Same-sex couples start marrying in Conn.

[BlackAsCoal]

I find it very disturbing BAC that you are having sick homosexual fantasies about me!!!

Proof that you're gay .. but I'm starting to think that you probably are not a muslim .. just a "Log Cabin" republican trying to make arabs look like absolute fools.

 

[DiamondDave]

Proof that you're gay .. but I'm starting to think that you probably are not a muslim .. just a "Log Cabin" republican trying to make arabs look like absolute fools.

Why not just recognize that sunni man is nothing more than a troll....?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

And the opposition will remain strong... in terms of redefinition

Rights are based on what citizens demand... but facts and what things are do not change... while uber-lefties and socialists would love to just lump everyone and everything together, eliminating the individual... we are still and will always be individuals with differences... recognizable differences... factual differences.... but recognizing the differences and still having a liberty based free society with equal treatment is indeed the goal...

Just as unequal treatment of other races (including blacks and native americans) was wrong... I believe unequal treatment of homosexuals is wrong... they are just another group of individual citizens, who while different, deserve the same rights as everyone else without infringing on the rights of others... but the union of a man and a man is still factually, physically, and historically different than the union of a man and a woman... we all know this... and equal treatment does not change that fact, nor does it change what something is (including what marriage is and always has been)...

Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.

There is nothing you can do to stop the evolution of society .. but you're sure within your rights to try.

Socialism is all around you brother. I don't need to force socialism on America, it's already here and it's going to have an even greater presence in the future .. make that, near future .. the failures of capitialism will demand it.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Why not just recognize that sunni man is nothing more than a troll....?

I do .. I just like fuckin' with him/her/it.

She makes good conversation with smart people, like you, even more valuable.

We should all appreciate and pay tribute to the morons who stop by to visit us.

 

[DiamondDave]

Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.

There is nothing you can do to stop the evolution of society .. but you're sure within your rights to try.

Socialism is all around you brother. I don't need to force socialism on America, it's already here and it's going to have an even greater presence in the future .. make that, near future .. the failures of capitialism will demand it.

First... I only have 3 brothers... you, nor anyone other than them, are not one

Second... the whims of society always change... but for as long as we are a constitutional republic under our constitution... I and other like me will continue to battle against socialism and it's failed concept that is incompatible with freedom and liberty

Third.. while uber-leftists like Obama will try and force socialism down the throats of Americans... there will be a lash back as freedom is sapped because of it... there will be push back... as the failure of socialism demands it

 

[BlackAsCoal]

First... I only have 3 brothers... you, nor anyone other than them, are not one

Just as I do not operate under your definition of "married", I also do not operate under your definition of "brother", nor do I even feel slightly compelled to adhere to either

Second... the whims of society always change... but for as long as we are a constitutional republic under our constitution... I and other like me will continue to battle against socialism and it's failed concept that is incompatible with freedom and liberty

I have no problem with your battles .. none at all. In fact, at this point in history, they are more than a little amusing. It's like watching someone continue to slam his head into a brick wall trying to stop it from falling. The inertia is already in motion and it doesn't matter how long or hard anyone slams their head into that wall, it's still going to fall.

Third.. while uber-leftists like Obama will try and force socialism down the throats of Americans... there will be a lash back as freedom is sapped because of it... there will be push back... as the failure of socialism demands it

"Uber-leftists" would never agree to the bailout .. but you have fun with your mischaracterizations of Obama. I have no problem with that either .. and again, find much humor in that.

I'm an uber-leftist .. and the reason I didn't vote for Obama is because he's not a "leftist" at all.

 

[DiamondDave]

Brother - 1: a male who has the same parents as another or one parent in common with another

Whether you and your feeble mind can accept the definition or not... again... it is what it is....

And watching you socialists think socialism is a viable and workable form of government is amusing as well... it is indeed like watching an idiot continually slam their head into a wall... socialism cannot and will not work outside of a society with a controlling elite ruling over a mass of prisoners, slaves and robots (and robots do not exist)... you fail to grasp the concepts of human nature and the fact that people thrive on incentive and wish to benefit from the fruits of their labor.. they put their families first, and rightfully so.. and will battle against things that let them better themselves or their family, just to give to those who fail, those who are lazy, or those who feel that everyone else OWES them something...

uber-leftists did agree to the bail out... uber-leftists even now are using that precedent in an attempt to give more handouts from the government and the backs of earners, to redistribute to groups and individuals they deem as deserving or entitled....

 

[Ravi]

Maybe we need a constitutional amendment to define the word "brother."

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Brother - 1: a male who has the same parents as another or one parent in common with another

Whether you and your feeble mind can accept the definition or not... again... it is what it is....

And watching you socialists think socialism is a viable and workable form of government is amusing as well... it is indeed like watching an idiot continually slam their head into a wall... socialism cannot and will not work outside of a society with a controlling elite ruling over a mass of prisoners, slaves and robots (and robots do not exist)... you fail to grasp the concepts of human nature and the fact that people thrive on incentive and wish to benefit from the fruits of their labor.. they put their families first, and rightfully so.. and will battle against things that let them better themselves or their family, just to give to those who fail, those who are lazy, or those who feel that everyone else OWES them something...

uber-leftists did agree to the bail out... uber-leftists even now are using that precedent in an attempt to give more handouts from the government and the backs of earners, to redistribute to groups and individuals they deem as deserving or entitled....

What makes you believe yourself to be the god of language?

I can read Websters every bit as well as you can .. but language extends far beyond Websters and far beyond what your mind is capable of comprehending.

"uber-leftists" .. you got a Websters definition of that supidity as well? In idiotland, all democrats are "uber-leftists"

I don't give a rat's ass about youir defintion of brother .. and more importantly, you have no power to enforce what you think about any damn thing.

Nor, my brother, do I give a fuck about your whines about socialism nor your inability to grasp the fact that socialism already exist in America .. has always existed in America .. and is growing in America.

The vast majority of Americans want universal healthcare .. a SOCIALIST concept.

I had hoped to keep this conversation civil, but can deal with however you choose to have it.

 

[DiamondDave]

What makes you believe yourself to be the god of language?

I can read Websters every bit as well as you can .. but language extends far beyond Websters and far beyond what your mind is capable of comprehending.

"uber-leftists" .. you got a Websters definition of that supidity as well? In idiotland, all democrats are "uber-leftists"

I don't give a rat's ass about youir defintion of brother .. and more importantly, you have no power to enforce what you think about any damn thing.

Nor, my brother, do I give a fuck about your whines about socialism nor your inability to grasp the fact that socialism already exist in America .. has always existed in America .. and is growing in America.

The vast majority of Americans want universal healthcare .. a SOCIALIST concept.

I had hoped to keep this conversation civil, but can deal with however you choose to have it.

No... all DEMs are not uber-leftists... but moderate DEMs are a smaller and smaller breed, with the DEM party's shift to the far left

As stated... you can think what you want... it does not change the fact that a brother is what it is... and in no subsequent definition of brother, do you fall under any category of it with me...

There have been socialist programs existing, wrongfully so and unconstitutionally so, for a while.. and you will always have people who believe in the constitution of this country that will fight those things....

What people "want" is irrelevant... people want more sex.. people want the best food and the best house... just because people WANT something does not mean that others are required to give it to them... hell, even when people NEED something, it does not mean that others are required to give it to them

My whines about socialism?? No... my hard stance against socialism and socialist rule being against the concept of a free society... Also the knowledge that socialism is a failed form of country government.. that socialism is a system of control that either requires total subservience or totalitarian forced control...

I fought to support freedom, and I will continue to do so

 

[DavidS]

Not really.

Because they basically don't reproduce.

And their numbers are constantly reduced by disease and infections.

Homos will decrease in number and power as time goes by.

Can someone please stop this guy from posting his disgusting shit in threads like this?

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Brother - 1: a male who has the same parents as another or one parent in common with another

Whether you and your feeble mind can accept the definition or not... again... it is what it is....

And watching you socialists think socialism is a viable and workable form of government is amusing as well... it is indeed like watching an idiot continually slam their head into a wall... socialism cannot and will not work outside of a society with a controlling elite ruling over a mass of prisoners, slaves and robots (and robots do not exist)... you fail to grasp the concepts of human nature and the fact that people thrive on incentive and wish to benefit from the fruits of their labor.. they put their families first, and rightfully so.. and will battle against things that let them better themselves or their family, just to give to those who fail, those who are lazy, or those who feel that everyone else OWES them something...

uber-leftists did agree to the bail out... uber-leftists even now are using that precedent in an attempt to give more handouts from the government and the backs of earners, to redistribute to groups and individuals they deem as deserving or entitled....

Dave, you're obviously a person who needs strict boundaries. Marriage is between and man and a woman. Man is a man and can't be a woman. Black people are black not Asian. A brother is a male biological sibling. Sorry, but that's how YOU see things, not necessarily anyone else.

And I'm an "uber-leftist" and I sure as hell do not agree with the bail out. I think we're all getting ripped off right under our noses.

And here are some socialists concepts: social security, unemployment insurance, medicare/medicaid, Veterans Affairs, public schools, public lands like national parks and forests, and government grants for non-profit institutions like nursing homes. These are all socialistic. Would you do away with any of them?

And socialism has been working fine in Venezuela, Cuba, Canada, Germany, France, and the UK, among others.

Socialism doesn't take away the fruits of a persons labor, it makes the fruits of the labor about something other than and more than money. Socialism makes work about work and living a meaningful life. Socialists work at what they want to work at and what they're good at working at - since often times they are the same. Does that mean socialists don't work as McDonald's managers because no one wants to? No, because there are stupid people, lazy people, ignorant people, people who lack confidence and the courage to follow their dreams in socialist countries just like in capitalistic countries. But socialist goes to work because they want to and because most people need to work (its human nature) not because they want to get rich. And no one in socialist countries gets a free ride through life. The government only supplies the basic necesseties, yet people still want cable, the internet, cell phones, nice cars, nice clothes, and nice homes among other things. Do you think there are a majority of people sitting around doing nothing in Canada or the UK and only a few who work at all? So then why do all those Canadians and Brits and French people all still go to work?

And marriage was adopted and redefined by the Christian church. What about the ancient Romans and Greeks? Didn't they perform marriage ceremonies? What about all of the other religious peoples of ancient times? Didn't they get married? Where did the Christians get the idea of marriage? Did they make it up themselves? No. Marriage is a word. Redefine it, big deal. Get over your fear and hatred of what you fear, Dave. Let homosexuals get married. Who cares?

 

[Andrew2382]

Can someone please stop this guy from posting his disgusting shit in threads like this?

People say the same shit about the dribble you spew onto these boards.

Grats on being able to marry your boyfriend in Conn now also David

 

[DavidS]

I believe I made it clear that I was referring Christian marriage (if not, that was certainly my intent). If people want to get married in an Ancient Roman church, Ancient Greek church, or any other church, so long as it's not a Christian church, it doesn't bother me at all.

Your discomfort is a sacrifice gays are willing to make in order to achieve their goals of equality. You do not lose money, you do not lose your job, your home value does not go up or down, your health stays the same, your family stays the same, your church stays the same... nothing in your life changes for better or worse if homosexuals are marrying each other. You just become uncomfortable about the situation. But with $700 billion dollars being spent by our government by playing eny-meny-miny-mo, the economy faltering, terrorism in afghanistan on the rise and a million other world issues, you'll probably forget about your disdain over homosexual marriage after a while and continue living your life. However, their lives will dramatically change. They will be entitled to the same rights you and I enjoy. Life is all about making choices... you can choose to be as uncomfortable about the situation as you'd like to be, but in the end, gays will receive equal rights.

And you are not the leader of your Church. Christianity does not have a Pope who can declare laws for all Christians and all Christian churches. Churches can do whatever they want to do because they are independent of some massive governing force.

Do I follow every law? Unfortunately not, but I do try to. I don't start each day knowing that I'm going to curse, but sometimes I do. Actually, I wasn't aware that cursing was not allowed - I thought it was blasphemy that was verboten (more knowledge for me to digest - thank you). On the other hand, gay people start every day knowing they are gay and presumably have no intention to stop being gay by the end of the day.

Your statement comes from ignorance. That would be like you saying you wake up every day with white skin or colored eyes. Homosexuality is not a choice - it is genetic. Gays can no sooner choose not to be gay than blacks can no longer be black.

And why am I so focused on this one law? Well, it's what this thread is about. How come you've never asked me why I'm so focussed on the auto industry when I post in that thread? Or about soccer, in the Sports section of the board? I can happily tell you why I'm so focused on soccer if it is important to you.

You mis-understood the question. Why are you not starting threads about all of the other ways humans can sin? Why are you so focused on THIS sin? I've never seen you talk about other sins human beings commit other than homosexuality.

Are you under the impression that I'm saying that no religion should allow gay marriage? If so, I'm not. Each religion has its own dogma, and my comments apply only to my views on Christian marriage. I've re-read my earlier post and I must say I think that is fairly clear if you read it completely.

I'm interested to find the passage in the "New Testament" that decries homosexual marriage.

 

[DavidS]

Who the hell are you to tell me what I can and can not think?

Thinking is one thing. Acting on preventing people from receiving equal rights is another.

 

[DavidS]

Liberty, justice and equal treatment under the law is all well and fine.. it does not, however, give them the right to redefine what a marriage is and has always been.... civil union ceremonies? All well and fine... but unless it is truly a man and a woman, it cannot be marriage

Gay marriage was around before Christianity ever existed. So, do you care to re-state your words? Let me do it for you:

it does not, however, give them the right to redefine what a marriage is according me.

 

[DavidS]

As do I... I am all for recognizing this DIFFERENT type of family union under the law... to afford the same rights....

But when it comes to infringing or changing the definition of marriage... as a means to try and 'crack' the establishment or to 'stick one' to the church or the parts of society who do not agree with homosexuality... that IS INDEED the gay agenda... and it is why they are stuck on this who redefining marriage part INSTEAD of accepting that their different union should be just accepted and not be discriminated against under the law

And by the way, the definition of marriage has been changed numerous times. In many Christian countries before America, Jews weren't allowed to get married, blacks weren't allowed to get married and the entire purpose of a marriage was so the woman could be a servant to the man. We've changed the definition of marriage to allow equal rights for men and women, we've changed the definition of marriage to include Jews and blacks as well. This isn't something that happened eons ago - if you look back 100 years ago, in 17 states, blacks weren't allowed to get married to whites and some states blacks weren't even allowed to get married at all. Do you wish to change the definition of marriage back so that blacks and jews can't get married and your wife becomes a servant to you?

 

[DavidS]

I find it very disturbing BAC that you are having sick homosexual fantasies about me!!!

The fact that it's gotten so much attention out of you shows that you're intrigued by it. Have you PM'd BAC yet to ask for more details and what he'd "do to you."

 

[DiamondDave]

Dave, you're obviously a person who needs strict boundaries. Marriage is between and man and a woman. Man is a man and can't be a woman. Black people are black not Asian. A brother is a male biological sibling. Sorry, but that's how YOU see things, not necessarily anyone else.

And I'm an "uber-leftist" and I sure as hell do not agree with the bail out. I think we're all getting ripped off right under our noses.

And here are some socialists concepts: social security, unemployment insurance, medicare/medicaid, Veterans Affairs, public schools, public lands like national parks and forests, and government grants for non-profit institutions like nursing homes. These are all socialistic. Would you do away with any of them?

And socialism has been working fine in Venezuela, Cuba, Canada, Germany, France, and the UK, among others.

Socialism doesn't take away the fruits of a persons labor, it makes the fruits of the labor about something other than and more than money. Socialism makes work about work and living a meaningful life. Socialists work at what they want to work at and what they're good at working at - since often times they are the same. Does that mean socialists don't work as McDonald's managers because no one wants to? No, because there are stupid people, lazy people, ignorant people, people who lack confidence and the courage to follow their dreams in socialist countries just like in capitalistic countries. But socialist goes to work because they want to and because most people need to work (its human nature) not because they want to get rich. And no one in socialist countries gets a free ride through life. The government only supplies the basic necesseties, yet people still want cable, the internet, cell phones, nice cars, nice clothes, and nice homes among other things. Do you think there are a majority of people sitting around doing nothing in Canada or the UK and only a few who work at all? So then why do all those Canadians and Brits and French people all still go to work?

And marriage was adopted and redefined by the Christian church. What about the ancient Romans and Greeks? Didn't they perform marriage ceremonies? What about all of the other religious peoples of ancient times? Didn't they get married? Where did the Christians get the idea of marriage? Did they make it up themselves? No. Marriage is a word. Redefine it, big deal. Get over your fear and hatred of what you fear, Dave. Let homosexuals get married. Who cares?

Ahhh... the 'if it feels good to me it is ok and you best accept it' mantra... sorry... whether you and your ilk like it or not, things are what they are...

Socialism does not work... countries that are more socialist have a harder time and are inherently behind free countries in advancement, production, etc... and fully socialist countries based on totalitarian control are complete failures... and yes, the taking away of freedom for socialist control is indeed failure

As for socialist programs.. .yes, i agree that most must be done away with... but to think that things such as the VA (which is a benefit of employment and retirement from that service/employment) is the same as the redistribution of wealth and a pure socialist system, is simply wrong... the government is indeed an employer to many, and the benefits involved from or derived from that employment is not socialism... but in terms of things such as welfare of any kind, yes, they should be done away with...

Socialism DOES INDEED take away from the fruits of the labor of those who achieve more of their own merit, choices, and labor... the person who is supposed to provide your basic necessities is YOU.. I do not exist to ensure you have the food to stuff into your pie hole, but if I have the means to employ you and we mutually benefit each other in that agreement of free will, then if I want your services I best be prepared to compensate you or be prepared to take that load on myself... people need to work to survive, but it is up to them to find that work, provide a service that gives them the compensation they need, and earn to provide their own needs... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITIES and PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY... in socialism either there are some that have the coverage to suck off the societal tit, or the ruling elite forces them to do what they need to have done and then redistributes what they deem necessary to those people... and when the achievers benefit less from their efforts, the efforts become less because the incentive is gone... I do not advance my career for your benefit.. I grow and earn more for the benefit of my children and I... and if I do indeed earn "extra" that is still MY extra that comes from MY efforts and choices... and in a free society, I choose what I do with that extra... it is not government property to seize and do with as they see proper

 

[DiamondDave]

Gay marriage was around before Christianity ever existed. So, do you care to re-state your words? Let me do it for you:

No... gays may have coupled up and done their thing all throughout the history of mankind... they were not married... the institution of marriage and what marriage is has always been recognized as the union between a man and a woman...

There may have been times in society where rights of certain peoples have been restricted... but it was about the right, not about the defined concept of what marriage is....

Again.. .equal rights... not the changing of what something is... a dog is a dog.. a rock is a rock... a sibling is a sibling... a man is a man... a woman is a woman... and a union is a union... but while all marriages may be unions, all unions are not marriages... just as if a term for gay unions are specifically defined, it does not mean that a marriage can then be deemed that kind of union..

Just because all marriages are unions and all man/man unions are also unions, does not mean that all subsets are indeed the same even though they are under the same umbrella term of a government recognized family union