Russian Collusion In A Nutshell

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"Most important, we do not yet know whether the Russians have the help of U.S. citizens including people associated with the Trump campaign. Many of the Trump's campaign personnel, including the president himself, have ties to Russia and Russian interests. This is of course no crime.

On the other hand, if the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it aided or abetted the Russians, it would not only be a serious crime, it would also represent one of the most shocking betrayals of democracy in history."
 
A few years ago, Republicans would hammer Democrats for being soft on countries who attacked America.

Today they rationalize it.

Are you saying Russians attacked us?

When exactly?
Gowdy says in 2016.
But whether he's gonna do anything about it is a different issue.

Gowdy says they attacked us. OK, what did they do exactly?

Some say they meddled, some say they hacked, some say they interfered. What exactly Russians did?
You might take a look at the senate intelligence report summary; its only 7 pages.
 
Liar. Nobody said Russia wasn't spying on us.
Any idiot knows Russians have been spying on us since the formation of the Soviet Union before WWII....so stop repeating that despicable lie.


The truth is, Democrats were tricked by Russian hackers into giving away the crimes they were committing, and they got caught red-handed (no pun intended).

Russians tried the same trick on the Republicans and failed.
Now the Democrats are trying to blame their malfeasance on Russia and Trump.


speaking of despicable lies...? there were no crimes committed, liar.

...fake news fabricated by fools RABIDLY claiming fake news "malfeasance"
for DNC having a crime committed AGAINST them.

hysterical loons acted as if it is SHOCKING for a political party to prefer a candidate... (gtfo)


and ah oh yeah ho-hum hacking the DNC is the only CRIMINAL ACT committed


The fact is the cyber attacks on the DNC, DNCC and the bitches campaign is no greater crime than the hacking of any other private organization. Maybe they should learn the lesson and increase cyber security and briefing their people about phishing emails.


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"The Russian active measures campaign may have begun as early as 2015, when Russian intelligence services launched a series of spear fishing attacks designed to penetrate the computers of a broad array of Washington based Democratic and Republican party organizations, think tanks and other entities.

And why did the Obama Admin not go to full national security alert? In fact, 2 weeks before the election Obama gets up there and poo poos the idea of foreign power "hacking an election". Doesn't sound like they were they motivated to even mount a token defense. Don't you find that strange? Given the immense noise and long lasting national conflict this is creating NOW.

Why did the FBI not RUN to the DNC with sirens and lights to swoop up the evidence? Why did not ONE US Intel counter cyber operative EVER lay hands or eyes on the evidence?

Sounds like they KNEW they were hacked and released a trickle of the compromising material themselves to "cleanse" the blackmail potential and not create a fuss for the incoming reign of Queen Hillary.
 
maybe people should lock their doors at night so fascist governments won't steal their national ideals...
 
"putin said it wasn't russia..i don't see any reason why it would be"




oh, alriiiiiighty then! :cuckoo:


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money laundering alleged in sales of Trump properties
 
Not really.
The Gay couple picked that bakery and targeted them for harassment.
The bakery gave them addresses for other bakeries that would help them, but they chose to sue them instead.
In the Red Hen's case, the bitch owner not only told her to leave, but followed her, like an asshole, and harassed her when she tried to go somewhere else.
No, it's exactly the same thing. Owners refusing service to a patron.
 
Oh, I think they keep score and I think they do know what the truth is, but they will never admit it. Look at Billo's attempts at deflection, skillfully done but nobody is buying it. Hillary was a piss-poor candidate and she ran a piss-poor campaign and she narrowly lost in too many swing states. And that is it, finito.
We're not talking about Hillary, ya fuckin' dumbass!
 
And yet NOT A SINGLE one is accused of collusion. Go figure.
You're indicted if there is evidence you committed a crime. Listen traitor, why don't you go live in Russia, since you're so keen on defending them.

What happened today, is the equivalent of Kennedy siding with Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

JFK: "Nikita said there are no nukes in Cuba and I believe him!"
 
And yet NOT A SINGLE one is accused of collusion. Go figure.
You're indicted if there is evidence you committed a crime. Listen traitor, why don't you go live in Russia, since you're so keen on defending them.

What happened today, is the equivalent of Kennedy siding with Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

JFK: "Nikita said there are no nukes in Cuba and I believe him!"

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Intel Community gave Kennedy this to slap in the face of Krushchev.

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Pretty much ENDS the protestations of innocence. I think the problem here is all Trump can slap Putin with is a special counsel indictment from a guy who should leave prosecuting espionage cases to the 13 Intel Agencies that do that stuff every day.

Where's the server and the Intel report on the forensics? Never actually happened and CAN'T happen now. FBI should have RAIDED the DNC and snatched it up when the attack was 1st detected. Or install their people THERE to continue to monitor the intrusion.

If it WAS an attack on our country by terrorists as the leftist hype goes -- we sure didn't respond to it --- did "we"?
 
Be VERY specific and cite for us the conviction on collusion or conspiracy.
The indictment states on July 27, 2016, Russian operatives hacked Clinton's emails.

"...on or about July 27, 2016, the Conspirators attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton Campaign.”

Later that day in a press conference, Trump said...

On July 27, at a press conference, seemingly out of the blue, Trump said: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” referring to the so-called “missing” emails from the private server Hillary Clinton used while serving as secretary of state.
25 Russians have been indicted on charges of interfering with our election.

Twenty-five Russians have been indicted for helping to elect Donald Trump. Twelve of them are active Russian intelligence agents. Thirteen of them worked for something called the “Internet Research Agency LLC,” described in the indictment handed down in February as “a Russian organization engaged in operations to interfere with elections and political processes.”
Right after Trump made that statement to Russia hoping they would find those emails, that's exactly what they went out and did.

Clearly, the indictment issued by Special Counsel Robert Mueller yesterday is saying that right after Trump called on “Russia” to “find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Russians did just that. They went looking for those emails by going after Clinton’s personal email server.
That is collusion!

As far as the convictions...

Papadopoulos was indicted and pled guilty to the charge of lying to the FBI when he was questioned about the meetings he had with Mifsud and Russians.

Mike Flynn convicted (by guilty plea) on December 1, 2017 for lying to the FBI and regarding contacts and communications with Russians on behalf of the Trump transition team.

Richard Pinedo: California man convicted February 2, 2018 for helping the indicted Russian individuals and companies in their meddling in the Presidential election.

Alex Van der Zwaan: The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch pleads guilty on February 20, 2018 for lying to the FBI regarding his communications with Rick Gates and Paul Manafort on behalf of pro-Soviet elements in the Ukraine.

Rick Gates: As widely anticipated, on February 23, 2018 Rick Gates strikes a plea agreement and pleads guilty to multiple counts for conspiracy to defraud the United States and making false statements.
As far as Manafort's indictment...

Paul Manafort: Indicted with Rick Gates on October 30, 2017 on charges of conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and multiple counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. The indictment alleges Manafort and Gates acted as agents for pro-Russian parties and elements of the Ukrainian government (tied to former pro-Soviet Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych).
No evidence my ass!
 
You including the 8 russian trolls who spent less than $50K? Or the many verdicts that are held up in sentencing because of the hinkinest in how the govt ENTRAPPED many Trump campaign people?

Good for Mueller. He got the big fish Manafort. On something that happened WAAAY before the campaign. You ought feel that good when Podesta or Jill Stein get indicted on "colluding with the Russians". The MAJOR "colluding with the Russians" occurred when the Clinton campaign FINANCED a phony as shit "Russian dossier" based on the fantasies of several REAL RUSSIAN SPIES. Now THAT -- is colluding with the Russians.

But -- you're not interested in ANY of those 3 things apparently.

BTW -- the funnest part is when those russian trolls appear voluntarily for Mueller evidence and discovery. THAT is worth the price of the whole "collusion" witch hunt.

WE did this to ourselves. WE did more damage to the credibility of our govt and our elections that Putin could EVER dream of doing. And Putin thanks you for helping.

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You know what you are doing? You are siding with the 19 hijackers on 9/11. You are siding with Khrushchev in 1962.
 
This shit happens in every single election. It only became a 4 alarm fire because Trump won.

Russias goal is to sow distrust among the American people with regard to our political system.
THEY SUCCEEDED in large part because of people like you.

Espionage is not new to the Trump presidency and suggesting it is now suddenly a problem when little has changed is hysterical

Putin didnt care who won..so long as the loser attacked the US from within, Fascist theory is that democratic elections are a waste of time and lead to weak and corrupt governments. He lets Hillary say it for him these days.
BULLSHIT A bi partisan group of congressmen said THERE IS NO DOUBT that russians hacked our elections to AIDE TRUMP

Let me guess, that information was presented by Clapper, Brennan, and Rosenstein.

What exactly Russian hacked? Ballot machines? Voting registers?
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I don't see the answer to my question.

Let me repeat it: What exactly Russians hacked?
They hacked a feeling that they should not have tried
 
Be VERY specific and cite for us HOW it was attacked.


The defendants are charged with conspiracy against the United States, identity theft, and money laundering.

“The object of the conspiracy was to hack into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the indictment states.

The indictment lays out in more detail than previously known how the hacking worked. While the federal government released an intelligence document explaining its conclusions, it offered little hard evidence. Mueller marshals more detailed forensic evidence, recording specific actions, down to searches run and files deleted.

According to Mueller, the GRU, Russia’s main foreign-intelligence agency, conducted the operation with the intention of interfering with the election. One unit was charged with hacking, while another had responsibility for spreading what was known.

The hacking unit used two methods. The first was spearphishing—sending emails intended to trick users into divulging user names and passwords. This was already known to be the method by which hackers got into Podesta’s email. The second was to hack into computer networks, installing malware that allowed them to spy on users, capture keystrokes, take screenshots, and steal files. In addition to the Democratic targets, the Russians allegedly tinkered with hacking state boards of election. Various reports have speculated on whether the Russians did, in fact, break into state election functions, and the indictment provides an answer.

To get the documents out, the second GRU unit created two front personas. One, called DCLeaks, released an early tranche of Podesta emails. The second, Guccifer 2.0, took his name from an earlier Romanian hacker, who became famous for releasing pictures of former President George W. Bush’s paintings. Though they pretended to be Americans and a Romanian, respectively, both DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 were Russian intelligence, Mueller charges. To cover up their tracks, they set up a network outside Russia, paid for with cryptocurrencies.

The indictment states that the GRU officials corresponded with several Americans. For example, in August, Guccifer 2.0 “wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, ‘thank u for writing back … do u find anyting [sic] interesting in the docs i posted?’” Previous investigations have already revealed that that individual was Roger Stone, the sometime Trump adviser and former business partner of Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.


The indictment also says that the GRU used an outside organization to help disseminate the documents. Though it is not named, the details indicate it is WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has insisted that his organization’s source for documents was not the Russian state.

The indictment also says that in August 2016, an unnamed U.S. congressional campaign requested stolen documents from Guccifer 2.0. The hackers provided that information.


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Mueller Indicts 12 Russians in 2016 Election Email Hack - The Atlantic

so they conspired to tell the truth to the American people?

that doesn't seem like the end of days to me
 
You including the 8 russian trolls who spent less than $50K? Or the many verdicts that are held up in sentencing because of the hinkinest in how the govt ENTRAPPED many Trump campaign people?

Good for Mueller. He got the big fish Manafort. On something that happened WAAAY before the campaign. You ought feel that good when Podesta or Jill Stein get indicted on "colluding with the Russians". The MAJOR "colluding with the Russians" occurred when the Clinton campaign FINANCED a phony as shit "Russian dossier" based on the fantasies of several REAL RUSSIAN SPIES. Now THAT -- is colluding with the Russians.

But -- you're not interested in ANY of those 3 things apparently.

BTW -- the funnest part is when those russian trolls appear voluntarily for Mueller evidence and discovery. THAT is worth the price of the whole "collusion" witch hunt.

WE did this to ourselves. WE did more damage to the credibility of our govt and our elections that Putin could EVER dream of doing. And Putin thanks you for helping.

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You know what you are doing? You are siding with the 19 hijackers on 9/11. You are siding with Khrushchev in 1962.

Bullshit.. With pictures like the Russian Missile sites tossed at Krushchev --- . Any moron could stop Vlad Putin from lying about it. Where's the missile silo evidence?

WE have compromised the confidence in our political system. Putin is laughing his ass off at how much youre helping destabilize the country.

He's still PISSED about how we interfered with the fall of his Soviet Union. That's what all this is about. We saw it crumbling and our Intel people just gave it a little "extra nudge".
 
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