Should Army National Guard Troops Shoot Illegal Border Crossers ?

[night_son]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

No.

However, if stopping the migrant caravan comes down to violence or submission on the part of whether or not our government stops it from swarming over our borders, well then why waste the bullets when we can:

 

[dblack]

I'm saying maybe they did set this up, to provoke unhinged authoritarians like yourself to make complete asses out of themselves. To goad you into discrediting you views by promoting extreme, militant violence against civilians.

And you totally fell for it.

Obviously you are totally lost on this whole situation.

1. Defending the USA from invasion

It's only an "invasion" in the minds of dementia patients.

IF you could SHOW one example of how I could be seen as "unhinged authoritarian", I might be inclined to discuss the preposterous poppycock.

I haven't seen a post of yours that doesn't supply this.

Actually, to rational people it is a kind of invasion. These people tore down the fence along the Mexican border, confronted Mexican riot police and overwhelmed them by sheer force of numbers, injuring several police, rejected a offer of asylum in Mexico along with a path to citizenship and stated their determination to enter the US, presumably with the same violence they showed toward the Mexican border guards and riot police. And if they attempt to use force to enter the US, they are no longer civilians but combatants.

Uh huh. A 'kind' of invasion. Well, then let's send a 'kind' of military (like the police or the border patrol) instead of wasting time and money on the real thing. Seriously, this isn't about protecting the border. It's a political stunt to incite militant whack-jobs like protectionist.

 

[dblack]

It does? How so? Are you just making shit up?

No, that is exactly what you said. Maybe you are not smart enough to understand your own posts.

So, making shit up. Quote it or STFU.

lol Are you crazy or just stupid? Read your post that I responded to instead of asking me to quote it for you. Perhaps you were just so wrapped up in trying to insult another poster you didn't grasp the full import of what you wrote.

No, I caught you in a lie. I'm not agreeing with Democrats. I don't think it's good idea. I'm pointing out the irony in the OP's paranoia. If it is a 'vast left wing conspiracy', then he totally fell for it.

lol No, you didn't catch me in a lie; I caught you in a stupidly you are now trying to run away from.

No, I did. You made the incorrect assumption that I agree with Democrats, because I don't agree with Trump. And I don't. Never have. Stow it.

 

[KissMy]

All we need to do is send a Black US prisoner to country of origin of each & every illegal border crosser. They will slam those borders shut ASAP.

 

[protectionist]

He said perhaps they did organize this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad, which is very similar to what you said.

WRONG. I did NOT say the Democrats "organized this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad" That thought is YOURS, not mine.

MY thought on it is that the caravan makes people who oppose it (primarily Republicans) look GOOD. ( as I have stated repeatedly further back in the thread)

And I have also stated previously in the thread, that the reason Democrats MIGHT be doing this, is to get the caravaners into the US so they could VOTE in the 2018 elections, in 4 US states (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, & California)

 

[protectionist]

lol Are you crazy or just stupid? Read your post that I responded to instead of asking me to quote it for you. Perhaps you were just so wrapped up in trying to insult another poster you didn't grasp the full import of what you wrote.

You don't seem to have too tight a handle on what YOU are posting.

 

[protectionist]

When I think you're smart or sane enough to comprehend the answer, I'll indulge you. Don't hold your breath.

Exactly what I thought. You have no answer.

 

[protectionist]

Actually, to rational people it is a kind of invasion. These people tore down the fence along the Mexican border, confronted Mexican riot police and overwhelmed them by sheer force of numbers, injuring several police, rejected a offer of asylum in Mexico along with a path to citizenship and stated their determination to enter the US, presumably with the same violence they showed toward the Mexican border guards and riot police. And if they attempt to use force to enter the US, they are no longer civilians but combatants.

Now you're taking sense. Good post.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I'm saying maybe they did set this up, to provoke unhinged authoritarians like yourself to make complete asses out of themselves. To goad you into discrediting you views by promoting extreme, militant violence against civilians.

And you totally fell for it.

Obviously you are totally lost on this whole situation.

1. Defending the USA from invasion

It's only an "invasion" in the minds of dementia patients.

IF you could SHOW one example of how I could be seen as "unhinged authoritarian", I might be inclined to discuss the preposterous poppycock.

I haven't seen a post of yours that doesn't supply this.

Actually, to rational people it is a kind of invasion. These people tore down the fence along the Mexican border, confronted Mexican riot police and overwhelmed them by sheer force of numbers, injuring several police, rejected a offer of asylum in Mexico along with a path to citizenship and stated their determination to enter the US, presumably with the same violence they showed toward the Mexican border guards and riot police. And if they attempt to use force to enter the US, they are no longer civilians but combatants.

Uh huh. A 'kind' of invasion. Well, then let's send a 'kind' of military (like the police or the border patrol) instead of wasting time and money on the real thing. Seriously, this isn't about protecting the border. It's a political stunt to incite militant whack-jobs like protectionist.

If they use force to try to enter the US, as they did to enter Mexico, it is an invasion, and by definition, they become combatants, not civilians, and all necessary force to stop them is justified.

 

[toomuchtime_]

He said perhaps they did organize this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad, which is very similar to what you said.

WRONG. I did NOT say the Democrats "organized this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad" That thought is YOURS, not mine.

MY thought on it is that the caravan makes people who oppose it (primarily Republicans) look GOOD. ( as I have stated repeatedly further back in the thread)

And I have also stated previously in the thread, that the reason Democrats MIGHT be doing this, is to get the caravaners into the US so they could VOTE in the 2018 elections, in 4 US states (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, & California)

Basically, both you and he said Democrats may have organized this movement for political purposes. You and he put a different spin on what that political purpose might be.

 

[protectionist]

Uh huh. A 'kind' of invasion. Well, then let's send a 'kind' of military (like the police or the border patrol) instead of wasting time and money on the real thing. Seriously, this isn't about protecting the border. It's a political stunt to incite militant whack-jobs like protectionist.

"Political stunt" set up by whom ?

 

[protectionist]

Basically, both you and he said Democrats may have organized this movement for political purposes. You and he put a different spin on what that political purpose might be.

I'm not putting a spin. Just a speculation. Everybody's free to speculate.

 

[beagle9]

My prayer is that those who have joined the caravaners and increased their original numbers fourfold are not militia who now have them as their captives.
If they are, it puts a burden on our National Guard to be perfect marksmen able to determine at a glance militia from civilians who now may be being herded instead of shepherded. Mexico is not confronting this issue and have not reimbursed us for dumping its own criminals onto our soil so they will skip on the expense it is to incarcerate hardened and serial criminals. It's only right they should be a good neighbor and stop this conspiracy fomenting within their borders before this particular caravan reaches our border.

Mexico has been an enemy of the US for decades, taking away our businesses, and engaging in Mexican imperialism upon us, by sending poor people here to take our jobs, and raid our economy for tens of Billions$$/year in remittances, and they are still doing it now. A few years ago, then Mexican president Vicente Fox bragged and gloated about it, while Mexican ass-kisser George W. Bush did nothing.

So it's no surprise they would not be helpful in this fiasco.

Vicente Fox Says Remittances Largest Source Of Revenue Since 2003, Gloats At Getting Illegals And Matricula Consular Into US : Diggers Realm

If it keeps on, then I predict a war with Mexico over this bullcrap. Them aiding and abetting all of this in order to sit back and watch us melt down like this will not go un-noticed and hopefully will not go unpunished.

Actually, Mexico is now trying to cooperate with the US in stopping the migrants from reaching the US border. Mexico has offered asylum to any who apply, along with work visas and a path to Mexican citizenship, but the migrants voted to reject the offer. While Mexico is avoiding a dirent confrontation with the main body of the migrants, they are preventing other groups from joining them, not allowing any of the to use buses or trains and refusing to provide any assistance, such as food, bathrooms or medical assistance unless they turn themselves in.

Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

Hmmm. I wonder if the caravan views the Mexican government as seriously corrupt or not very nice people in that country ??

They figure we are push over's here after what has taken place in the past. Make our beds, then we have to lay in them, but there is always room for corrections.

 

[dblack]

When I think you're smart or sane enough to comprehend the answer, I'll indulge you. Don't hold your breath.

Exactly what I thought. You have no answer.

On second thought, DO hold you breath. I'll answer you shortly.

 

[dblack]

He said perhaps they did organize this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad, which is very similar to what you said.

WRONG. I did NOT say the Democrats "organized this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad" That thought is YOURS, not mine.

MY thought on it is that the caravan makes people who oppose it (primarily Republicans) look GOOD. ( as I have stated repeatedly further back in the thread)

And I have also stated previously in the thread, that the reason Democrats MIGHT be doing this, is to get the caravaners into the US so they could VOTE in the 2018 elections, in 4 US states (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, & California)

Basically, both you and he said Democrats may have organized this movement for political purposes. You and he put a different spin on what that political purpose might be.

You're still lying. protectionist proposed the conspiracy. I was just pointing out what it said about him if it were true.

 

[danielpalos]

He said perhaps they did organize this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad, which is very similar to what you said.

WRONG. I did NOT say the Democrats "organized this to make people who oppose the caravan look bad" That thought is YOURS, not mine.

MY thought on it is that the caravan makes people who oppose it (primarily Republicans) look GOOD. ( as I have stated repeatedly further back in the thread)

And I have also stated previously in the thread, that the reason Democrats MIGHT be doing this, is to get the caravaners into the US so they could VOTE in the 2018 elections, in 4 US states (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, & California)

the right wing has no capital solutions; Government solutions is all they have.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

From what I have heard he is sending regular troops not the guard. Wise imo since the governor's command their respective troops.

The National Guard is both a state AND a national a military force. Ordinarily, it is at the command of the governor of the state of that particular Guard. But the president can federalize the Guard any time, and put them under his command. (as when the Guard has served in wars overseas many times)

The point I was making is that Trump said he was going to send regular military. This decision takes away the ability for leftist governors to sue him to stop the action.

 

[protectionist]

On second thought, DO hold you breath. I'll answer you shortly.

I'm waiting.

 

[protectionist]

You're still lying. protectionist proposed the conspiracy. I was just pointing out what it said about him if it were true.

CORRECTION: what your crazy lefty mind was concocting about what it was saying about me.

 

[protectionist]

Political Hotwire has closed this thread "for review" HA HA HA. Good grief! Can you believe how unhinged they are ? Here's a list of 5 media (liberal) outlets who have published the topic already >>

Border Patrol Has No Intention 'Right Now' to Shoot at Caravan Migrants If They Approach U.S. Border

DHS Secretary says no plans ‘right now’ to shoot at migrant caravan

Kirstjen Nielsen Says U.S. Has No Intention Of Shooting Caravan Migrants | HuffPost

DHS Chief: Military Has ‘No Intention’ Of Shooting At Caravan

No 'intention right now' to shoot if caravan crosses border, DHS secretary says