Sharia Law

[High_Gravity]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

As long as the actors are of age and consentual, who cares about porn? I honestly couldn't care less if my neighbor spends his/her time watching it. As long as I am not forced to with them, who cares?

This is what we westerners don't understand Sunni, why worry about others indulgences as long as you're not being victimized?

Photography contributes to the corruption of the national psyche.

And has no social redeeming value.

The United States have some of the highest rape statistics in the world

And the vast number of child molesters is unprecedented.

It has been shown that both of these categories of people were heavily into photography.

Photography?

 

[High_Gravity]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

But under Sharia Law, a few clerics would dictate what was immoral and decadent would they not? And require all to live under their dictates of what was immoral and decadent. And punish any who taught or spoke a different opinion on that.

Under the principle of unalienable rights as the U.S. Constitution protects, it is the people who decide for themselves what will be immoral and decadent. And those people who don't want it in their community don't have it; those who do will have it. It was never intended that either the federal government nor the Church (of any religion) would have the power to dictate what the people would or would not choose for their own society short of violating the unalienable rights of any individual. You are right that the Founding Fathers would have disapproved pornography and would have voted to outlaw it in their communities. But they wanted a religious and moral people to do that, not the U.S. government.

We have seen in our own federal government that giving it even a little power to dictate such things results in more and more power flowing to a central authority and fewer freedoms being allowed the people. Countries with Islamic majorities take that to an extreme.

So, for me, I cannot agree that any part of Sharia Law be the rule of the land at all in the USA.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

Let's take Freedom of Speech for instance.

The Founding Fathers wanted it so that people could address grievances against the government or political figures with out being arrested

But now the courts have twisted it to mean free speech of anything including pornography and pornographic art.

So that now people think when they are fighting for freedom they are fighting to protect the right to make and distribute pornography.

This was never the Founding Fathers intention for our nation are its people.

And would be outlawed under Sharia Law as immoral and decadent .

As long as the actors are of age and consentual, who cares about porn? I honestly couldn't care less if my neighbor spends his/her time watching it. As long as I am not forced to with them, who cares?

This is what we westerners don't understand Sunni, why worry about others indulgences as long as you're not being victimized?

Photography contributes to the corruption of the national psyche.

And has no social redeeming value.

The United States have some of the highest rape statistics in the world

And the vast number of child molesters is unprecedented.

It has been shown that both of these categories of people were heavily into photography.

While I'll agree over exposure to anything is not healthy, I've watched porn and am yet to have the urge to rape or molest. Just as every alcoholic has had a drink, not everybody who has is an alcoholic. I am in no way attempting to change your mindset, I can understand it and accept it and respect that these decisions are right for you. So, why can I not expect the same in return?

Does this make sense?

 

[Sunni Man]

No

 

[High_Gravity]

If you don't like porn, don't watch it. Pretty simple.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

No

ok.

 

[R.D.]

Photography contributes to the corruption of the national psyche.

And has no social redeeming value.

The United States have some of the highest rape statistics in the world

And the vast number of child molesters is unprecedented.

It has been shown that both of these categories of people were heavily into photography.

Taking the word out of "your" vocaburlay doesn't make it so.

You fear giving women a free choice of husbands, basic fear of rejection. And free will over their bodies, sophmoric macho inferiority complex. That creates a culture of men that that cannot compete as providers or lovers for their wives and normally you would be considered undesirable husbands. Since they have no choice you really don't care that your "manhood" is a mockery. The following sites prove your porn theory only wishful thinking. Since you probalby fail to please the woman in your life you look elsewhere where the players pretend you da man for a buck


Call it Pornistan
Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for ‘horse sex’ since 2004, ‘donkey sex’ since 2007, ‘rape pictures’ between 2004 and 2009, ‘rape sex’ since 2004, ‘child sex’ between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, ‘animal sex’ since 2004 and ‘dog sex’ since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms

Muslim world's dirty secret: porn is rife, everyone looks at it—and the U.S. finds it in militants' hideouts all the time.

 

[Sunni Man]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

 

[Foxfyre]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

 

[High_Gravity]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

You can't be for Liberty and want Sharia as the law of the land at the same time, thats like being a member of the KKK and wanting to marry a black woman.

 

[R.D.]

You can't be for Liberty and want Sharia as the law of the land at the same time, thats like being a member of the KKK and wanting to marry a black woman.

Yep. But all racist, bigots and oppressors think they have the right. Common sense and the dignity of others elude them. It's just kinda sic kthey try to give God credit for their ugly

 

[Foxfyre]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

You can't be for Liberty and want Sharia as the law of the land at the same time, thats like being a member of the KKK and wanting to marry a black woman.

But what the KKK considers acceptable is limited to them. Who among us would want a law passed anywhere that specified that a white person cannot marry a black person? We've already done that part of our history and came to understand how much that violated our most basic unalienable rights. We're deteriorated in some ways, as Sunni has accurately pointed out, but in many ways we have learned to be much better than we once were.

In time Islam may come to a more enlightened way of thinking also. But until they do, I for one don't want them to gain the slightest toehold of power in this country.

 

[High_Gravity]

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

You can't be for Liberty and want Sharia as the law of the land at the same time, thats like being a member of the KKK and wanting to marry a black woman.

But what the KKK considers acceptable is limited to them. Who among us would want a law passed anywhere that specified that a white person cannot marry a black person? We've already done that part of our history and came to understand how much that violated our most basic unalienable rights. We're deteriorated in some ways, as Sunni has accurately pointed out, but in many ways we have learned to be much better than we once were.

In time Islam may come to a more enlightened way of thinking also. But until they do, I for one don't want them to gain the slightest toehold of power in this country.

I agree I have been to countries that practice strict Islamic law and its too restrictive and boring, I definently want no part of any religious law here of any kind.

 

[Sunni Man]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

Not at all.

For pornography to be listed as an inalienable right is perverse.

And just shows how decadent the West has become.

 

[High_Gravity]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

Not at all.

For pornography to be listed as an inalienable right is perverse.

And just shows how decadent the West has become.

Porn is hardly a Western thing, it is in every country including the Muslim ones.

 

[Foxfyre]

You can't be for Liberty and want Sharia as the law of the land at the same time, thats like being a member of the KKK and wanting to marry a black woman.

But what the KKK considers acceptable is limited to them. Who among us would want a law passed anywhere that specified that a white person cannot marry a black person? We've already done that part of our history and came to understand how much that violated our most basic unalienable rights. We're deteriorated in some ways, as Sunni has accurately pointed out, but in many ways we have learned to be much better than we once were.

In time Islam may come to a more enlightened way of thinking also. But until they do, I for one don't want them to gain the slightest toehold of power in this country.

I agree I have been to countries that practice strict Islamic law and its too restrictive and boring, I definently want no part of any religious law here of any kind.

That's why the U.S. Constitution makes us unique upon nations in recognition of God given unalienable rights. And it was intended that every federal law would be targeted at protecting and defening the unalienable rights of the people so that they would be truly free to form whatever sort of society they wanted so long as that society recognized and protected unalienable rights. That is a concept that is being poor taught these days, I think, and needs to be re-emphasized at all levels of society.

The First Amendment of our Constitution guarantees that there will be no religious law of any kind imposed by the Federal government. Should the Federal government ever honor any part of Sharia Law, it all falls apart because no freedoms will ever be protected or guaranteed again in this nation.

 

[Foxfyre]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

Not at all.

For pornography to be listed as an inalienable right is perverse.

And just shows how decadent the West has become.

An unalienable right is that which requires no participation or contribution by any other. And as long as pornography meets that criteria, it is indeed an unalienable right. But that's where Sharia Law and unalienable rights part company. Whenever you start dictating what are acceptable rights and what aren't, there are really no rights at all.

Which is why I say unalienable rights incorporated into Sharia Law is an oxymoron.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

No true and devout Muslim is going to want to keep pornography legal under sharia law.

Well that's commendable if that is your personal conviction, but you've already created a credibility problem here.

On one hand you say that Sharia Law respects unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

On the other you have already advocated the central government disallowing free speech (if it disrespects your prophet) and pornography (which might be one man's art). These are some pretty basic unalienable rights issues don't you think?

Not at all.

For pornography to be listed as an inalienable right is perverse.

And just shows how decadent the West has become.

Porn isn't an inalienable right, the CHOICE to look at it is.

 

[Sunni Man]

In time Islam may come to a more enlightened way of thinking also. But until they do, I for one don't want them to gain the slightest toehold of power in this country.

It always makes me laugh when I hear Western people talk about Islam needs to become "enlightened"

Which is basically code for, "become and behave just like we do"

The Native Americans heard the same thing.

And so did the Africans, Indians, and Asians all over the world.

 

[High_Gravity]

But what the KKK considers acceptable is limited to them. Who among us would want a law passed anywhere that specified that a white person cannot marry a black person? We've already done that part of our history and came to understand how much that violated our most basic unalienable rights. We're deteriorated in some ways, as Sunni has accurately pointed out, but in many ways we have learned to be much better than we once were.

In time Islam may come to a more enlightened way of thinking also. But until they do, I for one don't want them to gain the slightest toehold of power in this country.

I agree I have been to countries that practice strict Islamic law and its too restrictive and boring, I definently want no part of any religious law here of any kind.

That's why the U.S. Constitution makes us unique upon nations in recognition of God given unalienable rights. And it was intended that every federal law would be targeted at protecting and defening the unalienable rights of the people so that they would be truly free to form whatever sort of society they wanted so long as that society recognized and protected unalienable rights. That is a concept that is being poor taught these days, I think, and needs to be re-emphasized at all levels of society.

The First Amendment of our Constitution guarantees that there will be no religious law of any kind imposed by the Federal government. Should the Federal government ever honor any part of Sharia Law, it all falls apart because no freedoms will ever be protected or guaranteed again in this nation.

Sharia law goes against everything in the constitution, free speech, womens rights, separation of church and state etc all go against strict Islamic law, the 2 systems are incompatible in my opinion.