Seriously cannot get over this disturbing 9/11 issue?

[creativedreams]

What I seriously cannot get over is the fact that the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it.

Each building has many VERTICAL core columns that run from bedrock to the top floor. These core columns are fastened and welded together all the way up making them virtually one solid length of steel from bedrock to the top floor. They acted as if they did not even exist to provide hardly any resistance. Somehow the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it even though it had to work its way all the way down through all these VERTICAL support columns.

NONE of the debunking propaganda addresses the VERTICAL core columns and actually mislead by focusing on the horizontal floor trusses.

The VERTICAL core columns are the many tree trunks of the steel structured buildings and the HORIZONTAL trusses the debunking propaganda focuses on are the tree branches of the steel structured buildings.

How did our country evolve to get debunking propaganda to sway votes against new investigations....instead of just having a new investigation?

How many upper floors were in free fall? Once they started dropping the weight of the upper floors in free fall easily over came the Resistance available from the lower floors. Pretty simple concept.

The ONLY way to achieve freefall is if every VERTICAL support column COMPLETELY removed itself in blown out sections all the way down to not even be in the way to provide ANY resistance.

Somehow 47 VERTICAL columns that run from bedrock to the top floor act as if they were not even there to allow the top floor to hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside them.

Cutting the top of a tree doesn't magically make it fall straight down through its own trunk and end with all the pieces with a perfect fit for the woodstove.

47 Treetrunks in each Twin Tower magically weakend at the top and ended up with all the sections fitting the wood stove.

 

[xotoxi]

Seriously cannot get over this disturbing 9/11 issue?

SERIOUSLY!

 

[editec]

What I seriously cannot get over is the fact that the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it.

Each building has many VERTICAL core columns that run from bedrock to the top floor. These core columns are fastened and welded together all the way up making them virtually one solid length of steel from bedrock to the top floor. They acted as if they did not even exist to provide hardly any resistance. Somehow the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it even though it had to work its way all the way down through all these VERTICAL support columns.

NONE of the debunking propaganda addresses the VERTICAL core columns and actually mislead by focusing on the horizontal floor trusses.

The VERTICAL core columns are the many tree trunks of the steel structured buildings and the HORIZONTAL trusses the debunking propaganda focuses on are the tree branches of the steel structured buildings.

How did our country evolve to get debunking propaganda to sway votes against new investigations....instead of just having a new investigation?

Each building has many VERTICAL core columns that run from bedrock to the top floor. These core columns are fastened and welded together all the way up making them virtually one solid length of steel from bedrock to the top floor.

I haven't made a study of it but I think your vertical column theory is wrong.

WTC was renoun for it's LACK of an internal struture (vertical columns) holding it together. And it was FAMOUS for that unique structure long before 9-11, too.

The supporting verticle structure was the OUTSIDE WALLS of that structure

Horizon beams connected to the outerwalls to create the floors.

So when the building's horizonal beams lost their integrity (due to the extreme heat of the fires), so did those outer walls since they depended on the horizonal beams to maintain their stuctural integrity, too.

At least that is my understanding of why the bulding pancaked like it did.

You do realize that if the building had had the normal boxlike girder structure, in order for it to have collapsed the way it did, they'd have had to put timed charges at every floor level to achieve the collapse we saw, right?

Timed charges would have been needed on EVERY FLOOR and at every joint of the verticle columns, too.

Doe yiou seriously believe that they could have set the building with that many charges without somebody in the building not noticing that?

I mean really?

 

[Fizz]

What I seriously cannot get over is the fact that the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it.

Each building has many VERTICAL core columns that run from bedrock to the top floor. These core columns are fastened and welded together all the way up making them virtually one solid length of steel from bedrock to the top floor. They acted as if they did not even exist to provide hardly any resistance. Somehow the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it even though it had to work its way all the way down through all these VERTICAL support columns.

NONE of the debunking propaganda addresses the VERTICAL core columns and actually mislead by focusing on the horizontal floor trusses.

The VERTICAL core columns are the many tree trunks of the steel structured buildings and the HORIZONTAL trusses the debunking propaganda focuses on are the tree branches of the steel structured buildings.

How did our country evolve to get debunking propaganda to sway votes against new investigations....instead of just having a new investigation?

How many upper floors were in free fall? Once they started dropping the weight of the upper floors in free fall easily over came the Resistance available from the lower floors. Pretty simple concept.

The ONLY way to achieve freefall is if every VERTICAL support column COMPLETELY removed itself in blown out sections all the way down to not even be in the way to provide ANY resistance.

Somehow 47 VERTICAL columns that run from bedrock to the top floor act as if they were not even there to allow the top floor to hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside them.

Cutting the top of a tree doesn't magically make it fall straight down through its own trunk and end with all the pieces with a perfect fit for the woodstove.

47 Treetrunks in each Twin Tower magically weakend at the top and ended up with all the sections fitting the wood stove.

one of the many places where your logic falls is the fact that the buildings didnt come down at freefall speeds.

it makes your entire argument irrelevant.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

What I seriously cannot get over is the fact that the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it.

Each building has many VERTICAL core columns that run from bedrock to the top floor. These core columns are fastened and welded together all the way up making them virtually one solid length of steel from bedrock to the top floor. They acted as if they did not even exist to provide hardly any resistance. Somehow the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it even though it had to work its way all the way down through all these VERTICAL support columns.

NONE of the debunking propaganda addresses the VERTICAL core columns and actually mislead by focusing on the horizontal floor trusses.

The VERTICAL core columns are the many tree trunks of the steel structured buildings and the HORIZONTAL trusses the debunking propaganda focuses on are the tree branches of the steel structured buildings.

How did our country evolve to get debunking propaganda to sway votes against new investigations....instead of just having a new investigation?

Each building has many VERTICAL core columns that run from bedrock to the top floor. These core columns are fastened and welded together all the way up making them virtually one solid length of steel from bedrock to the top floor.

I haven't made a study of it but I think your vertical column theory is wrong.

WTC was renoun for it's LACK of an internal struture (vertical columns) holding it together. And it was FAMOUS for that unique structure long before 9-11, too.

The supporting verticle structure was the OUTSIDE WALLS of that structure

Horizon beams connected to the outerwalls to create the floors.

So when the building's horizonal beams lost their integrity (due to the extreme heat of the fires), so did those outer walls since they depended on the horizonal beams to maintain their stuctural integrity, too.

At least that is my understanding of why the bulding pancaked like it did.

You do realize that if the building had had the normal boxlike girder structure, in order for it to have collapsed the way it did, they'd have had to put timed charges at every floor level to achieve the collapse we saw, right?

Timed charges would have been needed on EVERY FLOOR and at every joint of the verticle columns, too.

Doe yiou seriously believe that they could have set the building with that many charges without somebody in the building not noticing that?

I mean really?

Dude you been listening to the these trolls here in this section too much,the 9/11 official conspiracy theory aploogists.simple as hell to set the charges in the towers without somebody noticing.In the prior months before 9/11 many workers reported hearing very unusual construction work going on they thought was very curious.They heard the sounds of dumpsters being moved around on the upper floors and loud construction work as well they found very curious.They also reported many power downs on the weekends in the prior months,something that was extremely unusual in the fact it had NEVER happened in the history of the towers existence.

This is a fact that the trolls here always ignore,that the employees did not have access to enter these rooms where construction was allegedly going on cause they were sealed off from being able to enter these areas.They had signs that said CONSTRUCTION AREA,KEEP OUT.so it was impossible for them to see what was going on.The workers also used service elevaters that to get to these rooms that the employees had no access to.the employees did not have the keys to get into these service elevaters they used.they could only use public elevaters which could not get into these rooms.

If you had done any research,you would KNOW that it was easy as hell to plant all those explosives in the towers without anybody noticing in the fact that Bush's brother Marvin Bush and his cousin Wirt Walker were in charge of the security for the towers in the prior months before 9/11.simple as hell to do it without anybody noticing.

Here watch this video.it proves beyond a doubt explosives brought the towers down.Nobody here has ever been able to debunk it despite what they come on here and say.also the little debris that WAS consficated by workers there,has been examined by physiscts and scientists from around the world and they found samples of explosives residule,thermite in them.Not to mention photographs show many of the steel columns melted which is impossible unless explosives were used since jet fuel and office fires cant reach temps hot enough to melt them.Also Nasa recorded temps FAR TOO HOT AND INTENSE to be that of office fires or jet fuel after being sprayed down weeks later.They found molten metal that you can see in the pics which is also IMPOSSIBLE due to jet or office fires.again watch this video and learn.this is a video that nobody here has ever been able to debunk that explosives brought the towers down.

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Here that explosion at the beginning? that was an explosion that happened earlier in the day on bld 7.It was a mistimed explosion that people like those firefighters witnessed.These trolls here that you have been unwise to listen to,have convinced you with their lies they been telling.stop listening to their lies and start reading david ray griffins books.He has done an EXCELLENT job of doing what the 9/11 coverup commission did not do,research the case and not omit evidence and facts.He debunks the 9/11 commssion report and what NIST says in his excellent book DEBUNKING THE 9/11 DEBUNKING,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

How many upper floors were in free fall? Once they started dropping the weight of the upper floors in free fall easily over came the Resistance available from the lower floors. Pretty simple concept.

The ONLY way to achieve freefall is if every VERTICAL support column COMPLETELY removed itself in blown out sections all the way down to not even be in the way to provide ANY resistance.

Somehow 47 VERTICAL columns that run from bedrock to the top floor act as if they were not even there to allow the top floor to hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside them.

Cutting the top of a tree doesn't magically make it fall straight down through its own trunk and end with all the pieces with a perfect fit for the woodstove.

47 Treetrunks in each Twin Tower magically weakend at the top and ended up with all the sections fitting the wood stove.

one of the many places where your logic falls is the fact that the buildings didnt come down at freefall speeds.

it makes your entire argument irrelevant.

as usual,your full of shit and lies.all you got to do is time the towers collapse and they DID .obviously you cant count.

 

[Fizz]

The ONLY way to achieve freefall is if every VERTICAL support column COMPLETELY removed itself in blown out sections all the way down to not even be in the way to provide ANY resistance.

Somehow 47 VERTICAL columns that run from bedrock to the top floor act as if they were not even there to allow the top floor to hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside them.

Cutting the top of a tree doesn't magically make it fall straight down through its own trunk and end with all the pieces with a perfect fit for the woodstove.

47 Treetrunks in each Twin Tower magically weakend at the top and ended up with all the sections fitting the wood stove.

one of the many places where your logic falls is the fact that the buildings didnt come down at freefall speeds.

it makes your entire argument irrelevant.

as usual,your full of shit and lies.all you got to do is time the towers collapse and they DID .obviously you cant count.

fucking moron.....

look at the picture.

notice the pieces of the building are lower than the building that is still standing.

do you know what that means?

do you understand physics at all?

since the piece of the building is actually falling at free fall speeds and it came from above where the building is still standing..........

that means......


(drumroll please)

the building could not possible have collapsed at freefall speed.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

hey agent fizz,yeah I do,YOU dont though fucking moron.lol.,a mere collapse you dont have the buildings disintegrating to powder like that.hahahahahaha and you dodge the point as always that all you got to do is time it and you can see for yourself it fell at freefall speed.when you learn how to count,come back and debate.till then,your talking out of your ass.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Here Editec,dont listen to disinformation agent troll Fizz.as you can see he evades points brought up to him when it proves him wrong.again all you got to do is time it when it falls from the video and you see that it fell in 11 seconds.

Here do this.Take a rock, go to the roof of a 110 story building, let the rock go. It will hit the ground in about 11 seconds.

This is virtual freefall speed. This can only be achieved when NO MASS is present.

NO MASS present in the WTC??!!?! Let us take a look.



MMM, i can see it, must have mass, ok, mass is there.

So how to get rid of all that annoying mass? Use bombs! The only way the WTC was able to collapse in 11 seconds is by using explosives.

Who is lying? Physics or the Official American Story™?

Think deeply! You can do it!

 

[DiveCon]

hey agent fizz,yeah I do,YOU dont though fucking moron.lol.,a mere collapse you dont have the buildings disintegrating to powder like that.hahahahahaha and you dodge the point as always that all you got to do is time it and you can see for yourself it fell at freefall speed.when you learn how to count,come back and debate.till then,your talking out of your ass.

you just keep proving that you and all troofers are fucking IDIOTS

 

[DiveCon]

Here Editec,dont listen to disinformation agent troll Fizz.as you can see he evades points brought up to him when it proves him wrong.again all you got to do is time it when it falls from the video and you see that it fell in 11 seconds.

Here do this.Take a rock, go to the roof of a 110 story building, let the rock go. It will hit the ground in about 11 seconds.

This is virtual freefall speed. This can only be achieved when NO MASS is present.

NO MASS present in the WTC??!!?! Let us take a look.



MMM, i can see it, must have mass, ok, mass is there.

So how to get rid of all that annoying mass? Use bombs! The only way the WTC was able to collapse in 11 seconds is by using explosives.

Who is lying? Physics or the Official American Story™?

Think deeply! You can do it!

ed is smarter than you, he wont listen to trolls LIKE YOU, dipshit

 

[Gamolon]

What I seriously cannot get over is the fact that the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it.

Each building has many VERTICAL core columns that run from bedrock to the top floor. These core columns are fastened and welded together all the way up making them virtually one solid length of steel from bedrock to the top floor. They acted as if they did not even exist to provide hardly any resistance. Somehow the top floor in each building hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it even though it had to work its way all the way down through all these VERTICAL support columns.?

I have asked you this before but you refuse to answer.

How were the vertical columns supposed to provide resistance when the floors were positioned AROUND the core columns?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Even if there was some weakening of the steel, then the top of the tree would topple over off of the resistance of the many VERTICAL columns that run from bedrock to the top floor.

The Anti-Truths(Anti-Christs?) posting hard swaying votes against a new investigation ignore this.


Why does Richard Gage get so ridiculed by the masses like Galileo was?

That's what stupid sheeple do when the messenger brings information that questions the very core of their beliefs....even to the point of calling them conspiracy kooks, nutjobs etc and perhaps even escalating to the point where the masses of sheeple lock up the messengers.....only to find out years later what the truth is.

I just try and save the masses of sheeple in society from this shame in hopes they simply ask for a new investigation to clear up the many disturbing descrepencies...

Bingo.according to the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thousands of years,the top tier of the tower that had the antenna SHOULD have toppled over sideways.In the photos you can that it begins to tilt over but then gets pulled back in magically as it begins to collapse due to the explosives bringing it down. acording to the 9/11 apologist like fizz,the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thoussands of years no longer apply anymore and the 9/11 commission is right,priceless,i love it.

 

[DiveCon]

Even if there was some weakening of the steel, then the top of the tree would topple over off of the resistance of the many VERTICAL columns that run from bedrock to the top floor.

The Anti-Truths(Anti-Christs?) posting hard swaying votes against a new investigation ignore this.


Why does Richard Gage get so ridiculed by the masses like Galileo was?

That's what stupid sheeple do when the messenger brings information that questions the very core of their beliefs....even to the point of calling them conspiracy kooks, nutjobs etc and perhaps even escalating to the point where the masses of sheeple lock up the messengers.....only to find out years later what the truth is.

I just try and save the masses of sheeple in society from this shame in hopes they simply ask for a new investigation to clear up the many disturbing descrepencies...

Bingo.according to the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thousands of years,the top tier of the tower that had the antenna SHOULD have toppled over sideways.In the photos you can that it begins to tilt over but then gets pulled back in magically as it begins to collapse due to the explosives bringing it down. acording to the 9/11 apologist like fizz,the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thoussands of years no longer apply anymore and the 9/11 commission is right,priceless,i love it.

lick that ass, rimjob

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Theres one more troll you need to stop listening to the posts of Editec.Ditzcon.Him,CandyCornboy and Slackass posters are the three biggest ones here even worse than agent Fizz.

 

[Fizz]

hey agent fizz,yeah I do,YOU dont though fucking moron.lol.,a mere collapse you dont have the buildings disintegrating to powder like that.hahahahahaha and you dodge the point as always that all you got to do is time it and you can see for yourself it fell at freefall speed.when you learn how to count,come back and debate.till then,your talking out of your ass.

at what point do you end your timing, jackass??

you cant actually see the end of the collapse due to the debris cloud.

look at the picture again. explain how the building could be collapsing at free fall and yet debris from the collapse is closer to the ground than the progression of the building collapse.

in order for it to be collapsing at free fall you need to explain this one simple fact.

you can't.

 

[slackjawed]

The "free-fall" theory is a fallacy.
It is incorrectly based on a fall time that is wrong. Nobody, NOBODY!, can tell you how long it took the buildings to fall. Observations from the outside, and especially from existing videos cannot "see" inside the buildings where the collapse actually started to occur, well before anyone could see it, except of course the poor souls that were trapped inside. (and they are unable to tell us when it started, they died)
Despite it not coming from the twoofer's beloved alex jones, this site does offer a VALID explanation. Until you take the time to analyze the calculations, as well as the assumptions that this analysis was based on, your opinion that this analysis is biased is unfounded.
If you believe it to be in error, show me the calculations that are wrong, until you can, your opinion is just that, an unfounded opinion.
The complete analysis here:
Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Free Fall
with approval from the site, here it is:
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The towers did not fall at or below free fall speeds…

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.

Below is a more accurate graphic using a paper written by Dr. Frank Greening which can be found at: http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

The paper takes the transfer of momentum into account. Like a billiard ball being hit by another on a pool table, each floor transferred its momentum to the next as represented below. The more weight, the less resistance each floor gave.

The time required to strip off a floor, according to Frank Greening, is a maximum of about 110 milliseconds = 0.110 seconds. It is rather the conservation of momentum that slowed the collapse together with a small additional time for the destruction of each floor.

Below are calculations from a physics blogger...

When I did the calculations, what I got for a thousand feet was about nine seconds- let's see,
d = 1/2at^2
so
t = (2d/a)^1/2
a is 9.8m/s^2 (acceleration of gravity at Earth's surface, according to Wikipedia), [He gives this reference so you can double check him.]
d is 417m (height of the World Trade Center towers, same source)
so
t = (834m/9.8m/s^2)^1/2 = 9.23s
OK, so how fast was it going? Easy enough,
v = at
v = (9.8m/s^2 x 9.23s) = 90.4m/s
So in the following second, it would have fallen about another hundred meters. That's almost a quarter of the height it already fell. And we haven't even made it to eleven seconds yet; it could have fallen more than twice its height in that additional four seconds. If the top fell freely, in 13.23 seconds it would have fallen about two and one-half times as far as it actually did fall in that time. So the collapse was at much less than free-fall rates.


Let's see:
KE = 1/2mv^2
The mass of the towers was about 450 million kg, according to this. Four sources, he has. I think that's pretty definitive. So now we can take the KE of the top floor, and divide by two- that will be the average of the top and bottom floors. Then we'll compare that to the KE of a floor in the middle, and if they're comparable, then we're good to go- take the KE of the top floor and divide by two and multiply by 110 stories. We'll also assume that the mass is evenly divided among the floors, and that they were loaded to perhaps half of their load rating of 100lbs/sqft. That would be
208ft x 208ft = 43,264sqft
50lbs/sqft * 43264sqft = 2,163,200lbs = 981,211kg
additional weight per floor. So the top floor would be
450,000,000 kg / 110 floors = 4,090,909 kg/floor
so the total mass would be
4,090,909 kg + 981,211 kg = 5,072,120 kg/floor
Now, the velocity at impact we figured above was
90.4m/s
so our
KE = (5,072,120kg x (90.4m/s)^2)/2 = 20,725,088,521J
So, divide by 2 and we get
10,362,544,260J
OK, now let's try a floor halfway up:
t = (2d/a)^1/2 = (417/9.8)^1/2 = 6.52s
v = at = 9.8*6.52 = 63.93m/s
KE = (mv^2)/2 = (5,072,120kg x (63.93m/s)^2)/2 = 10,363,863,011J
Hey, look at that! They're almost equal! That means we can just multiply that 10 billion Joules of energy by 110 floors and get the total, to a very good approximation. Let's see now, that's
110 floors * 10,362,544,260J (see, I'm being conservative, took the lower value)
= 1,139,879,868,600J
OK, now how much is 1.1 trillion joules in tons of TNT-equivalent? Let's see, now, a ton of TNT is 4,184,000,000J. So how many tons of TNT is 1,139,879,868,600J?
1,139,879,868,600J / 4,184,000,000J/t = 272t

Now, that's 272 tons of TNT, more or less; five hundred forty one-thousand-pound blockbuster bombs, more or less. That's over a quarter kiloton. We're talking about as much energy as a small nuclear weapon- and we've only calculated the kinetic energy of the falling building. We haven't added in the burning fuel, or the burning paper and cloth and wood and plastic, or the kinetic energy of impact of the plane (which, by the way, would have substantially turned to heat, and been put into the tower by the plane debris, that's another small nuclear weapon-equivalent) and we've got enough heat to melt the entire whole thing.

Remember, we haven't added the energy of four floors of burning wood, plastic, cloth and paper, at- let's be conservative, say half the weight is stuff like that and half is metal, so 25lbs/sqft? And then how about as much energy as the total collapse again, from the plane impact? And what about the energy from the burning fuel? You know, I'm betting we have a kiloton to play with here. I bet we have a twentieth of the energy that turned the entire city of Nagasaki into a flat burning plain with a hundred-foot hole surrounded by a mile of firestorm to work with. - Schneibster edited by Debunking 911

Let me make this clear, I don't assume to know what the ACTUAL fall time was. Anyone telling you they know is lying. The above calculation doesn't say that's the fall time. That was not its purpose. It's only a quick calculation which serves its purpose. To show that the buildings could have fallen within the time it did. It's absurd to suggest one can make simple calculations and know the exact fall time. You need a super computer with weeks of calculation to take into account the office debris, plumbing, ceiling tile etc.. etc... Was it 14 or was it 16? It doesn't matter to the point I'm making, which is the fall times are well within the possibility for normal collapse. Also, the collapse wasn't at free fall as conspiracy theorists suggest.

For more analysis of the building fall times, go to 911myths free fall page.

Please refer to Dr Frank Greening's paper for detailed calculations.

http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

Italian debunker shows us more than 16 seconds to collapse. That's almost twice free fall speed from the 110th floor.



One of the more absurd arguments is the idea that there was a "Pyroclastic flow" during the collapse. This is easily debunked. You will note not one person was poached at ground zero. Pyroclastic flows are a minimum of 100C, or 212F.

The gas is usually at a temperature of 100-800 degrees Celsius. The flows normally hug the ground and travel downhill under gravity, their speed depending upon the gradient of the slope and the size of the flow.

Pyroclastic flow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not ONE person, even the ones trapped INSIDE the towers, complained of dusty air burning their skin. Trees were left green next to the towers. Paper floated around ground zero without being burned.

When I brought this up to one conspiracy theorist, he produced some photos showing burning cars and such. Yet I easily found photos which show their photo was being taken out of context.

Are the cars, papers and trees in this photo made of asbestos except for the ones on fire? If you think there was a pyroclastic flow and photos of fires at ground zero is your proof then that's exactly what you must think.

It's obvious that the collapse rained paper on fire and even hot steel which could easily explain the spotty fires. Unless the pyroclastic flow hopped from one place to another.

Critical thinking skills will tell the average person there was NO pyroclastic flow but since this was brought up by a "scholar," thinking seems to be optional.

What really makes this argument absurd is the amount of explosives needed to turn that much concrete into dust. (We are only talking about 10% of the total concrete in the building anyway. There was a massive amount of gypsum as well, which conspiracy theorists would like you to forget.) The argument is the pyroclastic flow (which there is no evidence of) was created by explosives. (Some have suggested an absurd amount of thermite) If the incredible amount of POTENTIAL ENERGY (Energy the building had just standing there due to the stored energy of lifting the steel into place.) which converted to Kinetic energy (as it collapsed) is not enough to create the dust cloud, then the assumption is explosives must have created it. How much? And why would they overload the building with powerful explosives? Why put more than would be needed to cut the steel? Why put enough to cut the steel AND create a pyro show? As you can see above, the collapse released enough energy to equal 272 TONS of TNT. Why wouldn't this amount of energy be enough to cut the steel connections AND create some dust as the floors impacted each other 110 times per building?

More on the pulverization of concrete

Another absurd straw man is that they say Greening is saying the collapse weakened the steel. Nowhere in Greening's paper does it say the collapse "weakened" the steel. The massive potential energy converted to kinetic energy in the collapse and was MORE than enough to destroy the connections. No "weakening" of steel needed. The only weakening was on the fire floors which had its fireproofing blown off. This has NOTHING to do with Greening's paper.

Reader contribution:

Just a few numbers that make 9/11 conspiracies nearly impossible:


J.L. Hudson’s in Detroit, Michigan, the tallest building ever razed, was 439 ft. (26 stories)
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WTC 7 was 570 ft. (47 stories) 1.3 times the height of the J.L. Hudson. 7 World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTC 1/2 was 1,368 ft. (110 stories) 3.12 times the height of J.L. Hudson.
1 World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, on 9/11, three buildings were razed with perfect precision. One was 131 ft. taller than the record tower and the other two (minus cell phone antennas) were 929 ft. taller than the record holder.

The Hudson Building “It took us 24 days with 12 people doing nothing but loading explosives…” James Santoro – Controlled Demolition Incorporated"
http://www.history.com/media.do?id=most_hudsons_implosion_broadband&action=clip

Even according to the Loose Change guys, the heightened security and bomb-sniffing dogs had only been lifted for 5 days.


Of course, the construction is different and the towers would need less explosives if they were the same height. However, the towers were much taller and had more columns to cut as a result. Even if they did have the same amount of columns it would still take over 72 days with 12 people doing nothing but loading explosives. That's just one building. Add the second tower and WTC7 and you see where this is going. It quickly becomes absurd. As if this absurdly complex plan was the ONLY way to scare Americans.

I'd like to thank Slugman from Political Myths blog for his contribution.

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[Gamolon]

In the photos you can that it begins to tilt over but then gets pulled back in magically as it begins to collapse due to the explosives bringing it down.

Can you PLEASE explain how that worked?! How did the antenna get "pulled back" by explosives???

Holy shit. THAT needs to go in my signature hall of fame.

 

[Fizz]

In the photos you can that it begins to tilt over but then gets pulled back in magically as it begins to collapse due to the explosives bringing it down.

Can you PLEASE explain how that worked?! How did the antenna get "pulled back" by explosives???

Holy shit. THAT needs to go in my signature hall of fame.

its really been a funny week here. there are just so many twoofers saying so many completely idiotic things that its hard to pick my favorite moronic statement.

..but this idiotic explanation is definitely near the top of the list.

 

[candycorn]

In the photos you can that it begins to tilt over but then gets pulled back in magically as it begins to collapse due to the explosives bringing it down.

Can you PLEASE explain how that worked?! How did the antenna get "pulled back" by explosives???

Holy shit. THAT needs to go in my signature hall of fame.

I think he was the yokel that once said that the movie JFK showed him how things "really" worked in Washington which, in and of it self, is HOF material.