Serious Thread Topic: Can Terrorism Really Be Stopped?

[RightyTighty]

Terrorism is a tactic. You can't have a war nor can you end a tactic.

Nobody ever claims they are going to "end robbery". "Ending terrorism" is just as illogical.

So we just accept it as the "new normal". I think not.

The new normal is the old normal - life is risky, deal with it.

 

[WillowTree]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

The travel ban is not going to make you safer.

The ban is just temporary until better vetting methods are implimented.

He's already had more than the time allotted in the ban. I'm not hearing any improved methods. Why not? This wasn't done to improve vetting. It was a pacifier to make people feel safer. We won't be.

We are never gonna know are we? Thanks to ass tardy liberals.

 

[Doc1]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

The travel ban is not going to make you safer.

The ban is just temporary until better vetting methods are implimented.

He's already had more than the time allotted in the ban. I'm not hearing any improved methods. Why not? This wasn't done to improve vetting. It was a pacifier to make people feel safer. We won't be.

Yet if does "nothing" he'll get tarred and feathered for that.

 

[WillowTree]

Terrorism is a tactic. You can't have a war nor can you end a tactic.

Nobody ever claims they are going to "end robbery". "Ending terrorism" is just as illogical.

So we just accept it as the "new normal". I think not.

The new normal is the old normal - life is risky, deal with it.

Take your seat belts off, turn off your airbags!

 

[LaDexter]

In order to stop terror, you must first identify who did it, and we have FAILED FAILED FAILED on that since 1983...

 

[Meathead]

I'd like to get some thoughts from the liberals on this, because as a liberal, I really don't hear a whole lot of solutions to stopping terrorism. Probably because it can't be stopped. But I'd still like to hear if there have been any solutions proposed by the left.

Also would like to hear thoughts from the right about a real solution. Do you guys really think that bombing people into oblivion is going to end terrorism? We're talking about religious extremism here -- violence against them only adds fuel to the fire. Does the right actually have a real, actionable solution to ending terrorism?

My personal point of view is that you can't really stop it. I don't see how it's possible as long as people still cling to these poisonous ME religions. The only real way we'd ever end global terrorism is through a sort of collective spiritual and psychological evolution to the next level, where as a society we've moved past the violent idiocy of archaic organized religion. The change must come from within. But that just isn't in the cards for the foreseeable future. In other words, we're screwed and terrorism will become more and more of a "normal" part of life.

Discuss...

"Terrorism" will always be with us in some form or another and in a sense always has been. It is just a word applied to man's vile inhumanity to his fellow man whose use is largely employed for political purposes. It does differ in one way though. In truth it should be the targeting the innocent instead of those who could be considered legitimate adversaries.

 

[Doc1]

Terrorism is a tactic. You can't have a war nor can you end a tactic.

Nobody ever claims they are going to "end robbery". "Ending terrorism" is just as illogical.

So we just accept it as the "new normal". I think not.

The new normal is the old normal - life is risky, deal with it.

LOL, I've been "prepared" for some time now.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

The travel ban is not going to make you safer.

I am amazed that you would say that. Obviously there's no way to guarantee anyone's safety these days, but you can cut down on the odds by reducing the number of possible terrorists and their supporters by not letting them in the country int he first place. And you do that by better and more thorough vetting. Whichis what Trump's travel ban is all about.

Then ban visitors on a permanent basis from the countries where the terrorists are coming from--Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. This was a poorly thought out ban for optic purposes only.

Ohh so he did not ban enough Countries. I get it your entire claim is he banned Muslims then you note he did NO such thing....

 

[blackhawk]

There will always be radicals it will never be stopped 100 percent it can be degraded and minimized though. You would have to do this through a variety of ways the military to destroy the camps where people are trained and take out the leadership whenever possible taking out their money by cutting them off from the people and nations that are bankrolling them and fighting the ideology especially online which seems to be the terrorist best recruiting method. Last those in the west need to accept this will be an ongoing fight for a very very long time there won't be any ceremony and signing of an agreement to end hostilities.

 

[12icer]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

It's worthless POS ban. It's also unconstitutional.

Wrong as usual,, The Pres has both the CONSTITUTIONAL, and statutory authority to ban any group or all groups of people he deems dangerous from entering this country. You liberals are way out in LEFT field with the shit you claim to be part of the constitution, including rights for non US citizens. When the constitution was written even some of the citizens of this country did not have all of the Constitutional rights, like voting for one, Yet you would extend them to non citizens. Proves as always you have no idea how history was written and what it actually proves. About the way mankind has changed, and what works and what does not. Most of all you have no idea what history would completely disprove about most all of your pet fantasies and ideas

Terrorisim can be stopped, by REAL EDUCATION, and stopping the PC ignorance of socialist ants. The idea that any person owes another person anything because of his being is ludicrous.

 

[Doc1]

In order to stop terror, you must first identify who did it, and we have FAILED FAILED FAILED on that since 1983...

Much better.

 

[Doc1]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

It's worthless POS ban. It's also unconstitutional.

Wrong as usual,, The Pres has both the CONSTITUTIONAL, and statutory authority to ban any group or all groups of people he deems dangerous from entering this country. You liberals are way out in LEFT field with the shit you claim to be part of the constitution, including rights for non US citizens. When the constitution was written even some of the citizens of this country did not have all of the Constitutional rights, like voting for one, Yet you would extend them to non citizens. Proves as always you have no idea how history was written and what it actually proves. About the way mankind has changed, and what works and what does not. Most of all you have no idea what history would completely disprove about most all of your pet fantasies and ideas

Terrorisim can be stopped, by REAL EDUCATION, and stopping the PC ignorance of socialist ants. The idea that any person owes another person anything because of his being is ludicrous.

And it's been done many times before. These people hate Trump so much they don't care if American's get killed as long as they think they can hurt him.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Weeeelll if the ruling from the 4th Circuit Court is any indication, then the answer is no.

 

[RightyTighty]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

It's worthless POS ban. It's also unconstitutional.

Wrong as usual,, The Pres has both the CONSTITUTIONAL, and statutory authority to ban any group or all groups of people he deems dangerous from entering this country. You liberals are way out in LEFT field with the shit you claim to be part of the constitution, including rights for non US citizens. When the constitution was written even some of the citizens of this country did not have all of the Constitutional rights, like voting for one, Yet you would extend them to non citizens. Proves as always you have no idea how history was written and what it actually proves. About the way mankind has changed, and what works and what does not. Most of all you have no idea what history would completely disprove about most all of your pet fantasies and ideas

Terrorisim can be stopped, by REAL EDUCATION, and stopping the PC ignorance of socialist ants. The idea that any person owes another person anything because of his being is ludicrous.

When the Constitution was ratified almost no one had rights. The Bill of Rights was ratified two and half years later.

And terrorism is a tactic. We've used it many times. Tactics cannot be stopped.

Voting, BTW, not in the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights.

 

[OldLady]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

The travel ban is not going to make you safer.

The travel ban will give us time to put procedures in place that vet people properly! Get some balls! You know who our pussy TSA searches at airports? Handicapped children and old women! We are killing ourselves by being pussies!

Trump is trying to avoid a Manchester and the fucking liberals are fighting him tooth and nail. So, you know who I will blame the next time it happens?

I'm all in with giving the government more right to snoop, to look in my closet, my e-mail, whatever they want, if it will cut some of these guys off at the knees. We should spend LOTS more on the FBI's and Homeland's budgets so they can not only identify suspicious characters but actually follow them until they can stop them. They're stretched too thin and Trump's budget wants to cut them again. Not good. There are ways to keep us safe. If they come up with better vetting, fine, but I think it's already pretty damned good. The ban is theater only.

 

[Doc1]

Weeeelll if the ruling from the 4th Circuit Court is any indication, then the answer is no.

Nope, the SC will take it up and that will be that.

 

[LaDexter]

Much better.

especially since you have already admitted 911 was a fraud and that Israel was behind hit.

The problem is that you think Israel was "divinely justified" in doing it, and you would cheer if Israel murdered Americans again.

 

[task0778]

And the left cheers because Trump's travel ban has been thwarted again! My gawd!

The travel ban is not going to make you safer.

I am amazed that you would say that. Obviously there's no way to guarantee anyone's safety these days, but you can cut down on the odds by reducing the number of possible terrorists and their supporters by not letting them in the country int he first place. And you do that by better and more thorough vetting. Whichis what Trump's travel ban is all about.

Then ban visitors on a permanent basis from the countries where the terrorists are coming from--Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. This was a poorly thought out ban for optic purposes only.

I was under the impression that Trump's ban was applied to countries where their vetting process was deemed by the Obama Administration to be unacceptable. Which gives Trump the basis for temporarily denying entry until proper vetting is done on our side or better vetting is done on the other side. We can't know everything about everybody from anywhere and everywhere, right? So, we are forced to rely on foreign countries to provide us with valid information. Is it perfect? Of course not, no matter what you do the bad guys are going to get in but at least you can try to stop the flow of people from ME countries where we can't even trust their vetting procedures. And that ain't optics IMHO, it's about the best we can do under our constitution.

And BTW, can you imagine the hue and cry from the liberal left if Trump permanently banned everybody from your listed countries?

 

[WillowTree]

Terrorism is a tactic. You can't have a war nor can you end a tactic.

Nobody ever claims they are going to "end robbery". "Ending terrorism" is just as illogical.

Oh yes you can. The softer hearts don't like to hear that, but yes it is entirely possible.

How?

How would you have ended terrorist attacks like these:
DC Sniper Allen Muhammad
Richard Poplawski - who went on a rampage and shot 3 Pittsburgh police in 2009
Wade Michael Page - who attacked a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin in 2012.
Aaron Alexis - killed 12 people when he opened fire on the Washington Navy Yard in DC in 2013
Glenn Miller, Jr. - attacked a Jewish community center and retirement community in 2014
Jarad and Amanda Miller - went on a shooting rampage, killed two Las Vegas police officers, said to have held extreme anti-government views, 2014
Chris Harper-Mercer - went on a shooting spree at his college killing 10 people, had anti-religious and white supremacist views, 2014
Dylann Roof - went into a church and shot 9 people, wanting to start a race war, 2015

And that is just a handful of the terrorist attacks we've had in the last decade.

It's fucking amazing that you did not include 9-11. got ole Dylan Roof in there though.

 

[dcbl]

Not a lot of time for a detailed response right now but I think the following; forget about stopping it totally. Be it Radical Islam or Radical Christianity…there will be people who hate.

comparing "radical Islam" to "radical Christianity" is fallacious

seriously - Christians are not chopping off heads or perpetuating suicide attacks with mass support from an organized group

does not happen

If I believe that homosexual activity is a sin & express that view, or vote for people that would make it illegal =/= Islamic jihad

it's not in the same universe; yet, many on the left seek to draw moral equivalency - makes you look foolish and it makes it hard to take you seriously

I made an effort to answer OP without being argumentative; however, there IS one more thing.

We need to find a way to come together & agree on a solution.

Rhetoric like you are spewing in this quoted post serves to make that more difficult

we need to identify the actual problem & unite in an effort to slow it down & make it more difficult

talking about the Crusades or Timothy McVeigh or the Westboro Baptist Church (which is a hateful group, but still nowhere NEAR as bad as Jihadists) is counterproductive