SCOTUS: Social Security Benefits Can Be ELIMINATED At Any Time

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    The initial issue presented by this case is the appropriate standard of judicial review to be applied when social and economic legislation enacted by Congress is challenged as being violative of the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution. There is no claim here that Congress has taken property in violation of the Fifth Amendment, since railroad benefits, like social security benefits, are not contractual and may be altered or even eliminated at any time. Hisquierdo v. Hisquierdo, 439 U.S. 572, 575 (1979); Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603, 608-611 (1960). And because the distinctions drawn in § 231b (h) do not burden fundamental constitutional rights or create "suspect" classifications, such as race or national origin, we may put cases involving judicial review of such claims to one side. San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez, 411 U.S. 1 (1973); Vance v. Bradley, 440 U.S. 93 (1979)."


    UNITED STATES RAILROAD RETIREMENT BOARD v. FRITZ,
    101 S. Ct. 453, 449 U.S. 166 (U.S. 12/09/1980)


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    Now the question:

    Do we screw over the elderly and eliminate social security, thus saving billions?
    Or do we allow it do continue to build debt, yet allow the elderly means to live?

    Neither option is a good option.
     
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    You won’t be screwing over just old people, you’ll be screwing over middle and low income workers, as well as people in their 40s and 50s for whom SS will be their only income once retired, as many lost all their savings, a consequence of the recession.
     
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    How does Social Security "build debt"...? It currently has a $2.7 TRILLION surplus and doesn't cost the government one penny - except the interest that Uncle Sam pays on the borrow funds.

    Trust Fund FAQs
     
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    The Problem is not Social Security. It's SSD, Social Security Disability for the most part. If the SS system were still just people who paid in all their life, then collected there would be no problem. The problem is now the system is loaded down with people who never worked, and never paid in, or didn't work very long.

    SS was never meant to be that. it was meant to be a retirement guarantee for workers, not straight welfare for the poor, and disabled.

    Not to suggest the Poor, and Disabled don't need help. But it is not fair to threaten to end the Benefits of workers who paid in with good faith their whole lives, because the System has changed into more welfare and less of a Pay as you go retirement guarantee, and the fucking cock sucking, Dirt bag Politicians could not keep their fucking hands out of the cookie jar and had to go and Rape the Trust fund.

    and you libs wonder why some of us don't like the idea of the Government overseeing massive Welfare programs. They can not be trusted. The things always cost exponentially more than they tell us they will, and the Benefits are never as good as they say they will be, and clearly any promise that they will manage a fund and not fucking rape it, is worthless.
     
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    So where is the 2.7 Trillion sitting asshat? Why are we not collecting butt loads of interest on it? Because it's nothing buy fucking IOU's from the Fed. They spent the fucking money.
     
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    We finally agree on something. There is much truth in your words.
     
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    More money was printed!
    The lock box is hidden under Harrry Reid's chair.
     
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    I stand corrected :) . I guess its hard to tell the difference.

    I'm going to take that a step further and not just blame liberals for the siphoning of Social Security. I mean, conservatives were there too, right? And that much money, just sitting there waiting for the people who paid into it to need it?

    Yeah. It's one of my biggest problems with government at large. Every time a good thing comes along they have to bend it over the Senate and rape it.
     
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    There is no surplus in actual cash, only in government backed securities (IOUs).

    Back in July of 2011, the Obama Administration warned that if a budget deal were not struck by August 2, seniors may not get their Social Security checks because there was not enough money in the coffers. Of course, if there were real assets in the “Trust Fund” there would be no problem making Social Security payments. Here is a link which explains it all fairly well.

    What Happened to the $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund? - Forbes
     

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