be legal? Not for civilian use. The only reason to "need" a full auto weapon is in a war zone.

Sorry, but I have grown to love my 30 round hi cap mags for my Ruger Mini.

Anybody who wants to take them away can peel them from my cold dead hands.

Are you really such a crappy shot that it takes you 30 rounds to hit your target?

 

[yiostheoy]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

The 2nd Amendment as originally applied is/was against any kind of gun control, other than trigger squeeze.

However a huge problem arose with the freeing of the American Negro slaves, as these destitute and unindoctrinated savages were then wont to commit gun crimes.

Long story short, first the legislatures and then the courts began to sanction "gun control legislation".

it is a misnomer. It controls nothing. But it is a historical reality.

The current SCOTUS under Roberts has already shown their disdain for semi-auto carbines by allowing cities and states to regulate them.

So this is largely a political issue.

Short of imminent impeachment, The Trumpster will be able to seat at least one more SCOTUS justice of his own choosing, who will most likely be pro-strict-constructionist and therefore pro-gun.

My own view is that fully auto carbines spray too much ammo around and burn through your ammo supply too fast.

If I had my own fully auto carbine, which I do not (mine is semi auto only), I would keep the selector switch on semi not full. This is what we teach Soldiers and Marines to do also.

Ergo, if I did have a fully auto carbine, I would not use it on fully auto. I would keep it on semi just as I was originally taught to do by my Uncle Sam and his gunnery sergeants.

Therefore you can further conclude that I do not miss fully auto firearms. Semi is fine for me.

Geez. All that and you failed to answer the question.

I did answer the question.

The answer is that the loaded question is not relevant.

And that it was the legislatures together with the courts that made fully auto guns "illegal". The 2nd Amendment covers these also. But the Roberts Court is not sympathetic.

 

[fncceo]

Ergo, if I did have a fully auto carbine, I would not use it on fully auto. I would keep it on semi just as I was originally taught to do by my Uncle Sam and his gunnery sergeants.

Therefore you can further conclude that I do not miss fully auto firearms. Semi is fine for me.

The automatic firearm has its uses. In close quarters or when the enemy is in enfilade, the effect of automatic fire is devastating.

It's also very useful for covering fire.

As an insurgency weapon, non-selective automatic weapons are easier and cheaper to make. The original STEN gun design could be made in a early bicycle shop. The Israelis made then in secret out of discarded plumbing parts when they were denied firearms by the British.

But, if I was going head-to-head with an enemy, I agree with you, semi-auto or three-shot is perfect. Vietnam-era M-16 fusillades were wasteful and ineffective.

 

[Doc1]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

You aren't trying to "gauge" anything, you're trolling.

What’s trolling about it .? Simple question to measure how far on the gun control spectrum people are .

Are u afraid to answer ?

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy. In your pointy head all gun folks are kooks and psychos.

Not true . Gun folks do not = gun kooks . Two different types of people .

In answer to your OP, no.

 

[Timmy]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

You aren't trying to "gauge" anything, you're trolling.

What’s trolling about it .? Simple question to measure how far on the gun control spectrum people are .

Are u afraid to answer ?

"How far"

Seems like almost no gun violence is done with the weapons in question. There is nothing "far" about allowing people to live as they please, unless of course, you are a far leftist.

Another coward who can’t answer a simple question. You embarrassed at your answer.

 

[Flash]

I have a Class III M-16. Great firearm. Everybody that wants one and will use it for legal purposes should have one.

 

[fncceo]

I also served 20 years in the military

 

[danielpalos]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

sure; they just have to muster and present Arms on a regular basis.

 

[mdk]

I would rather ban automatic idiots, but whatever.

 

[Timmy]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

You aren't trying to "gauge" anything, you're trolling.

What’s trolling about it .? Simple question to measure how far on the gun control spectrum people are .

Are u afraid to answer ?

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy. In your pointy head all gun folks are kooks and psychos.

Not true . Gun folks do not = gun kooks . Two different types of people .

In answer to your OP, no.

Thank you for your answer. Not so hard is it ?

 

[Doc1]

You aren't trying to "gauge" anything, you're trolling.

What’s trolling about it .? Simple question to measure how far on the gun control spectrum people are .

Are u afraid to answer ?

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy. In your pointy head all gun folks are kooks and psychos.

Not true . Gun folks do not = gun kooks . Two different types of people .

In answer to your OP, no.

Thank you for your answer. Not so hard is it ?

I'd suggest you engage in a little self reflection before you attempt sarcasm.

 

[Timmy]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

The 2nd Amendment as originally applied is/was against any kind of gun control, other than trigger squeeze.

However a huge problem arose with the freeing of the American Negro slaves, as these destitute and unindoctrinated savages were then wont to commit gun crimes.

Long story short, first the legislatures and then the courts began to sanction "gun control legislation".

it is a misnomer. It controls nothing. But it is a historical reality.

The current SCOTUS under Roberts has already shown their disdain for semi-auto carbines by allowing cities and states to regulate them.

So this is largely a political issue.

Short of imminent impeachment, The Trumpster will be able to seat at least one more SCOTUS justice of his own choosing, who will most likely be pro-strict-constructionist and therefore pro-gun.

My own view is that fully auto carbines spray too much ammo around and burn through your ammo supply too fast.

If I had my own fully auto carbine, which I do not (mine is semi auto only), I would keep the selector switch on semi not full. This is what we teach Soldiers and Marines to do also.

Ergo, if I did have a fully auto carbine, I would not use it on fully auto. I would keep it on semi just as I was originally taught to do by my Uncle Sam and his gunnery sergeants.

Therefore you can further conclude that I do not miss fully auto firearms. Semi is fine for me.

Geez. All that and you failed to answer the question.

I did answer the question.

The answer is that the loaded question is not relevant.

And that it was the legislatures together with the courts that made fully auto guns "illegal". The 2nd Amendment covers these also. But the Roberts Court is not sympathetic.

How is it a loaded question ?

 

[ABikerSailor]

I also served 20 years in the military

I realize that you are trying to be insulting, but in reality, one of my nicknames actually WAS "Radar". My motto was "you want it, I got it. I ain't got it, I can get it, and if I can't get it, it can't be had". And, I was kinda like Radar in my job as well, because I was a Personnelman, which is a personnel clerk, and I was responsible for a lot of other stuff as well, because I also had collateral duties.

Got the nickname after my First Class made Chief. During Chief's initiations, they come up with some of the most impossible stuff to get and expect the new Chiefs who are being initiated to find them. Ever been asked to find a coloring book and Crayola crayons on a US Navy carrier while deployed in the middle of the Med? I have. And, although my First knew it was a tall order, I actually managed to find him a coloring book and a carton of crayons.

Was also asked once by some of the officers in the Ready Room to see if I could find them a copy of the Jane Kennedy porno tape, and I came up with that one as well.

So yeah, go ahead and call me Radar. It's a nickname I wore with pride.

 

[protectionist]

I can think autos should be banned . But I’m fine wh guns in general as well as concealed carry .

Challenge: Do you think there is no use that an ordinary law-abiding citizen would/could have for an automatic rifle (AKA machine gun) ?

 

[Timmy]

I can think autos should be banned . But I’m fine wh guns in general as well as concealed carry .

Challenge: Do you think there is no use that an ordinary law-abiding citizen would/could have for an automatic rifle (AKA machine gun) ?

Yes I don’t think there is a use for it . Whatever minor use is far outweighed by the danger to the public by the potential criminal use of the weapon .

 

[blackhawk]

No I rather have a pistol preferable a Glock or a Sig Sauer.

 

[Defiant1]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

The right to bear ARMS shall not be infringed.

 

[protectionist]

Yes I don’t think there is a use for it . Whatever minor use is far outweighed by the danger to the public by the potential criminal use of the weapon .

You just contradicted yourself. First you said >> "I don’t think there is a use for it"
Then, you turned right around and said >> "Whatever minor use..."

So you do concede there is some use for it, even by ordinary law-abiding citizens ?

 

[Timmy]

Yes I don’t think there is a use for it . Whatever minor use is far outweighed by the danger to the public by the potential criminal use of the weapon .

You just contradicted yourself. First you said >> "I don’t think there is a use for it"
Then, you turned right around and said >> "Whatever minor use..."

So you do concede there is some use for it, even by ordinary law-abiding citizens ?

You can imagine a use for anything. Maybe you want to use it as a bottle opener that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea should be legal.

 

[beagle9]

I’m trying to gauge the level of the hyper gun crowd here .

They live to lecture about how automatics aren’t really legal, which is true . But that’s water under the bridge .

If you could reverse the ban on auto weapons, would you ?

Because it seems like the gun crowd here is against ANY kind of gun control .

. How about gauging the wacky left's next meltdown, wouldn't that be alot easier ??