Russian view on a second Trump term

[Bleipriester]

Sorry, it is in Russian. You will understand that there is no English version. I translate the key points for you.

"Leaving aside the comedic aspect of Trump, the harsh reality remains:
1) Neither the U.S. nor Russia will change their initial assessments of the causes of the conflict in Ukraine, and therefore a compromise there is impossible in principle;
2) the financing of Ukraine by the West will continue;
3) Russia's expenditure of economic and human resources in Ukraine plays into the hands of the Americans, and they will prolong the conflict to the maximum;
4) Russia and the United States have radically opposite geostrategic interests, and there can be no peaceful coexistence, let alone cooperation, in the current conditions."

Избрание Трампа будет плохой новостью для России

Избрание Дональда Трампа на пост президента США в 2016 году запомнилось неподдельным ликованием определенной части российского истеблишмента и хлопаньем пробок... РИА Новости, 25.01.2024

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No peaceful coexistence, will it be permanent proxy war or even a direct conflict? Maybe a Euro-only war against Russia? The US will win in any case but it is not clear if Russia will lose.

 

[ESay]

Until the European politicians grow a backbone and become 'adults' in foreign and security policy, the continent will remain a playground for foreign powers to pursue their goals.

 

[Bleipriester]

Until the European politicians grow a backbone and become 'adults' in foreign and security policy, the continent will remain a playground for foreign powers to pursue their goals.

All former European power houses lost their backbones in WWII. It is now a European mentality to outsource decision making. Take it literally, it is not imposed by a foreign power. They feel comfortable this way. It will be this way until a strong man/woman takes leadership.

 

[ESay]

All former European power houses lost their backbones in WWII. It is now a European mentality to outsource decision making. Take it literally, it is not imposed by a foreign power. They feel comfortable this way. It will be this way until a strong man/woman takes leadership.

Well, if the German people feel comfortable in getting in thousands (millions?) of the Middle Easterners fleeing from the chaos there or in losing cheap energy supplies due to Russia-Ukraine war, then let it be that.

 

[Bleipriester]

Well, if the German people feel comfortable in getting in thousands (millions?) of the Middle Easterners fleeing from the chaos there or in losing cheap energy supplies due to Russia-Ukraine war, then let it be that.

The Germans are a special case. The loss of national identity caused the German people to cease to exist. So there is no common denominator at all.

 

[rightwinger]

Sorry, it is in Russian. You will understand that there is no English version. I translate the key points for you.

"Leaving aside the comedic aspect of Trump, the harsh reality remains:
1) Neither the U.S. nor Russia will change their initial assessments of the causes of the conflict in Ukraine, and therefore a compromise there is impossible in principle;
2) the financing of Ukraine by the West will continue;
3) Russia's expenditure of economic and human resources in Ukraine plays into the hands of the Americans, and they will prolong the conflict to the maximum;
4) Russia and the United States have radically opposite geostrategic interests, and there can be no peaceful coexistence, let alone cooperation, in the current conditions."

Избрание Трампа будет плохой новостью для России

Избрание Дональда Трампа на пост президента США в 2016 году запомнилось неподдельным ликованием определенной части российского истеблишмента и хлопаньем пробок... РИА Новости, 25.01.2024

ria.ru

No peaceful coexistence, will it be permanent proxy war or even a direct conflict? Maybe a Euro-only war against Russia? The US will win in any case but it is not clear if Russia will lose.

Russia is entrenched with no capability of major offensive operations. Ukraine is unable to dislodge them. Basically ….I slap you, you slap me back

The longer the conflict goes on, the weaker Russia becomes. Something that is an advantage to the west and they will exploit.

 

[ESay]

The Germans are a special case. The loss of national identity caused the German people to cease to exist. So there is no common denominator at all.

The Germans don't consider themselves a single nation?

 

[Bleipriester]

Russia is entrenched with no capability of major offensive capabilities. Ukraine is unable to dislodge them. Basically ….I slap you, you slap me back

The longer the conflict goes on, the weaker Russia becomes. Something that is an advantage to the west and they will exploit.

That is only because Ukraine is waging total war while Russia is not even mobilizing. Ukraine is bleeding out and western experts give them only months without western assistance. If Russia issues a general mobilizing they would be able to conduct major offensives but risk domestic stability. Ukraine doesn´t risk stability because it is an iron regime masked as liberal democracy. You can´t wage total war as liberal democracy.

 

[Bleipriester]

The Germans don't consider themselves a single nation?

Actually not. Nation is bad word here.

 

[rightwinger]

That is only because Ukraine is waging total war while Russia is not even mobilizing. Ukraine is bleeding out and western experts give them only months without western assistance. If Russia issues a general mobilizing they would be able to conduct major offensives but risk domestic stability. Ukraine doesn´t risk stability because it is an iron regime masked as liberal democracy. You can´t wage total war as liberal democracy.

We saw Russian capability to conduct major offensive operations when they first invaded.
This is when they had all their tanks, helicopters, artillery and fresh troops. Their invasion ground to a halt because they couldn’t support it logistically.

To try the same today with their depleted forces would fail miserably.

 

[Bleipriester]

We saw Russian capability to conduct major offensive operations when they first invaded.
This is when they had all their tanks, helicopters, artillery and fresh troops. Their invasion ground to a halt because they couldn’t support it logistically.

To try the same today with their depleted forces would fail miserably.

Russia withdrew after Ukraine and Russia signed a treaty to settle the conflict in Turkey. Then Ukraine violated the treaty when the West told them to.

"Top Ukrainian politician and presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych added a seventh confirmation that a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine was agreed in principle in March 2022 that was later shot down by UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

The parliamentary leader of Zelenskiy's ''Servant of the People'' confirmed on November 24 in an interview that internationally mediated negotiations in Istanbul had produced an agreement to bring the fighting in Ukraine to an end."

Top Ukrainian politician Oleksiy Arestovych gives seventh confirmation of Russia-Ukraine peace deal agreed in March 2022

Top Ukrainian politician and presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych added a seventh confirmation that a peace deal ...

www.intellinews.com

 

[CowboyTed]

That is only because Ukraine is waging total war while Russia is not even mobilizing. Ukraine is bleeding out and western experts give them only months without western assistance. If Russia issues a general mobilizing they would be able to conduct major offensives but risk domestic stability. Ukraine doesn´t risk stability because it is an iron regime masked as liberal democracy. You can´t wage total war as liberal democracy.

So the 300,00 troops killed or injured so far were just for giggiles..

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Sorry, it is in Russian. You will understand that there is no English version. I translate the key points for you.

"Leaving aside the comedic aspect of Trump, the harsh reality remains:
1) Neither the U.S. nor Russia will change their initial assessments of the causes of the conflict in Ukraine, and therefore a compromise there is impossible in principle;
2) the financing of Ukraine by the West will continue;
3) Russia's expenditure of economic and human resources in Ukraine plays into the hands of the Americans, and they will prolong the conflict to the maximum;
4) Russia and the United States have radically opposite geostrategic interests, and there can be no peaceful coexistence, let alone cooperation, in the current conditions."

Избрание Трампа будет плохой новостью для России

Избрание Дональда Трампа на пост президента США в 2016 году запомнилось неподдельным ликованием определенной части российского истеблишмента и хлопаньем пробок... РИА Новости, 25.01.2024

ria.ru

No peaceful coexistence, will it be permanent proxy war or even a direct conflict? Maybe a Euro-only war against Russia? The US will win in any case but it is not clear if Russia will lose.

Russian view? I think more accurately it is the Putin regime view.

 

[rightwinger]

Russia withdrew after Ukraine and Russia signed a treaty to settle the conflict in Turkey. Then Ukraine violated the treaty when the West told them to.

"Top Ukrainian politician and presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych added a seventh confirmation that a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine was agreed in principle in March 2022 that was later shot down by UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

The parliamentary leader of Zelenskiy's ''Servant of the People'' confirmed on November 24 in an interview that internationally mediated negotiations in Istanbul had produced an agreement to bring the fighting in Ukraine to an end."

Top Ukrainian politician Oleksiy Arestovych gives seventh confirmation of Russia-Ukraine peace deal agreed in March 2022

Top Ukrainian politician and presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych added a seventh confirmation that a peace deal ...

www.intellinews.com

Has nothing to do with what I posted

 

[Bleipriester]

So the 300,00 troops killed or injured so far were just for giggiles..

At first we don´t know about the losses on both sides. Second, Russia has no general mobilization. They are sending reservists, mercs and the others are paid too. For example the Wagner mercs got 3000 $ each month and 10000 $ for each confirmed killed soldier. Effectively paid by the government as it hired Wagner.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Russians can only grow weaker as their ability to reproduce necessary supplies for its geostrategic poistion in the world inevitably desteriorate.

 

[Bleipriester]

Has nothing to do with what I posted

Yes, it does. You said they couldn´t maintain the offensive but the war was effectively over and Russia began to withdraw the forces. That is a huge different and it doesn´t imply whether the initial offensive would have been successful or not.

 

[Bleipriester]

The Russians can only grow weaker as their ability to reproduce necessary supplies for its geostrategic poistion in the world inevitably desteriorate.

The Russian arms industry is working nonstop even according to western sources. I guess the Russians will flood Ukraine with tanks and everything soon.

 

[rightwinger]

At first we don´t know about the losses on both sides. Second, Russia has no general mobilization. They are sending reservists, mercs and the others are paid too. For example the Wagner mercs got 3000 $ each month and 10000 $ for each confirmed killed soldier. Effectively paid by the government as it hired Wagner.

300,000 casualties in a war going nowhere and not needed to defend Mother Russia will use up your available soldiers no matter how much you pay.
The Russian economy can’t sustain an indefinite invasion. When they tried that in Afghanistan, the USSR collapsed

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, it does. You said they couldn´t maintain the offensive but the war was effectively over and Russia began to withdraw the forces. That is a huge different and it doesn´t imply whether the initial offensive would have been successful or not.

The initial invasion collapsed on itself
Russia quickly withdrew when they found more Ukrainian resistance than they anticipated.
They expected two weeks of fighting and the Ukrainian forces retreating and the Ukrainian government collapsing.