Sharia Law

[Foxfyre]

I know it isn't PC to see it or acknowledge it, but the point made here is that the larger percentage of Muslims that accrues, the more 'radicalization' WILL--not might, but WILL--occur. It is required of them as one of the basic tenets of their religion.

#1) What exactly do you mean by radicalization?

#2) Please show me anywhere in the Quran where so called "radicalization" is a basic tenet of Islam?

In this context 'radicalization' is the implementation of Sharia Law. And you yourself have said that this is what the Qu'ran teaches and that Islam does intend that all the world shall be under the authority of Allah even as you sidestepped questions re how that will be accomplished. You also chided Christians as being spineless because they don't punish those who mock or criticize the figurehead of that faith, which to me is a pretty radical position.

If you tell me that you, a Muslim, would oppose the implementation of Sharia Law in the USA, then you will be off the hook on this.

 

[Sunni Man]

I know it isn't PC to see it or acknowledge it, but the point made here is that the larger percentage of Muslims that accrues, the more 'radicalization' WILL--not might, but WILL--occur. It is required of them as one of the basic tenets of their religion.

#1) What exactly do you mean by radicalization?

#2) Please show me anywhere in the Quran where so called "radicalization" is a basic tenet of Islam?

In this context 'radicalization' is the implementation of Sharia Law. And you yourself have said that this is what the Qu'ran teaches and that Islam does intend that all the world shall be under the authority of Allah even as you sidestepped questions re how that will be accomplished. You also chided Christians as being spineless because they don't punish those who mock or criticize the figurehead of that faith, which to me is a pretty radical position.

If you tell me that you, a Muslim, would oppose the implementation of Sharia Law in the USA, then you will be off the hook on this.

Thank you for your answer.

Yes, I would like to see the whole world become Islamic .

Just the same as Christian missionaries who travel the world seeking to have it accept Christ and become Christian.


And yes, Muslims are shocked when they see the prophet Jesus.

Dipped in urine and covered in manure in the name of art.

While Christians set back and do nothing.


We refuse to let that happen to our Prophet without consequences.

 

[Foxfyre]

#1) What exactly do you mean by radicalization?

#2) Please show me anywhere in the Quran where so called "radicalization" is a basic tenet of Islam?

In this context 'radicalization' is the implementation of Sharia Law. And you yourself have said that this is what the Qu'ran teaches and that Islam does intend that all the world shall be under the authority of Allah even as you sidestepped questions re how that will be accomplished. You also chided Christians as being spineless because they don't punish those who mock or criticize the figurehead of that faith, which to me is a pretty radical position.

If you tell me that you, a Muslim, would oppose the implementation of Sharia Law in the USA, then you will be off the hook on this.

Thank you for your answer.

Yes, I would like to see the whole world become Islamic .

Just the same as Christian missionaries who travel the world seeking to have it accept Christ and become Christian.


And yes, Muslims are shocked when they see the prophet Jesus.

Dipped in urine and covered in manure in the name of art.

While Christians set back and do nothing.


We refuse to let that happen to our Prophet without consequences.

You dodged the part re implementation of Sharia Law in the USA

One difference between Christians and Muslims is that the Christian religion recognizes unalienable rights that come from God and it is not for humans to rescind those. So even if some cretin or evil mind desicrates the image of the Christ as you have described, that image is but an image and is not the Christ who is far larger and powerful than the puny efforts of some sicko who would do that to His image. And by NOT rescinding the unalienable rights of another to believe as he chooses, we demonstrate our faith that is to attract and invite, not force, people into the love and salvation Christ offers. The Christian God needs no defense from the puny insults of humankind and is not honored when people are maligned, murdered or targeted for murder because they do not yet know Him.

I want that to remain the policy and impulse of freedom loving Americans. Do you?

 

[Iridescence]

It is an interesting thing to me to read what some say Christianity is for them because we are obviously all at different spiritual levels of understanding...

 

[Sunni Man]

I did not dodge anything.

Of course we would like sharia law to rule the land.

Muslims also believe in inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


But the West has taken these freedoms to an extreme.

And allows anything and everything no matter the consequences or what it does to their fellow citizens.

We believe in freedom but there must be boundaries.

 

[High_Gravity]

Our Founders warned that we must be ever vigilent and aware to protect and defend freedoms that we too often take for granted. We must be aware that there are well intentioned people in the world who do not agree with our freedoms and who would deny them to us given the chance. We must not capitulate our unalienable rights out of some mushy sense of tolerance or political correctness.

We must not give in to the self comforting but false assurance that 'it couldn't happen here." I can no longer count the cultural shifts that have happened in my lifetime that I once thought the American people would never stand for that.

In Europe and Africa and Asia, we are already watching Sharia Law gradually take hold.

Some of the following links are decidedly biased, but the information provided is very difficult to dispute. It happens again and again that as the Muslim population increases, it will demand more accommodation. And no country that becomes predominantly Muslim recognizes unalienable or human rights or allows a lot of personal freedoms.



African nations that are not yet Muslim are under particular pressure to accommodate Sharia Law:




And according to a Pew Report, the numbers will change in North America over the next couple of decades and, if the trends hold true, so will the pressures to accommodate Sharia Law.

You have a point in the growth in numbers, they are going through hell in Nigeria with all the radical Muslims who want Sharia law.

I know it isn't PC to see it or acknowledge it, but the point made here is that the larger percentage of Muslims that accrues, the more 'radicalization' WILL--not might, but WILL--occur. It is required of them as one of the basic tenets of their religion. And as Muslim populations increse in the USA we better set aside any notion of 'it can't happen here' and be ready to put the original intent of the Constitution ahead of any allegiance to political correctness or fuzzy concepts of tolerance.

It does seem to be the precedent, they are already knocking on the door in England demanding Sharia law, what can be done to prevent that from occuring here?

 

[Foxfyre]

I did not dodge anything.

Of course we would like sharia law to rule the land.

Muslims also believe in inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


But the West has taken these freedoms to an extreme.

And allows anything and everything no matter the consequences or what it does to their fellow citizens.

We believe in freedom but there must be boundaries.

For a strict Constitutionalist, each individual's unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness end at the point that another person must contribute or participate. Therefore I have every right to obey all of Sharia Law as I choose--except the parts that are illegal here--but I have no right to impose it or require it of any other. Those who believe in unalienable rights allow people to form whatever sort of society they wish to have but do not allow them to require another group to form the same sort of society.

I don't think Islam exactly follows that concept which is why there are few human rights and no recognized unalienable rights in any country in which Islam has a majority.

 

[High_Gravity]

I did not dodge anything.

Of course we would like sharia law to rule the land.

Muslims also believe in inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

But the West has taken these freedoms to an extreme.

And allows anything and everything no matter the consequences or what it does to their fellow citizens.

We believe in freedom but there must be boundaries.

The thing is Sharia law and Liberty are on the total opposite ends of each other Sunni.

 

[High_Gravity]

If someone wants to live their life according to Sharia, fine, but why does it have to be the rule of law for everyone else that lives in the country?

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

You have a point in the growth in numbers, they are going through hell in Nigeria with all the radical Muslims who want Sharia law.

I know it isn't PC to see it or acknowledge it, but the point made here is that the larger percentage of Muslims that accrues, the more 'radicalization' WILL--not might, but WILL--occur. It is required of them as one of the basic tenets of their religion. And as Muslim populations increse in the USA we better set aside any notion of 'it can't happen here' and be ready to put the original intent of the Constitution ahead of any allegiance to political correctness or fuzzy concepts of tolerance.

I'm all for that! Lets get rid of the Liberals now and we have it made. Nothing fuzzy about that.

Even if all contemporary liberals were wiped from the face of the earth, there would still be a left. Within the republican sphere there are varied approaches to policies, not all think the same.

 

[R.D.]

I did not dodge anything.

Of course we would like sharia law to rule the land.

Muslims also believe in inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


But the West has taken these freedoms to an extreme.

And allows anything and everything no matter the consequences or what it does to their fellow citizens.

We believe in freedom but there must be boundaries.

Yeah, I hear ya. Rape being shunned in the West is just awful.

 

[Foxfyre]

If someone wants to live their life according to Sharia, fine, but why does it have to be the rule of law for everyone else that lives in the country?

Because that is a cornerstone of the Islamic faith spelled out in the Qu'ran and other holy writings.

The Founders also knew that the Constitutional concept protecting unalienable rights would work only for a religious and moral people, and as the Christian and Jewish religions have come under increasing attack, too many are going to a more humanist/secular ethics and morality resulting in the deterioration of western civilization that I think Sunni is alluding to.

However, this situation is not unprecedented and such periods have historically been followed by a great national revival that puts us back on track for awhile. I remain the eternal optimist.

 

[Sunni Man]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

 

[R.D.]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

Only because it would imply the woman are acting freely.

 

[High_Gravity]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

Even if porn was outlawed in the US today it would not go away, the industry would just be driven underground and the demand would actually go up, like with alcohol during prohibition.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

As long as the actors are of age and consentual, who cares about porn? I honestly couldn't care less if my neighbor spends his/her time watching it. As long as I am not forced to with them, who cares?

This is what we westerners don't understand Sunni, why worry about others indulgences as long as you're not being victimized?

 

[Sunni Man]

Adult toys stores and pornography distribution would be against the law and shut down.

Those who were caught in possession or distribution of photography would be arrested and tried in a court of law.

We do that currently with child pornography.

So there is no reason we can't do it with all pornography

 

[Foxfyre]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

But under Sharia Law, a few clerics would dictate what was immoral and decadent would they not? And require all to live under their dictates of what was immoral and decadent. And punish any who taught or spoke a different opinion on that.

Under the principle of unalienable rights as the U.S. Constitution protects, it is the people who decide for themselves what will be immoral and decadent. And those people who don't want it in their community don't have it; those who do will have it. It was never intended that either the federal government nor the Church (of any religion) would have the power to dictate what the people would or would not choose for their own society short of violating the unalienable rights of any individual. You are right that the Founding Fathers would have disapproved pornography and would have voted to outlaw it in their communities. But they wanted a religious and moral people to do that, not the U.S. government.

We have seen in our own federal government that giving it even a little power to dictate such things results in more and more power flowing to a central authority and fewer freedoms being allowed the people. Countries with Islamic majorities take that to an extreme.

So, for me, I cannot agree that any part of Sharia Law be the rule of the land at all in the USA.

 

[Sunni Man]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

As long as the actors are of age and consentual, who cares about porn? I honestly couldn't care less if my neighbor spends his/her time watching it. As long as I am not forced to with them, who cares?

This is what we westerners don't understand Sunni, why worry about others indulgences as long as you're not being victimized?

Photography contributes to the corruption of the national psyche.

And has no social redeeming value.

The United States have some of the highest rape statistics in the world

And the vast number of child molesters is unprecedented.

It has been shown that both of these categories of people were heavily into photography.

 

[High_Gravity]

Adult toys stores and pornography distribution would be against the law and shut down.

Those who were caught in possession or distribution of photography would be arrested and tried in a court of law.

We do that currently with child pornography.

So there is no reason we can't do it with all pornography

Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it still won't be there, weed is illegal and it is everywhere, and child porn is not the same as adult porno.