Russia threatens Poland for Soviet memorial tear down.

[Sbiker]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Soviet soldiers didn't perform Holocaust at Poland territory... They STOPPED Holocaust anyhow. Or mass murder of 6 million jews is nothing significant for Poles now?

 

[Sbiker]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

3128 Poles were died in GULag after war, from 60000 prisoned as Vermacht soldiers. You compare it with millions of holocausted jews? Poland uber alles and so on? Until next brute force...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Soviet soldiers didn't perform Holocaust at Poland territory... They STOPPED Holocaust anyhow. Or mass murder of 6 million jews is nothing significant for Poles now?

Sure, Soviets were a better option for Poland, but that doesn't say much.

I'm pretty indifferent to the Jew Holocaust, personally.

Jews are incredibly anti-Polish, most of them blame Poland for the Holocaust.

Therefor I don't care about these people.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

If they hadn't first invaded and occupied eastern Poland as a conqueror with Adolph Hitler I'd say you have a point. But they did, so they can't claim to be the benevolent liberators of Poland.

Russia should offer to truck out any monuments the Poles don't want back to Russia. The ones that are too large are free to be destroyed by Poland. Russians already honor their own war dead. They can't insist another country be forced to do the same, a country they invaded and held prisoner behind the Iron Curtain for 45 years after WW2 was over.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Their dead deserve to be honored.

They can take the memorials to Russia and honor their dead at home.
Poland has no obligation to honor their enslavers.

 

[Eloy]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

 

[Eloy]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

If they hadn't first invaded and occupied eastern Poland as a conqueror with Adolph Hitler I'd say you have a point. But they did, so they can't claim to be the benevolent liberators of Poland.

Russia should offer to truck out any monuments the Poles don't want back to Russia. The ones that are too large are free to be destroyed by Poland. Russians already honor their own war dead. They can't insist another country be forced to do the same, a country they invaded and held prisoner behind the Iron Curtain for 45 years after WW2 was over.

An agreement was already made in 1989 between Poland and Russia when the Poles gave their word that the monuments would be protected.
The word of the Poles should count for something.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

If they hadn't first invaded and occupied eastern Poland as a conqueror with Adolph Hitler I'd say you have a point. But they did, so they can't claim to be the benevolent liberators of Poland.

Russia should offer to truck out any monuments the Poles don't want back to Russia. The ones that are too large are free to be destroyed by Poland. Russians already honor their own war dead. They can't insist another country be forced to do the same, a country they invaded and held prisoner behind the Iron Curtain for 45 years after WW2 was over.

An agreement was already made in 1989 between Poland and Russia when the Poles gave their word that the monuments would be protected.
The word of the Poles should count for something.

How about these words? Fuck Russia.
Stick your monuments up your ass.

 

[oldsoul]

But, I thought the Russians were our friends...

• The Russian "reset". Oops, that didn't work out.
• "I'll be more flexible after the election." Flexible about what? yoga?
• No problem that the Russians gained access to a bunch of U.S. uranium. Nothing to see here....

Interesting that now the Russians are our most concerning adversary. Oh, right, a Republican is in office now, I almost forgot...

How much U.S. uranium did Russia get? oldsoul

Don't know for sure, don't care. Merely illustrating a point. Was it lost on you?

They didn't get any. So your point is a falsehood.

So, your admitting that my point was lost on you. Thanks.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

 

[Eloy]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis. No-one would agree with you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis. No-one would agree with you.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis.

They replaced Nazi chains with Commie chains.
Thanks for nothing, asshole!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis. No-one would agree with you.

The Soviets stopping at the Banks of Warsaw not to help Poles fight Nazis, but to wait until they were killed off.

This supports that Soviets were more interested in conquering Poland, rather than liberating Poland.

 

[Stratford57]

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis. No-one would agree with you.

The Soviets stopping at the Banks of Warsaw not to help Poles fight Nazis, but to wait until they were killed off.

This supports that Soviets were more interested in conquering Poland, rather than liberating Poland.

I wonder where all that BS you have been writing on so many pages comes from? Your hateful nature and your sick head?

There are NO historical documents supporting your BS. BTW, your nick doesn't make any sense. It's Red Army who saved Europe, not some Sobeski.

 

[Correll]

An interesting conflict.


WWII did open with the joint Nazi Soviet invasion of Poland, and end with soviet oppression of Poland.

ON the other hand, quite a lot of russians, who had no input with soviet foreign policy, did die driving the nazis from Poland.


And Russia, is a large neighbor that it would be a good idea for the Poles to keep on reasonable terms.


Still, I would have to say the RUssians have to suck this one up.

Stalin was a fool and a monster and he was a Russian fool and a monster.


They want to have people like and keep Russia memorials, they need to do better in the future.

 

[Stratford57]

An interesting conflict.


WWII did open with the joint Nazi Soviet invasion of Poland, and end with soviet oppression of Poland.

ON the other hand, quite a lot of russians, who had no input with soviet foreign policy, did die driving the nazis from Poland.


And Russia, is a large neighbor that it would be a good idea for the Poles to keep on reasonable terms.


Still, I would have to say the RUssians have to suck this one up.

Stalin was a fool and a monster and he was a Russian fool and a monster.


They want to have people like and keep Russia memorials, they need to do better in the future.

Historical facts:
1. Stalin was a monster.
2. The people of Soviet Union defeated Hitler Nazis on the USSR territory and in Eastern Europe. The price was 25 million of the lives of Soviet people (it's only officially, a lot more in reality) .

#1 and #2 don't contradict each other. We are not talking about monuments to Stalin in Europe. However fallen Soviet soldiers of all nationalities (Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Georgians, Armenians, Moldavians, etc.) deserve some respect on the territories they sacrificed their lives for. It should be very simple to understand.

 

[Correll]

An interesting conflict.


WWII did open with the joint Nazi Soviet invasion of Poland, and end with soviet oppression of Poland.

ON the other hand, quite a lot of russians, who had no input with soviet foreign policy, did die driving the nazis from Poland.


And Russia, is a large neighbor that it would be a good idea for the Poles to keep on reasonable terms.


Still, I would have to say the RUssians have to suck this one up.

Stalin was a fool and a monster and he was a Russian fool and a monster.


They want to have people like and keep Russia memorials, they need to do better in the future.

Historical facts:
1. Stalin was a monster.
2. The people of Soviet Union defeated Hitler Nazis on the USSR territory and in Eastern Europe. The price was 25 million of the lives of Soviet people (it's only officially, a lot more in reality) .

#1 and #2 don't contradict each other. And fallen Soviet soldiers of all nationalities (Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Georgians, Armenians, Moldavians, etc.) deserve some respect on the territories they sacrificed their lives for. It should be very simple to understand.

WWII opened with the joint Nazi Soviet invasion of Poland.

WWII ended with Poland being part of the Totalitarian Soviet Empire.


I cannot fault the Poles for their views on this.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis. No-one would agree with you.

The Soviets stopping at the Banks of Warsaw not to help Poles fight Nazis, but to wait until they were killed off.

This supports that Soviets were more interested in conquering Poland, rather than liberating Poland.

I wonder where all that BS you have been writing on so many pages comes from? Your hateful nature and your sick head?

There are NO historical documents supporting your BS. BTW, your nick doesn't make any sense. It's Red Army who saved Europe, not some Sobeski.

Jan Sobieski helped save Europe from Islamic Turks.

Soviets on the other hand helped slave half of Europe.

 

[Eloy]

Neither was good.
Nor was it good for a Russian soldier to stop a bullet in Poland.

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis. No-one would agree with you.

The Soviets stopping at the Banks of Warsaw not to help Poles fight Nazis, but to wait until they were killed off.

This supports that Soviets were more interested in conquering Poland, rather than liberating Poland.

I wonder where all that BS you have been writing on so many pages comes from? Your hateful nature and your sick head?

There are NO historical documents supporting your BS. BTW, your nick doesn't make any sense. It's Red Army who saved Europe, not some Sobeski.

Jan Sobieski helped save Europe from Islamic Turks.

Soviets on the other hand helped slave half of Europe.

Were it not for the Soviets, Poles would be living as slaves in the Third Reich today.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Soviets during the Warsaw Uprising did next to nothing to help Poles.

You seem to be suggesting that the Soviets did not rid Poland of the Nazis. No-one would agree with you.

The Soviets stopping at the Banks of Warsaw not to help Poles fight Nazis, but to wait until they were killed off.

This supports that Soviets were more interested in conquering Poland, rather than liberating Poland.

I wonder where all that BS you have been writing on so many pages comes from? Your hateful nature and your sick head?

There are NO historical documents supporting your BS. BTW, your nick doesn't make any sense. It's Red Army who saved Europe, not some Sobeski.

Jan Sobieski helped save Europe from Islamic Turks.

Soviets on the other hand helped slave half of Europe.

Were it not for the Soviets, Poles would be living as slaves in the Third Reich.

If they hadn't divided up Poland with Hitler before the war, they'd be heroes instead of villains.
If they hadn't enslaved Eastern Europe for more than 4 decades, they'd be heroes instead of villains.
They're villains. They should take their monuments back to Russia.