Russian intrusion on the USMB

[Bleipriester]

Why are they being tolerated? Look, it's all fine and dandy to be hands off and not want to moderate people for their opinions. But is there no sense of patriotic duty to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda, to foreign benefit?

I believe that is the duty of the reader to determine whether or not something is 'propaganda'. Information is like anything else you put into your body...buyer beware!

That being said...USMB is not ground zero for the Russians..or anyone else..for that matter. Facebook....Twitter....Instagram....Google...the major efforts are directed at the big platforms. A bunch of grumpy Boomers of either political persuasion--merit minimal effort.

Do you know facebook? There is no Putin spamming your facebook. If you are in a pro-russian facebook group, you will see pro-russian stuff posted.
If you are in a contra-russia group, you encounter no pro-russian stuff.

In truth..I have no face book account..not seeing the need. But..as I understand it--it is in the creation of these groups that the disinformation is promulgated. A large Pro-Trump group will be targeted with certain distorted facts..while an anti-Trump group will get different distorted facts.

This spills into the RW on occasion...like the anti-immigrant group founded near me..that turned out to be a Russian agitprop op.

UPDATE: Locals react to reported Russian meddling in Twin Falls anti-refugee Facebook rally

Exclusive: Russia Used Facebook Events to Organize Anti-Immigrant Rallies on U.S. Soil

How Russia Sent a Small Idaho Town Into a Fake News Tailspin: NBC Left Field | After Truth

People get caught up in thinking that the Russians play favorites..when their goals are are to divide us..to their benefit.

The facebook groups are not moderated by facebook. The creator does.

 

[DOTR]

I believe that is the duty of the reader to determine whether or not something is 'propaganda'. Information is like anything else you put into your body...buyer beware!

That being said...USMB is not ground zero for the Russians..or anyone else..for that matter. Facebook....Twitter....Instagram....Google...the major efforts are directed at the big platforms. A bunch of grumpy Boomers of either political persuasion--merit minimal effort.

Your speculation does not disprove the allegation made in the OP. Propaganda is an effective tool, especially when the receptor has received daily BIG LIES across a large segment of mediums. AM radio has been an effective propaganda in the attacks on the MSM, as have the Sinclair and Murdoch properties.

You dont have to disprove allegations with no proof LOL. Lets see some "Russian intrusion". Otherwise I will consider this unproven and ridiculous...

so the intelligence agencies of the US government are lying wen they tell us they have evidence of russian trolls and bots infiltrating the whole world?

you truly believe the russians would never do such a thing?

sorry....

only an idiot or a troll would ever say that.

You are either an idiot or a liar. The post I responded to the claim there has been a "russian intrusion" into USMB. I ask where is it. So what part of the question confused you?

Idiot OR liar?

there seems to be no end to the number of posters here who excell at both duties simultaneously.

Dogmaphobe they are starting to creep me out really bad. When you see that kind of crazy being organized by the Head of Crazy. Watching Hillary seize and flop around with those weird demonic expressions...When you watch Pelosi twitch and her eyes roll like an animal...when you watch Biden ramble about "jars of sauce" and his tourettes explosions of "your fat ill do pushups your too old to vote man"..these are examples of crazy or demonic possession. And I am starting to see it in their followers. The same mental illness and break with reality. I think playing around with anal sex and killing babies is what is driving them over the edge.
Nov 2020 is going to be so much fun. By then they will be stretched to almost breaking. Their second time around watching Trump inaugurated will send them into institutions where they belong. They can sit in padded rooms and babble about secret agents and such.

 

[Bleipriester]

Where exactly is that Russian intrusion taking place?

Love your deflection dude.......

I don´t know about that "deflection dude" but you can have him for all I care.

 

[Ringel05]

Where exactly is that Russian intrusion taking place?

Love your deflection dude.......

I don´t know about that "deflection dude" but you can have him for all I care.

Have who?

 

[Bleipriester]

Where exactly is that Russian intrusion taking place?

Love your deflection dude.......

I don´t know about that "deflection dude" but you can have him for all I care.

Have who?

I don´t know. The Linux penguin, maybe.

 

[Ringel05]

Where exactly is that Russian intrusion taking place?

Love your deflection dude.......

I don´t know about that "deflection dude" but you can have him for all I care.

Have who?

I don´t know. The Linux penguin, maybe.

Okay tovaritch.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

If a person were an actual Russian agent here, how would they act?

Well, first of all, they would be extremely partisan. They would divide the world into us vs them and proceed to demonize one side while promoting the other. They would allow for no middle ground, no analysis, no objectivity, act as if one had to support all the most stringent dictates of one side or be assigned to the other and reject anything but complete ideological purity. They would point fingers, assign blame, encourage political tribalism and make sure to keep the pot stirred. If they were a really GOOD Russian agent, they might even accuse others of being Russian against in that classic agitprop technique geared towards sowing paranoia as well as divisiveness.

I hope that helps folks whittle down the list of potential Russian agents, here. It sure did me, as I was able to whittle down the list of potential agents from our 300 or so regular users all the way down to 275.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why are they being tolerated? Look, it's all fine and dandy to be hands off and not want to moderate people for their opinions. But is there no sense of patriotic duty to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda, to foreign benefit?

Yes there is.

And the best way to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda to the benefit of foreign entities is to expose and denounce those who carry water for Russia, China, and other adversary nations in free, open, and unregulated debate.

 

[daveman]

I believe that is the duty of the reader to determine whether or not something is 'propaganda'. Information is like anything else you put into your body...buyer beware!

That being said...USMB is not ground zero for the Russians..or anyone else..for that matter. Facebook....Twitter....Instagram....Google...the major efforts are directed at the big platforms. A bunch of grumpy Boomers of either political persuasion--merit minimal effort.

Your speculation does not disprove the allegation made in the OP. Propaganda is an effective tool, especially when the receptor has received daily BIG LIES across a large segment of mediums. AM radio has been an effective propaganda in the attacks on the MSM, as have the Sinclair and Murdoch properties.

You dont have to disprove allegations with no proof LOL. Lets see some "Russian intrusion". Otherwise I will consider this unproven and ridiculous...

so the intelligence agencies of the US government are lying wen they tell us they have evidence of russian trolls and bots infiltrating the whole world?

you truly believe the russians would never do such a thing?

sorry....

only an idiot or a troll would ever say that.

You are either an idiot or a liar. The post I responded to the claim there has been a "russian intrusion" into USMB. I ask where is it. So what part of the question confused you?

Seems to me that you too are a useful fool. You demand proof beyond a reasonable doubt that no poster on this message board is not an agent of Putin. That can't be provided, but the inference clear.

Useful fools are those who believe the MSM is all fake, and only web sites, AM Radio broadcasters, and the Sinclair and Murdoch properties, are the defenders of COTUS and democracy in America.

Any post or thread which presents as fact a single source from one of these ^^^ is to be suspect of aiding Russia in their quest to destroy democracy in America.

Included in this war on democracy is President Trump, and his fellow travelers in the Congress.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

NOTE: Screeching IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOUR A RUSSIAN AGENT is not proof of anything but your idiocy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Where exactly is that Russian intrusion taking place?

Have you not read a post by the Original Tree? Shall I name others who seem to be working as agents of Putin and foes of democracy?

I don´t read his threads, just by occasion, so I don´t know.
But not expressing the wish to nuke Russia is considered Russian agitation, I guess.

Your guess is silly. Defending our democratic institution is to protect and defend our way of life, and the self governance left us by our founders and the framers of COTUS. Putin gave the order to set in motion the election of Donald Trump.

You have to ask yourself why Putin did not want HRC to be our next President, and what Putin may know of trump, or have on him.

Correct.

Putin knew that HRC would be a formidable opponent, as opposed to the flaccid and clueless Trump.

 

[daveman]

Why are they being tolerated? Look, it's all fine and dandy to be hands off and not want to moderate people for their opinions. But is there no sense of patriotic duty to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda, to foreign benefit?

Yes there is.

And the best way to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda to the benefit of foreign entities is to expose and denounce those who carry water for Russia, China, and other adversary nations in free, open, and unregulated debate.

I've seen leftists support Communist and socialist regimes all over the world, oppressive Islamic theocracies -- basically, the less freedom a nation has, the more the left supports it.

Your impotent denials are meaningless.

 

[hunarcy]

Who are these Russians you speak of comrade?

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Dragonlady for one. He/She/It has admitted to being a foreigner and yet wants to lecture US citizens on what our basic values are in a way to cause dissent. Definitely the behavior of a Russian provocateur.

 

[Olde Europe]

And the best way to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda to the benefit of foreign entities is to expose and denounce those who carry water for Russia, China, and other adversary nations in free, open, and unregulated debate.

Shouldn't there be detecting before the exposing and denouncing? And how do you propose to do that?

"Have you ever favored any Russian interest? Spoken out in favor? Hinted at it? Or do you know anyone who favored any Russian interest? Heard anyone speak out in favor? Heard anyone hint they support Russian interests?"

I find, any notion that Putin's goons even care for this place - hardly known to more than 0.01% of Americans - is wildly overblown, as are the regular accusation of "Russian!" And what if one of them were to alight on here? This is supposed to be a gathering ground for politically informed folks who wouldn't fall for Russian propaganda. No way, no how!

Or would they?

 

[Rye Catcher]

Your speculation does not disprove the allegation made in the OP. Propaganda is an effective tool, especially when the receptor has received daily BIG LIES across a large segment of mediums. AM radio has been an effective propaganda in the attacks on the MSM, as have the Sinclair and Murdoch properties.

You dont have to disprove allegations with no proof LOL. Lets see some "Russian intrusion". Otherwise I will consider this unproven and ridiculous...

so the intelligence agencies of the US government are lying wen they tell us they have evidence of russian trolls and bots infiltrating the whole world?

you truly believe the russians would never do such a thing?

sorry....

only an idiot or a troll would ever say that.

You are either an idiot or a liar. The post I responded to the claim there has been a "russian intrusion" into USMB. I ask where is it. So what part of the question confused you?

Seems to me that you too are a useful fool. You demand proof beyond a reasonable doubt that no poster on this message board is not an agent of Putin. That can't be provided, but the inference clear.

Useful fools are those who believe the MSM is all fake, and only web sites, AM Radio broadcasters, and the Sinclair and Murdoch properties, are the defenders of COTUS and democracy in America.

Any post or thread which presents as fact a single source from one of these ^^^ is to be suspect of aiding Russia in their quest to destroy democracy in America.

Included in this war on democracy is President Trump, and his fellow travelers in the Congress.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

NOTE: Screeching IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOUR A RUSSIAN AGENT is not proof of anything but your idiocy.

Herein is some extraordinary proof:

Moscow Mitch and other Republican Senators have stonewalled efforts by the H. or Reps. majority to protect our elections.

2020 election security: GOP senators block bills hours after Mueller warns of Russian interference - CNNPolitics

 

[Yarddog]

Why are they being tolerated? Look, it's all fine and dandy to be hands off and not want to moderate people for their opinions. But is there no sense of patriotic duty to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda, to foreign benefit?

Which one is the Russian?

 

[Oddball]

Why are they being tolerated? Look, it's all fine and dandy to be hands off and not want to moderate people for their opinions. But is there no sense of patriotic duty to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda, to foreign benefit?

I believe that is the duty of the reader to determine whether or not something is 'propaganda'. Information is like anything else you put into your body...buyer beware!

That being said...USMB is not ground zero for the Russians..or anyone else..for that matter. Facebook....Twitter....Instagram....Google...the major efforts are directed at the big platforms. A bunch of grumpy Boomers of either political persuasion--merit minimal effort.

Do you know facebook? There is no Putin spamming your facebook. If you are in a pro-russian facebook group, you will see pro-russian stuff posted.
If you are in a contra-russia group, you encounter no pro-russian stuff.

In truth..I have no face book account..not seeing the need. But..as I understand it--it is in the creation of these groups that the disinformation is promulgated. A large Pro-Trump group will be targeted with certain distorted facts..while an anti-Trump group will get different distorted facts.

This spills into the RW on occasion...like the anti-immigrant group founded near me..that turned out to be a Russian agitprop op.

UPDATE: Locals react to reported Russian meddling in Twin Falls anti-refugee Facebook rally

Exclusive: Russia Used Facebook Events to Organize Anti-Immigrant Rallies on U.S. Soil

How Russia Sent a Small Idaho Town Into a Fake News Tailspin: NBC Left Field | After Truth

People get caught up in thinking that the Russians play favorites..when their goals are are to divide us..to their benefit.

The facebook groups are not moderated by facebook. The creator does.

False.

All posts are moderated by algorithm....I've been banned from posts in private groups without any input whatsoever from the admins of the group.

 

[Bleipriester]

Why are they being tolerated? Look, it's all fine and dandy to be hands off and not want to moderate people for their opinions. But is there no sense of patriotic duty to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda, to foreign benefit?

I believe that is the duty of the reader to determine whether or not something is 'propaganda'. Information is like anything else you put into your body...buyer beware!

That being said...USMB is not ground zero for the Russians..or anyone else..for that matter. Facebook....Twitter....Instagram....Google...the major efforts are directed at the big platforms. A bunch of grumpy Boomers of either political persuasion--merit minimal effort.

Do you know facebook? There is no Putin spamming your facebook. If you are in a pro-russian facebook group, you will see pro-russian stuff posted.
If you are in a contra-russia group, you encounter no pro-russian stuff.

In truth..I have no face book account..not seeing the need. But..as I understand it--it is in the creation of these groups that the disinformation is promulgated. A large Pro-Trump group will be targeted with certain distorted facts..while an anti-Trump group will get different distorted facts.

This spills into the RW on occasion...like the anti-immigrant group founded near me..that turned out to be a Russian agitprop op.

UPDATE: Locals react to reported Russian meddling in Twin Falls anti-refugee Facebook rally

Exclusive: Russia Used Facebook Events to Organize Anti-Immigrant Rallies on U.S. Soil

How Russia Sent a Small Idaho Town Into a Fake News Tailspin: NBC Left Field | After Truth

People get caught up in thinking that the Russians play favorites..when their goals are are to divide us..to their benefit.

The facebook groups are not moderated by facebook. The creator does.

False.

All posts are moderated by algorithm....I've been banned from posts in private groups without any input whatsoever from the admins of the group.

Never experienced that. Maybe you should watch your language?

 

[Oddball]

I believe that is the duty of the reader to determine whether or not something is 'propaganda'. Information is like anything else you put into your body...buyer beware!

That being said...USMB is not ground zero for the Russians..or anyone else..for that matter. Facebook....Twitter....Instagram....Google...the major efforts are directed at the big platforms. A bunch of grumpy Boomers of either political persuasion--merit minimal effort.

Do you know facebook? There is no Putin spamming your facebook. If you are in a pro-russian facebook group, you will see pro-russian stuff posted.
If you are in a contra-russia group, you encounter no pro-russian stuff.

In truth..I have no face book account..not seeing the need. But..as I understand it--it is in the creation of these groups that the disinformation is promulgated. A large Pro-Trump group will be targeted with certain distorted facts..while an anti-Trump group will get different distorted facts.

This spills into the RW on occasion...like the anti-immigrant group founded near me..that turned out to be a Russian agitprop op.

UPDATE: Locals react to reported Russian meddling in Twin Falls anti-refugee Facebook rally

Exclusive: Russia Used Facebook Events to Organize Anti-Immigrant Rallies on U.S. Soil

How Russia Sent a Small Idaho Town Into a Fake News Tailspin: NBC Left Field | After Truth

People get caught up in thinking that the Russians play favorites..when their goals are are to divide us..to their benefit.

The facebook groups are not moderated by facebook. The creator does.

False.

All posts are moderated by algorithm....I've been banned from posts in private groups without any input whatsoever from the admins of the group.

Never experienced that. Maybe you should watch your language?

It's not just language, they have picture recognition algorithms too...Been banned for memes within a minute of posting them.

 

[Bleipriester]

Do you know facebook? There is no Putin spamming your facebook. If you are in a pro-russian facebook group, you will see pro-russian stuff posted.
If you are in a contra-russia group, you encounter no pro-russian stuff.

In truth..I have no face book account..not seeing the need. But..as I understand it--it is in the creation of these groups that the disinformation is promulgated. A large Pro-Trump group will be targeted with certain distorted facts..while an anti-Trump group will get different distorted facts.

This spills into the RW on occasion...like the anti-immigrant group founded near me..that turned out to be a Russian agitprop op.

UPDATE: Locals react to reported Russian meddling in Twin Falls anti-refugee Facebook rally

Exclusive: Russia Used Facebook Events to Organize Anti-Immigrant Rallies on U.S. Soil

How Russia Sent a Small Idaho Town Into a Fake News Tailspin: NBC Left Field | After Truth

People get caught up in thinking that the Russians play favorites..when their goals are are to divide us..to their benefit.

The facebook groups are not moderated by facebook. The creator does.

False.

All posts are moderated by algorithm....I've been banned from posts in private groups without any input whatsoever from the admins of the group.

Never experienced that. Maybe you should watch your language?

It's not just language, they have picture recognition algorithms too...Been banned for memes within a minute of posting them.

I just saw this one, libs will be offended.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Why are they being tolerated? Look, it's all fine and dandy to be hands off and not want to moderate people for their opinions. But is there no sense of patriotic duty to oppose foreign attempts to influence our people through propaganda, to foreign benefit?

Which one is the Russian?

Jitss617 and lennypartiv are two clear examples.