Senator Ted Cruz doubles down on keeping the socialist income tax!

[johnwk]

Actually the Communist Manifesto advocated a heavily progressive tax like we have now, but let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.

And a flat tax on incomes finds its roots in the Communist Manifesto, just like I stated!


JWK

Maybe you should read item 2 in the link you provided.

I read the Communist Manifesto many years ago. I take it you support taxing "incomes" like Senator Cruz?


JWK







To support Jeb Bush is to support our Global Governance crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

 

[johnwk]

And yet, those who do not contribute to financing the functions of government are allowed to exercise a vote equal to those who do finance the functions of government. Under our Constitution’s original tax plan, and with regard to direct taxes, the rule of apportionment was intended to provide a protection against such an abuse in that each state was required to pay a share of any direct tax proportionally equal to its representation.

Apportionment has nothing to do with who gets to vote. Your entire premise is blithering nonsense.

Apportionment has everything to do with our Constitution and how many votes each state gets in Congress.


JWK

That's congressional apportionment. You were talking about tax apportionment. You know the 'tax' in 'our Constitution's original tax plan'. Those are completely different concepts. You just completely abandoned your argument.

If your claims had merit, you wouldn't have had to run. As usual, John.....you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Read the Constitution my friend, "Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States . . . our founder tied both representation and taxation by the rule of apportionment. I think the problem with you is, our Fifth column media and government school system has withheld teaching you why our founders commanded that any direct tax would be apportioned among the states!


Let us review some of our founder’s thinking regarding the rule of apportionment:

Pinckney addressing the S.C. ratification convention with regard to the rule of apportionment :


“With regard to the general government imposing internal taxes upon us, he contended that it was absolutely necessary they should have such a power: requisitions had been in vain tried every year since the ratification of the old Confederation, and not a single state had paid the quota required of her. The general government could not abuse this power, and favor one state and oppress another, as each state was to be taxed only in proportion to its representation.” 4 Elliot‘s, S.C., 305-6


And see:

“The proportion of taxes are fixed by the number of inhabitants, and not regulated by the extent of the territory, or fertility of soil”3 Elliot’s, 243,“Each state will know, from its population, its proportion of any general tax” 3 Elliot’s, 244 ___ Mr. George Nicholas, during the ratification debates of our Constitution.


Mr. Madison goes on to remark about Congress’s “general power of taxation” that, "they will be limited to fix the proportion of each State, and they must raise it in the most convenient and satisfactory manner to the public."3 Elliot, 255


And if there is any confusion about the rule of apportionment intentionally designed to insure that the people of each state are to be taxed proportionately equal to their representation in Congress, Mr. PENDLETON says:


“The apportionment of representation and taxation by the same scale is just; it removes the objection, that, while Virginia paid one sixth part of the expenses of the Union, she had no more weight in public counsels than Delaware, which paid but a very small portion”3 Elliot’s 41


JWK




Our tyrants in Washington force the productive to pay taxes on incomes so they can spread their wealth and buy votes, but the Washington Establishment does not force their beloved 45 % who pay no income taxes to work for the taxes they get

 

[OKTexas]

Actually the Communist Manifesto advocated a heavily progressive tax like we have now, but let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.

And a flat tax on incomes finds its roots in the Communist Manifesto, just like I stated!


JWK

Maybe you should read item 2 in the link you provided.

I read the Communist Manifesto many years ago. I take it you support taxing "incomes" like Senator Cruz?


JWK







To support Jeb Bush is to support our Global Governance crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

 

[Skylar]

Read the Constitution my friend, "Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States . . . our founder tied both representation and taxation by the rule of apportionment. I think the problem with you is, our Fifth column media and government school system has withheld teaching you why our founders commanded that any direct tax would be apportioned among the states!

One is not dependent on the other. Neither representation nor voting is dependent on apportionment. Which you know. But really hope we don't.

Let us review some of our founder’s thinking regarding the rule of apportionment:

The 16th amendment unmade any lingering apportionment requirements related to income tax. Which really only applied to taxes on real estate. So what the founders thought on apportionment is functionally irrelevant to any discussion of its constitutionality....

...as the constitution was changed.

 

[Skylar]

And a flat tax on incomes finds its roots in the Communist Manifesto, just like I stated!


JWK

Maybe you should read item 2 in the link you provided.

I read the Communist Manifesto many years ago. I take it you support taxing "incomes" like Senator Cruz?


JWK







To support Jeb Bush is to support our Global Governance crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I see nothing wrong with making people that use more of the resources pay their fair share. The rich man that uses our roads more, police more and use up more land = need to pay more.

Keep the socialist income tax.

A flat tax achieves that.

 

[OKTexas]

Maybe you should read item 2 in the link you provided.

I read the Communist Manifesto many years ago. I take it you support taxing "incomes" like Senator Cruz?


JWK







To support Jeb Bush is to support our Global Governance crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I read the Communist Manifesto many years ago. I take it you support taxing "incomes" like Senator Cruz?


JWK







To support Jeb Bush is to support our Global Governance crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

You, not so good at math.

 

[OKTexas]

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

You, not so good at math.

Really, how so?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

You, not so good at math.

Really, how so?

10% wouldn't pay our take-out Chinese bill. Do the math, for once.
Total Personal Income U.S. and All States

 

[OKTexas]

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

You, not so good at math.

Really, how so?

10% wouldn't pay our take-out Chinese bill. Do the math, for once.
Total Personal Income U.S. and All States

So, how much does the US get from personal income taxes now? Is it more than 1.9 trillion?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

You, not so good at math.

Really, how so?

10% wouldn't pay our take-out Chinese bill. Do the math, for once.
Total Personal Income U.S. and All States

So, how much does the US get from personal income taxes now? Is it more than 1.9 trillion?

Less - Federal Revenue Where Does the Money Come From

 

[OKTexas]

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

You, not so good at math.

Really, how so?

10% wouldn't pay our take-out Chinese bill. Do the math, for once.
Total Personal Income U.S. and All States

So, how much does the US get from personal income taxes now? Is it more than 1.9 trillion?

Less - Federal Revenue Where Does the Money Come From

So the short answer is no, they only get about 1.51 trillion from personal income taxes, so 11% would be enough. How's that for math?

 

[Skylar]

I read the Communist Manifesto many years ago. I take it you support taxing "incomes" like Senator Cruz?


JWK







To support Jeb Bush is to support our Global Governance crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

There's no 'maybe' about it. There is a reason why the wealthy have a huge hard on for a flat tax: its regressive. It shifts massive amounts of the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class and poor. And you seem eager to make that happen.

Which is refreshingly honest. Many conservatives want this. But they don't actually have the balls to tell the working poor that working 40 to 50 hours a week at menial jobs for ridiculously low pay, that they should be paying more taxes because they don't have 'skin in the game'.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You, not so good at math.

Really, how so?

10% wouldn't pay our take-out Chinese bill. Do the math, for once.
Total Personal Income U.S. and All States

So, how much does the US get from personal income taxes now? Is it more than 1.9 trillion?

Less - Federal Revenue Where Does the Money Come From

So the short answer is no, they only get about 1.51 trillion from personal income taxes, so 11% would be enough. How's that for math?

Enough for what, the Fed budget is 4,000 billion. You have 1,500. Now what, smart guy?

And don't forget the deficit, another 600 billion of that 4,000.

 

[OKTexas]

Try reading it again, maybe you'll actually retain it this time. And stop trying to attribute things to me I never said. Carry on.

From your link:

The Communist Manifesto
The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party is a short 1848 book written by the German political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since gone down in history as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts.



Communist Manifesto Precepts
1 Abolition of private property

2 Heavy progressive income tax

3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4 Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels.

5 Central bank

6 Government control of Communications and Transportation

7 Government ownership of factories and agriculture.

8 Government control of labor

9 Corporate farms, regional Planning

10 Government control of education

Are you suggesting a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage calculated from profits, gains and other incomes does not find its roots in the Communist Manifesto? I see taxing "incomes" as being an immoral tax in addition to the other objections I mentioned in the OP. If Ted Cruz changed his mind and rejected a flat tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes and promoted a return to our Constitution's original tax plan, would you then change your mind too?


JWK





“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

Personally I want a flat tax charged from the first dollar to the last with no exemptions, exclusions or deductions. Everyone who earns pays, regardless of their life choices to have children, buy a home or whatever. That's the only way to get social engineering out of the tax code.

So.....a massive tax increase for the middle class and poor.

Maybe, but at least everyone would have skin in the game and wouldn't be so happy to vote for boobs that keep wanting to expand the federal government. Beside a 10-12% tax would be enough if everyone paid, that would be a cut for the middle class and the rich would have no way around paying what they owe.

There's no 'maybe' about it. There is a reason why the wealthy have a huge hard on for a flat tax: its regressive. It shifts massive amounts of the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class and poor. And you seem eager to make that happen.

Which is refreshingly honest. Many conservatives want this. But they don't actually have the balls to tell the working poor that working 40 to 50 hours a week at menial jobs for ridiculously low pay, that they should be paying more taxes because they don't have 'skin in the game'.

Actually I'm saying everyone who has earnings should have to pay, instead of getting welfare through the tax code, it's suppose to raise revenue not spend it, that's why we have welfare. I also don't think the tax code is there to encourage people to live their lives a certain way or buy government approved shit just to save on taxes. Everyone and I mean everyone should pay taxes on every dollar they make, but I also want every dollar treated equally. Answer this, why should one dollar be treated differently from another just because of where it falls in an arbitrary stack?

 

[OKTexas]

Really, how so?

10% wouldn't pay our take-out Chinese bill. Do the math, for once.
Total Personal Income U.S. and All States

So, how much does the US get from personal income taxes now? Is it more than 1.9 trillion?

Less - Federal Revenue Where Does the Money Come From

So the short answer is no, they only get about 1.51 trillion from personal income taxes, so 11% would be enough. How's that for math?

Enough for what, the Fed budget is 4,000 billion. You have 1,500. Now what, smart guy?

And don't forget the deficit, another 600 billion of that 4,000.

I'm so sorry you have such a reading comprehension problem, you do realize we're talking about personal income taxes, right? I said a flat 10-12% personal income tax rate would cover what we get now and it will. If you want to start another thread on the other subjects you brought up, feel free.

 

[edthecynic]

The Right might have credibility on taxes if they were as equally against the regressive payroll taxes because they tax the poor more than the rich, as they are against the progressive income tax because it taxes the rich more than the poor. But they are not so the Right has no credibility when it comes to taxes!

 

[OKTexas]

The Right might have credibility on taxes if they were as equally against the regressive payroll taxes because they tax the poor more than the rich, as they are against the progressive income tax because it taxes the rich more than the poor. But they are not so the Right has no credibility when it comes to taxes!

The payroll tax is a flat tax, everyone is taxed the same so how could the poor be paying more?

 

[Judicial review]

Anybody that argues against a flat tax is simply in favor of special interests not paying any taxes. I'm sorry, you make what this country perceives as income YOU PAY TAXES. Morons. You people complicate everything.