Russia threatens Poland for Soviet memorial tear down.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

It's not reason for them, all humanistic arguments is nothing for Poland. They respect only brute force... So, while Russia is not ready to show force, to talk with them is a action with void effect... Germans already knew it - so, they could rule of Poland mood as they want

If Poles only respect brute force, how come Poles used less brute force than most others in Europe, historically?

Poles came to Russia in 1612 and in 1812 (with Napoleon) as aggressors. Poland got a several Russian territories in 1921 while Russia was weak..

Why the western countries left Poland alone in 1939, faced to Hitler attack? Because they didn't saw a difference between aggressive Poland and aggressive Germany. Poland always perform aggression against Russia, trying to take some of territories, but usually don't able to gather enough strength to act independently...

There's only a hand full of people in Europe in the league of Poles when it comes to it's lack of historic brute force, most notably Czechs, Slovaks, Finland, and the Baltic Nations.

But this countries didn't organize concentration camps for Russian soldiers, to murder them in violation of Zheneva convention.

You can tell people who respect brute force, by how much they support Israel, generally the might is right kind of people respect Israel's might.

In that regard than no Eastern Europeans would be that way.

Because now Israel have a solid lobby in world politics. By the way, Osventsim was at Poland territory...

Some Russians invited in Poland in the Polish Muscovite War of 1605 - 1618.

Napoleon had liberated Poland.

Poland didn't attack the real Russia in the Polish - Soviet War, they had attacked only Soviets.

So why do you punish statues of Russian soldiers for the crimes of Soviets?

Maybe because of this.

Soviet World War II crimes in Poland - dangvukinhquoc

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported more than 1,200,000 Poles, most in four mass deportations. The first deportation took place February 10, 1940, with more than 220,000 sent to northern European Russia; the second on April 13, 1940, sending 320,000 primarily to Kazakhstan; a third wave in June-July 1940 totaled more than 240,000; the fourth occurred in June, 1941, deporting 300,000. Upon resumption of Polish-Soviet diplomatic relations in 1941, it was determined based on Soviet information that more than 760,000 of the deportees had died—a large part of those dead being children, who had comprised about a third of deportees.[45].

 

[Sbiker]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

First answer, where is about 80.000 Red Army soldiers, captured by Poland in Soviet-Poland war and didn't returned back after this war?

The Red Army started the Russian Civil War killing 4 - 16 million Russians, another 6 million died in the Volga Famine caused by resources taking from this war.

Ok, but it's internal Russia deals, what's about Poland?

Words are just words. Stalin occupied Poland in 1939 it's a fact. NKVD murdered about 100.000 Poles. The best action to protest against it - remember all this people. By Names. Do you have at least one memorial at Poland, devoted to this people? I didn't hear about it. Instead all of this you have Katyn - a natural fake, abusing your real victims of Stalin's repressions too... WHY? Because Hoebbels ORDERED?

Memorials, you want to destroy - are not for Stalin, not for NKVD, not for any USSR executioner - for a simple Russian soldiers, dead in battle of Poland. At least they free Poland from Osventsim and Nurnberg process, paying own lifes for it - was is bad for Poland????? They are the same people, being in Gulag and so on. And now their memorials is main target for attack. Why? It seems, Poles don't do something independently, only if someone ORDER something...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

First answer, where is about 80.000 Red Army soldiers, captured by Poland in Soviet-Poland war and didn't returned back after this war?

The Red Army started the Russian Civil War killing 4 - 16 million Russians, another 6 million died in the Volga Famine caused by resources taking from this war.

Ok, but it's internal Russia deals, what's about Poland?

Words are just words. Stalin occupied Poland in 1939 it's a fact. NKVD murdered about 100.000 Poles. The best action to protest against it - remember all this people. By Names. Do you have at least one memorial at Poland, devoted to this people? I didn't hear about it. Instead all of this you have Katyn - a natural fake, abusing your real victims of Stalin's repressions too... WHY? Because Hoebbels ORDERED?

Memorials, you want to destroy - are not for Stalin, not for NKVD, not for any USSR executioner - for a simple Russian soldiers, dead in battle of Poland. At least they free Poland from Osventsim and Nurnberg process, paying own lifes for it - was is bad for Poland????? They are the same people, being in Gulag and so on. And now their memorials is main target for attack. Why? It seems, Poles don't do something independently, only if someone ORDER something...

By your logic Russia, should have Wehrmacht WW2 memorials in Russia, because they weren't the SS.

 

[Sbiker]

It's not reason for them, all humanistic arguments is nothing for Poland. They respect only brute force... So, while Russia is not ready to show force, to talk with them is a action with void effect... Germans already knew it - so, they could rule of Poland mood as they want

If Poles only respect brute force, how come Poles used less brute force than most others in Europe, historically?

Poles came to Russia in 1612 and in 1812 (with Napoleon) as aggressors. Poland got a several Russian territories in 1921 while Russia was weak..

Why the western countries left Poland alone in 1939, faced to Hitler attack? Because they didn't saw a difference between aggressive Poland and aggressive Germany. Poland always perform aggression against Russia, trying to take some of territories, but usually don't able to gather enough strength to act independently...

There's only a hand full of people in Europe in the league of Poles when it comes to it's lack of historic brute force, most notably Czechs, Slovaks, Finland, and the Baltic Nations.

But this countries didn't organize concentration camps for Russian soldiers, to murder them in violation of Zheneva convention.

You can tell people who respect brute force, by how much they support Israel, generally the might is right kind of people respect Israel's might.

In that regard than no Eastern Europeans would be that way.

Because now Israel have a solid lobby in world politics. By the way, Osventsim was at Poland territory...

Some Russians invited in Poland in the Polish Muscovite War of 1605 - 1618.

Napoleon had liberated Poland.

Poland didn't attack the real Russia in the Polish - Soviet War, they had attacked only Soviets.

So why do you punish statues of Russian soldiers for the crimes of Soviets?

Maybe because of this.

Soviet World War II crimes in Poland - dangvukinhquoc

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported more than 1,200,000 Poles, most in four mass deportations. The first deportation took place February 10, 1940, with more than 220,000 sent to northern European Russia; the second on April 13, 1940, sending 320,000 primarily to Kazakhstan; a third wave in June-July 1940 totaled more than 240,000; the fourth occurred in June, 1941, deporting 300,000. Upon resumption of Polish-Soviet diplomatic relations in 1941, it was determined based on Soviet information that more than 760,000 of the deportees had died—a large part of those dead being children, who had comprised about a third of deportees.[45].

No one original documents, only western phantasies based at few facts... But it's not your guilt, thank you, you at least try to read something..
Look here... Now in Kazakhstan are about 40.000 Poles. There was no mass migration in post-WWII of Poles from Kazakhstan - it's fact too... Where is 320.000 people - a whole population of Lublin? Stalin's regime murdered it during their way??? SO, where's cemetery for 320.000 (!!!) people. Who would count Pole people in western sources....

Try to read Stalin's documents... Real names, real people - very terrific... But truth..

 

[Sbiker]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

First answer, where is about 80.000 Red Army soldiers, captured by Poland in Soviet-Poland war and didn't returned back after this war?

The Red Army started the Russian Civil War killing 4 - 16 million Russians, another 6 million died in the Volga Famine caused by resources taking from this war.

Ok, but it's internal Russia deals, what's about Poland?

Words are just words. Stalin occupied Poland in 1939 it's a fact. NKVD murdered about 100.000 Poles. The best action to protest against it - remember all this people. By Names. Do you have at least one memorial at Poland, devoted to this people? I didn't hear about it. Instead all of this you have Katyn - a natural fake, abusing your real victims of Stalin's repressions too... WHY? Because Hoebbels ORDERED?

Memorials, you want to destroy - are not for Stalin, not for NKVD, not for any USSR executioner - for a simple Russian soldiers, dead in battle of Poland. At least they free Poland from Osventsim and Nurnberg process, paying own lifes for it - was is bad for Poland????? They are the same people, being in Gulag and so on. And now their memorials is main target for attack. Why? It seems, Poles don't do something independently, only if someone ORDER something...

By your logic Russia, should have Wehrmacht WW2 memorials in Russia, because they weren't the SS.

Let them be on territories, Wehrmacht consider as "liberated". At Ukraine - by the way, they now have memorials both to Wehrmacht and SS.

The same in Baltic countries.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

First answer, where is about 80.000 Red Army soldiers, captured by Poland in Soviet-Poland war and didn't returned back after this war?

The Red Army started the Russian Civil War killing 4 - 16 million Russians, another 6 million died in the Volga Famine caused by resources taking from this war.

Ok, but it's internal Russia deals, what's about Poland?

Words are just words. Stalin occupied Poland in 1939 it's a fact. NKVD murdered about 100.000 Poles. The best action to protest against it - remember all this people. By Names. Do you have at least one memorial at Poland, devoted to this people? I didn't hear about it. Instead all of this you have Katyn - a natural fake, abusing your real victims of Stalin's repressions too... WHY? Because Hoebbels ORDERED?

Memorials, you want to destroy - are not for Stalin, not for NKVD, not for any USSR executioner - for a simple Russian soldiers, dead in battle of Poland. At least they free Poland from Osventsim and Nurnberg process, paying own lifes for it - was is bad for Poland????? They are the same people, being in Gulag and so on. And now their memorials is main target for attack. Why? It seems, Poles don't do something independently, only if someone ORDER something...

By your logic Russia, should have Wehrmacht WW2 memorials in Russia, because they weren't the SS.

Let them be on territories, Wehrmacht consider as "liberated". At Ukraine - by the way, they now have memorials both to Wehrmacht and SS.

The same in Baltic countries.

So, you're saying countries should dictate what they do?

Or do you think Putin's Russia should bully countries to get their pro-Soviet way?

 

[Sbiker]

First answer, where is about 80.000 Red Army soldiers, captured by Poland in Soviet-Poland war and didn't returned back after this war?

The Red Army started the Russian Civil War killing 4 - 16 million Russians, another 6 million died in the Volga Famine caused by resources taking from this war.

Ok, but it's internal Russia deals, what's about Poland?

Words are just words. Stalin occupied Poland in 1939 it's a fact. NKVD murdered about 100.000 Poles. The best action to protest against it - remember all this people. By Names. Do you have at least one memorial at Poland, devoted to this people? I didn't hear about it. Instead all of this you have Katyn - a natural fake, abusing your real victims of Stalin's repressions too... WHY? Because Hoebbels ORDERED?

Memorials, you want to destroy - are not for Stalin, not for NKVD, not for any USSR executioner - for a simple Russian soldiers, dead in battle of Poland. At least they free Poland from Osventsim and Nurnberg process, paying own lifes for it - was is bad for Poland????? They are the same people, being in Gulag and so on. And now their memorials is main target for attack. Why? It seems, Poles don't do something independently, only if someone ORDER something...

By your logic Russia, should have Wehrmacht WW2 memorials in Russia, because they weren't the SS.

Let them be on territories, Wehrmacht consider as "liberated". At Ukraine - by the way, they now have memorials both to Wehrmacht and SS.

The same in Baltic countries.

So, you're saying countries should dictate what they do?
Or do you think Putin's Russia should bully countries to get their pro-Soviet way?

My oh my!
Just re-read your words.
You want to countries should not dictate, what to do, to others? Excellent... So, what's the deals for you about pro-Soviet way inside Russia?

You don't want Soviet memorials at your streets? Ok, it's your choice. So, return them to Russia as-is - what's the problem?

 

[Bleipriester]

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well... How did Russians insult you? Looks like you don't know much about Russians (except for propaganda).

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

Big witch hunt. Those are witnesses of time and shouldn´t be destroyed by fanatics. Like ISIS smashing antique constructions.

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
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The majority of the Jews were German.

Not true, more Jews lived in Poland, than in other countries in Europe at the time.

Most Jews have recent origins in Poland, most German, Russian, Ukrainian, and American Jews came to these lands from Poland, following the Partitions of Poland.

Category:Jewish surnames - Wikipedia

 

[IsaacNewton]

The Red Army started the Russian Civil War killing 4 - 16 million Russians, another 6 million died in the Volga Famine caused by resources taking from this war.

Ok, but it's internal Russia deals, what's about Poland?

Words are just words. Stalin occupied Poland in 1939 it's a fact. NKVD murdered about 100.000 Poles. The best action to protest against it - remember all this people. By Names. Do you have at least one memorial at Poland, devoted to this people? I didn't hear about it. Instead all of this you have Katyn - a natural fake, abusing your real victims of Stalin's repressions too... WHY? Because Hoebbels ORDERED?

Memorials, you want to destroy - are not for Stalin, not for NKVD, not for any USSR executioner - for a simple Russian soldiers, dead in battle of Poland. At least they free Poland from Osventsim and Nurnberg process, paying own lifes for it - was is bad for Poland????? They are the same people, being in Gulag and so on. And now their memorials is main target for attack. Why? It seems, Poles don't do something independently, only if someone ORDER something...

By your logic Russia, should have Wehrmacht WW2 memorials in Russia, because they weren't the SS.

Let them be on territories, Wehrmacht consider as "liberated". At Ukraine - by the way, they now have memorials both to Wehrmacht and SS.

The same in Baltic countries.

So, you're saying countries should dictate what they do?
Or do you think Putin's Russia should bully countries to get their pro-Soviet way?

My oh my!
Just re-read your words.
You want to countries should not dictate, what to do, to others? Excellent... So, what's the deals for you about pro-Soviet way inside Russia?

You don't want Soviet memorials at your streets? Ok, it's your choice. So, return them to Russia as-is - what's the problem?

Russia doesn't own them.

 

[Sbiker]

Ok, but it's internal Russia deals, what's about Poland?

Words are just words. Stalin occupied Poland in 1939 it's a fact. NKVD murdered about 100.000 Poles. The best action to protest against it - remember all this people. By Names. Do you have at least one memorial at Poland, devoted to this people? I didn't hear about it. Instead all of this you have Katyn - a natural fake, abusing your real victims of Stalin's repressions too... WHY? Because Hoebbels ORDERED?

Memorials, you want to destroy - are not for Stalin, not for NKVD, not for any USSR executioner - for a simple Russian soldiers, dead in battle of Poland. At least they free Poland from Osventsim and Nurnberg process, paying own lifes for it - was is bad for Poland????? They are the same people, being in Gulag and so on. And now their memorials is main target for attack. Why? It seems, Poles don't do something independently, only if someone ORDER something...

By your logic Russia, should have Wehrmacht WW2 memorials in Russia, because they weren't the SS.

Let them be on territories, Wehrmacht consider as "liberated". At Ukraine - by the way, they now have memorials both to Wehrmacht and SS.

The same in Baltic countries.

So, you're saying countries should dictate what they do?
Or do you think Putin's Russia should bully countries to get their pro-Soviet way?

My oh my!
Just re-read your words.
You want to countries should not dictate, what to do, to others? Excellent... So, what's the deals for you about pro-Soviet way inside Russia?

You don't want Soviet memorials at your streets? Ok, it's your choice. So, return them to Russia as-is - what's the problem?

Russia doesn't own them.

So, you intent to cancel property rights in relations of West countries with Russia? Following to your politicians, plundered diplomatic property from Russian Embassy in US? Ok, but when you would seat in prison of USSR 2.0, just remember - it was only YOURS initiative

 

[IsaacNewton]

By your logic Russia, should have Wehrmacht WW2 memorials in Russia, because they weren't the SS.

Let them be on territories, Wehrmacht consider as "liberated". At Ukraine - by the way, they now have memorials both to Wehrmacht and SS.

The same in Baltic countries.

So, you're saying countries should dictate what they do?
Or do you think Putin's Russia should bully countries to get their pro-Soviet way?

My oh my!
Just re-read your words.
You want to countries should not dictate, what to do, to others? Excellent... So, what's the deals for you about pro-Soviet way inside Russia?

You don't want Soviet memorials at your streets? Ok, it's your choice. So, return them to Russia as-is - what's the problem?

Russia doesn't own them.

So, you intent to cancel property rights in relations of West countries with Russia? Following to your politicians, plundered diplomatic property from Russian Embassy in US? Ok, but when you would seat in prison of USSR 2.0, just remember - it was only YOURS initiative

Who said 'Russian Embassy'. No one but you.

We're talking about everything else in Poland. And please who cares about the Soviet Union, they lost and are dead. Russia is small and can't threaten anyone. You talk like one of the alt-right nutjobs in America who like to threaten people here. Nobody is scared and nobody gives a shit. Get together with the alt-right in the US and drink vodka and Jack Daniels until you pass out.

 

[Stratford57]

When I read some of those delusional posts like “F.. Russians!” or “F.. Soviets!”, I think how wise were the Soviets insisting on Nuremberg Tribunal condemning all the war crimes of German Nazis and on strict documenting it. Otherwise I’m sure Western world elites would have already subscribed all those crimes to Soviet Union and Red Army. It has already been done in my failed state of Ukraine: poor children are learning the “history” where German Nazi’s crimes are subscribed to Russians. And Western Media are very silent about that.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda. But… there still exist a lot of historical documents which Russia can use against all that dirt the Western establishment is trying to stick to her.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When I read some of those delusional posts like “F.. Russians!” or “F.. Soviets!”, I think how wise were the Soviets insisting on Nuremberg Tribunal condemning all the war crimes of German Nazis and on strict documenting it. Otherwise I’m sure Western world elites would have already subscribed all those crimes to Soviet Union and Red Army. It has already been done in my failed state of Ukraine: poor children are learning the “history” where German Nazi’s crimes are subscribed to Russians. And Western Media are very silent about that.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda. But… there still exist a lot of historical documents which Russia can use against all that dirt the Western establishment is trying to stick to her.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda.

Did Stalin agree to split Poland with Hitler?

 

[Stratford57]

When I read some of those delusional posts like “F.. Russians!” or “F.. Soviets!”, I think how wise were the Soviets insisting on Nuremberg Tribunal condemning all the war crimes of German Nazis and on strict documenting it. Otherwise I’m sure Western world elites would have already subscribed all those crimes to Soviet Union and Red Army. It has already been done in my failed state of Ukraine: poor children are learning the “history” where German Nazi’s crimes are subscribed to Russians. And Western Media are very silent about that.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda. But… there still exist a lot of historical documents which Russia can use against all that dirt the Western establishment is trying to stick to her.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda.

Did Stalin agree to split Poland with Hitler?

Toddster, It’s not my job to educate you and nobody can educate a person who’s refusing to be educated.

In 1945 after defeat of Nazi Germany as a result of Potsdam conference German Baltic shore and Silesia have been given to Poland and Polish Gallichina has been given to Ukraine (not Russia, Toddster!).

Poland's old and new borders, 1945

BTW, Ukraine, who’s now whining about "being robbed with its territories" in the USSR, has entered the USSR after 1917 revolution without its current Eastern lands, without Gallichina and without Crimea. And in 1991 Ukraine was twice bigger when exiting the USSR: it has annexed all those lands (mostly Russian land) given to Ukrainian republic within the same country of USSR. I wonder, why you are not concerned about that fact, ha, Toddster?

CIS-EMO political analyst of an International Monitoring Organization, Stanislav Byshok:
The truth about Ukraine: Byshok's lecture at Brown University - Fort Russ

If you read this long article by a Polish (!) author, Toddster, you may stop posting your ignorant comments about Ukraine in future. Good luck!

 

[Eloy]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When I read some of those delusional posts like “F.. Russians!” or “F.. Soviets!”, I think how wise were the Soviets insisting on Nuremberg Tribunal condemning all the war crimes of German Nazis and on strict documenting it. Otherwise I’m sure Western world elites would have already subscribed all those crimes to Soviet Union and Red Army. It has already been done in my failed state of Ukraine: poor children are learning the “history” where German Nazi’s crimes are subscribed to Russians. And Western Media are very silent about that.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda. But… there still exist a lot of historical documents which Russia can use against all that dirt the Western establishment is trying to stick to her.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda.

Did Stalin agree to split Poland with Hitler?

Toddster, It’s not my job to educate you and nobody can educate a person who’s refusing to be educated.

In 1945 after defeat of Nazi Germany as a result of Potsdam conference German Baltic shore and Silesia have been given to Poland and Polish Gallichina has been given to Ukraine (not Russia, Toddster!).

View attachment 140857
Poland's old and new borders, 1945

BTW, Ukraine, who’s now whining about "being robbed with its territories" in the USSR, has entered the USSR after 1917 revolution without its current Eastern lands, without Gallichina and without Crimea. And in 1991 Ukraine was twice bigger when exiting the USSR: it has annexed all those lands (mostly Russian land) given to Ukrainian republic within the same country of USSR. I wonder, why you are not concerned about that fact, ha, Toddster?

View attachment 140858


CIS-EMO political analyst of an International Monitoring Organization, Stanislav Byshok:
The truth about Ukraine: Byshok's lecture at Brown University - Fort Russ

If you read this long article by a Polish (!) author, Toddster, you may stop posting your ignorant comments about Ukraine in future. Good luck!

It’s not my job to educate you

Was my question too difficult?

What's wrong? Never learned the truth about WWII?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

When I read some of those delusional posts like “F.. Russians!” or “F.. Soviets!”, I think how wise were the Soviets insisting on Nuremberg Tribunal condemning all the war crimes of German Nazis and on strict documenting it. Otherwise I’m sure Western world elites would have already subscribed all those crimes to Soviet Union and Red Army. It has already been done in my failed state of Ukraine: poor children are learning the “history” where German Nazi’s crimes are subscribed to Russians. And Western Media are very silent about that.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda. But… there still exist a lot of historical documents which Russia can use against all that dirt the Western establishment is trying to stick to her.

Rewriting the history of WW2 is another tool in anti-Russian propaganda.

Did Stalin agree to split Poland with Hitler?

Toddster, It’s not my job to educate you and nobody can educate a person who’s refusing to be educated.

In 1945 after defeat of Nazi Germany as a result of Potsdam conference German Baltic shore and Silesia have been given to Poland and Polish Gallichina has been given to Ukraine (not Russia, Toddster!).

View attachment 140857
Poland's old and new borders, 1945

BTW, Ukraine, who’s now whining about "being robbed with its territories" in the USSR, has entered the USSR after 1917 revolution without its current Eastern lands, without Gallichina and without Crimea. And in 1991 Ukraine was twice bigger when exiting the USSR: it has annexed all those lands (mostly Russian land) given to Ukrainian republic within the same country of USSR. I wonder, why you are not concerned about that fact, ha, Toddster?

View attachment 140858


CIS-EMO political analyst of an International Monitoring Organization, Stanislav Byshok:
The truth about Ukraine: Byshok's lecture at Brown University - Fort Russ

If you read this long article by a Polish (!) author, Toddster, you may stop posting your ignorant comments about Ukraine in future. Good luck!

The core of the Kievan Rus was very close to Ukrainian, rather than Russian.

As a result Ukrainian type people's had been scattered in small bands from Przemsyl to the Don River, and a core which united in Central Ukraine.

 

[Eloy]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Soviets did rid Poland of the Nazis in 1945 and the Polish government did promise to protect and honor memorials to those Soviet troops who were killed in the process. It is dishonorable for the nationalist Polish government now to renege on its word.

The Soviets weren't much better than the Nazis, at the time, and between 1933 - 1938 the Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis.

Nevertheless, it was the Soviet troops who rid Poland of the Nazis. Their dead deserve to be honored.

Was it better to freeze to Death in a Siberian Gulag, or to burn to Death in a Concentration Oven?