Rumsfeld and WTC7

georgephillip

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"When former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was asked about World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7), he claimed that he had never heard of it. This was despite the unprecedented destruction of that 47-story building and its relationship to the events of 9/11 that shaped Rumsfeld’s career..."

"The one major tenant of WTC 7 was Salomon Smith Barney (SSB), the company that occupied 37 of the 47 floors in WTC 7. A little discussed fact is that Rumsfeld was the chairman of the SSB advisory board and Dick Cheney was a board member as well.

"Rumsfeld had served as chairman of the SSB advisory board since its inception in 1999.

"According to the financial disclosures he made in his nomination process, during the same period Rumsfeld had also been a paid consultant to the Director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet.

"Rumsfeld and Cheney had to resign from their CIA and SSB positions in 2001 when they were confirmed as members of George W. Bush’s cabinet."

It may be we'll never find consensus on the Physics of WTC7, but I don't think that implies the level of corruption, deceit, and incompetence of those charged with protecting America on 911 should go without examination.

I'm positive if Al Gore's brother had been governor of Florida in 2000, Gore's Secretary of Defense would have been crucified by 9/12/2001, and rightfully so.

Maybe Rummie's the low-hanging fruit when it comes to picking apart the real 911 Conspiracy?


"Considering all of this, Rumsfeld’s claim that he had never heard of WTC 7 is not believable. It does not reconcile with the facts about the positions he held and those of his colleagues and subordinates.

"It certainly doesn’t reconcile with the fact that Rudy Giuliani gave Rumsfeld a personal tour of Ground Zero just two months after the attacks.

"Surely Rumsfeld noticed the huge pile of still-smoking rubble that was once the building where Giuliani’s 23rd-floor emergency bunker was housed.

"They were photographed standing right across the street from it.

"Rumsfeld was the chairman of the advisory board for a company that occupied nearly the entirety of WTC 7. On 9/11 he led the DOD—another tenant of the building. Explosive disposal units from both the Army and the Navy (DOD entities) were scheduled to meet in WTC 7 on the morning of 9/11, ostensibly to discuss terrorism.

"A DOD-sponsored terrorism exercise was scheduled for that morning in the same area.

"Moreover, Rumsfeld’s long-time business associate Peter Janson ran AMEC Construction, a company hired to clean-up the debris at the WTC complex (after having renovated the exact area where Flight 77 was said to have hit the Pentagon)."

Donald Rumsfeld and the Demolition of WTC 7 Washington's Blog
 
s0n....you are getting better at connecting the dots but you still live in this matrix world of hyper-partisanship crap = ghey.

Governments from Around the World - Including Western, Islamic, Asian and African Nations - ADMIT They Carry Out False Flag Terror Washington's Blog
"A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that – under orders from the chief of the Gestapo – he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that Nazi leader Hermann Goering admitted to setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely blaming the communists for the arson."

What do you think would happen if the next whistleblower in the mold of Snowden or Manning revealed classified material proving complicity on the part of the US Government in the terror attacks of 911?

Governments from Around the World - Including Western, Islamic, Asian and African Nations - ADMIT They Carry Out False Flag Terror Washington's Blog
 
s0n....you are getting better at connecting the dots but you still live in this matrix world of hyper-partisanship crap = ghey.

Governments from Around the World - Including Western, Islamic, Asian and African Nations - ADMIT They Carry Out False Flag Terror Washington's Blog
"A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that – under orders from the chief of the Gestapo – he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that Nazi leader Hermann Goering admitted to setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely blaming the communists for the arson."

What do you think would happen if the next whistleblower in the mold of Snowden or Manning revealed classified material proving complicity on the part of the US Government in the terror attacks of 911?

Governments from Around the World - Including Western, Islamic, Asian and African Nations - ADMIT They Carry Out False Flag Terror Washington's Blog

What if...?
We are living in the Internet age and nearly 13 years after the fact no one has exposed any complicity by US gov't personnel in dastardly attacks on America by your comrades on 9/11/2001. I know you desperately need us to believe it wasn't your peeps, Princess, but you are just wallowing in denial and fooling no one.
 
s0n....you are getting better at connecting the dots but you still live in this matrix world of hyper-partisanship crap = ghey.

Governments from Around the World - Including Western, Islamic, Asian and African Nations - ADMIT They Carry Out False Flag Terror Washington's Blog
"A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that – under orders from the chief of the Gestapo – he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that Nazi leader Hermann Goering admitted to setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely blaming the communists for the arson."

What do you think would happen if the next whistleblower in the mold of Snowden or Manning revealed classified material proving complicity on the part of the US Government in the terror attacks of 911?

Governments from Around the World - Including Western, Islamic, Asian and African Nations - ADMIT They Carry Out False Flag Terror Washington's Blog

What if...?
We are living in the Internet age and nearly 13 years after the fact no one has exposed any complicity by US gov't personnel in dastardly attacks on America by your comrades on 9/11/2001. I know you desperately need us to believe it wasn't your peeps, Princess, but you are just wallowing in denial and fooling no one.
How much of the information on the Internet regarding Rummie's relations with Stratesec are you currently ignorant of?

"In any event, it is clear that covert operatives had access to WTC 7. Through the Secret Service, the DOD, and a secret office of the CIA, the building provided access to many such people.

"Additionally, electronic security for the WTC complex was contracted out to Stratesec, a security company operated by military arms logistician and Iran-Contra suspect, Barry McDaniel.

"Wirt Walker, the son of a CIA employee who was flagged by the SEC for suspected 9/11 insider trading, was McDaniel’s boss at Stratesec."

Donald Rumsfeld and the Demolition of WTC 7 Washington's Blog
 
"A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that – under orders from the chief of the Gestapo – he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that Nazi leader Hermann Goering admitted to setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely blaming the communists for the arson."

What do you think would happen if the next whistleblower in the mold of Snowden or Manning revealed classified material proving complicity on the part of the US Government in the terror attacks of 911?

Governments from Around the World - Including Western, Islamic, Asian and African Nations - ADMIT They Carry Out False Flag Terror Washington's Blog

What if...?
We are living in the Internet age and nearly 13 years after the fact no one has exposed any complicity by US gov't personnel in dastardly attacks on America by your comrades on 9/11/2001. I know you desperately need us to believe it wasn't your peeps, Princess, but you are just wallowing in denial and fooling no one.
How much of the information on the Internet regarding Rummie's relations with Stratesec are you currently ignorant of?

"In any event, it is clear that covert operatives had access to WTC 7. Through the Secret Service, the DOD, and a secret office of the CIA, the building provided access to many such people.

"Additionally, electronic security for the WTC complex was contracted out to Stratesec, a security company operated by military arms logistician and Iran-Contra suspect, Barry McDaniel.

"Wirt Walker, the son of a CIA employee who was flagged by the SEC for suspected 9/11 insider trading, was McDaniel’s boss at Stratesec."

Donald Rumsfeld and the Demolition of WTC 7 Washington's Blog

A WordPress Blogger?! Well to hell with the FDNY....what could they possibly know compared to an internet blogger
 
What if...?
We are living in the Internet age and nearly 13 years after the fact no one has exposed any complicity by US gov't personnel in dastardly attacks on America by your comrades on 9/11/2001. I know you desperately need us to believe it wasn't your peeps, Princess, but you are just wallowing in denial and fooling no one.
How much of the information on the Internet regarding Rummie's relations with Stratesec are you currently ignorant of?

"In any event, it is clear that covert operatives had access to WTC 7. Through the Secret Service, the DOD, and a secret office of the CIA, the building provided access to many such people.

"Additionally, electronic security for the WTC complex was contracted out to Stratesec, a security company operated by military arms logistician and Iran-Contra suspect, Barry McDaniel.

"Wirt Walker, the son of a CIA employee who was flagged by the SEC for suspected 9/11 insider trading, was McDaniel’s boss at Stratesec."

Donald Rumsfeld and the Demolition of WTC 7 Washington's Blog

A WordPress Blogger?! Well to hell with the FDNY....what could they possibly know compared to an internet blogger
What does FDNY know about SSB?
 
What does FDNY know about SSB?

What does your blogger? You do realize that the ability to type an accusation doesn't actually make it true....right?

And why would I ignore the FDNY and their accurate prediction that the WTC 7 would collapse due to fire and structural damage hours before the building fell......and instead believe your blogger?

Was your blogger there, as the FDNY was? Did he have direct access to the site? Did he place a transit on the building and measure its buckling, its bulging, its leaning over hours....as the FDNY did?

Of course not. Yet you ignore them just the same, as the FDNY doesn't say what you want to believe. While this random blogger does. Even when the FDNY is clearly the superior source on the matter, having better access, more experience, and the ability to test thier assessments in real time on the actual building.

....rather than watching a youtube video 13 years after the fact and pretending you know better.
 
What does FDNY know about SSB?

What does your blogger? You do realize that the ability to type an accusation doesn't actually make it true....right?

And why would I ignore the FDNY and their accurate prediction that the WTC 7 would collapse due to fire and structural damage hours before the building fell......and instead believe your blogger?

Was your blogger there, as the FDNY was? Did he have direct access to the site? Did he place a transit on the building and measure its buckling, its bulging, its leaning over hours....as the FDNY did?

Of course not. Yet you ignore them just the same, as the FDNY doesn't say what you want to believe. While this random blogger does. Even when the FDNY is clearly the superior source on the matter, having better access, more experience, and the ability to test thier assessments in real time on the actual building.

....rather than watching a youtube video 13 years after the fact and pretending you know better.
Why don't you link to your FDNY allegation unless you're just another anonymous internet troll?

Why should I believe any claim you've made?
 
Why don't you link to your FDNY allegation unless you're just another anonymous internet troll?

'Allegations'? I think the word you're looking for is 'eye witness accounts'.

And I'll gladly provide you with direct quotes galore......if you answer me one question:

Are you going to ignore the FDNY like you have all the other contradictory evidence that refutes your conspiracy? It a waste of your time and mine to provide you with links and quotes that you're already commited to ignoring.

And finally, what does your blogger know about *anything* he's alleging? At this point, you refuse to even mention that poor soul. I take it his qualifications aren't the best.
 
Why don't you link to your FDNY allegation unless you're just another anonymous internet troll?

'Allegations'? I think the word you're looking for is 'eye witness accounts'.

And I'll gladly provide you with direct quotes galore......if you answer me one question:

Are you going to ignore the FDNY like you have all the other contradictory evidence that refutes your conspiracy? It a waste of your time and mine to provide you with links and quotes that you're already commited to ignoring.

And finally, what does your blogger know about *anything* he's alleging? At this point, you refuse to even mention that poor soul. I take it his qualifications aren't the best.
At least as good as yours, which are also unmentioned.
 
Shh. Can't have those pesky facts messing up their day Sayit.

facts from agent sayit-aka dawgshit troll?? :lol: as in the governments version that ignore the laws of physics,experts in their fields what they say ,and witness testimonys and facts of these high credible people who dont accept the lies that bullshit troll? nice try fellow paid troll.:lol:

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: when he has a FACT,let us know,so far this is all he has.:bsflag:
 
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Shh. Can't have those pesky facts messing up their day Sayit.

facts from agent sayit-aka dawgshit troll?? :lol: as in the governments version that ignore the laws of physics,experts in their fields what they say ,and witness testimonys and facts of these high credible people who dont accept the lies that bullshit troll? nice try fellow paid troll.:lol:

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: when he has a FACT,let us know,so far this is all he has.:bsflag:
"Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology.

"Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University. Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter.

"U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). 24-year Air Force career.
Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

"They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official 'investigations' have really been cover-up operations.

"Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response."

It's going to be a slow process to convince the millions of Americans who have never seen a video of WTC7's collapse or those who have forgotten everything they watched on 911 to accept the gut-wrenching conclusion that elements of their government facilitated the terror attacks of that day.

The low hanging fruit is the corruption that the conspirators could not help themselves from taking advantage of in the form of insider stock trading and other related pursuits.

Rummy may be the lowest of the low hanging fruit in that regard, and Dick "the Draft Dodger" isn't far above him.

Americans are going to be angry enough at the crime itself that happened on 911, but they will have to see the greed that accompanied that crime before becoming mad enough to demand action

Then what happens?


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
 
facts from agent sayit-aka dawgshit troll?? as in the governments version that ignore the laws of physics,experts in their fields what they say ,and witness testimonys and facts of these high credible people who dont accept the lies that bullshit troll? nice try fellow paid troll.

Witness testimony like the FDNY, who came to the conclusion that the WTC 7 was going to collapse due to fire and structural damage? With the FDNY placing a transit on the WTC 7 and measuring its buckling, its leaning, its bulging......over hours?

And their accurate prediction of collapse of WTC 7 due to fire and structural damage? They predicted within a few hours of 2 Pm. The building fell early that evening. The FDNY clearly knew what they were talking about. Yet you ignore them completely. Anything that the FDNY has to say on the topic that contradicts your conspiracy, you pretend was never uttered.

That's irrational.

Or witnesses who didn't report any of the massive explosions that accompany *actual* controlled demolition? No explosions, no explosives. Its that simple.

Or the Port Authority Bomb Squad, men and women trained to find the *very* bombs you claim riddled the WTC 7 like fat through a juicy roast, who went through the entire WTC plaza with bomb sniffing dogs.....and found nothing only a week before 911. How do you deal with this theory killing blunder in your conspiracy? You ignore it.

How about the complete lack of any girders cut in a manner consistent with controlled demolition. Not one girder, not anywhere. And your theory requires tends of thousands of such cuts across the WTC plaza and thousands in WTC 7. Yet nothing.

How about the complete lack of any explosives or apparatus of explosives ever found by anyone. Not one inch of blasting wire, not one foot of det cord, not one charge, not one transmitter or receiver, not one timer. Absolutely nothing. These buildings weren't museums. They were used daily, maintained daily, cleaned, remodeled, inspected. Hell, they were even *searched* for bombs.

Yet absolutely nothing. How do you deal with this? You close your eyes, stop up your ears and scream LA! LA! LA!.....refusing to acknowledge the fact or discuss it. But why would a rational person, interested in the truth ignore what you're ignoring? And it only gets worse:

There was no residue of explosives in the dust samples. This was an analysis so precise that it detected medication from the WTC pharmacy. Yet despite your theory requiring tens of thousands of explosive charges on 911, no residue was ever detected in the dust sample.

How do you explain this. Again, you delude yourselves into thinking that if you ignore it, it ceases to exist. If only reality worked that way. And yet it *still* gets worse.

The building was on fire. 'Massive fires' as described by the FDNY....who are kind of experts on that kind of thing. There's no system of explosive demolition that can handle being *on fire*. Even the most chemically stable plastic explosive would have melted. Traditional charges would have exploded. Detonators detonated, any wiring, transmitters or timers reduced to bubbling pools of plastic. No building in the history of our planet has been explosively demolithed in the manner described by truthers....while on fire.

Ever. And you ignore conspiracy shattering hole in your theory as well. No rational person ever would.

C"mon guys....your argument at this point is desperate, willful ignorance. When theory killing holes are blown through your conspiracy ......you just close your eyes and pretend that none of them exist. Any one of these holes in your claims renders your conspiracy debunked. All of them render it silly.

And you can't resolve any of them. You're so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole you refuse to even *discuss* them in any way.

And here's the bizarre part: you won't question your own conspiracy. Even when its obtusely, obviously impossible, even when the evidence explicitly contradicts it, you continue to cling to it with an almost child like faith. Here's the part you don't seem to get:

Just because you ignore that your theory doesn't work doesn't mean that the rest of us are obligated to pretend with you. This is why the truther conspiracy just isn't compelling, why it remains a social oddity, like the flat earthers and those who think we faked the moon landings. Your theories don't work, they are riddled with theory killing holes, they laughably fail the test of Occam's Razor, and they're just an awful explanation for the events of 911.

Ignore as you will. The rest of us don't. Which is why your conspiracy failed.
 
It's going to be a slow process to convince the millions of Americans who have never seen a video of WTC7's collapse or those who have forgotten everything they watched on 911 to accept the gut-wrenching conclusion that elements of their government facilitated the terror attacks of that day.

Its going to be much harder to convince 'millions of Americans' of anything....when you keep ignoring all the consnpiracy shattering holes in your theory...for two reasons:

First, it destroys your truther conspiracy. Your explanation is physically impossible. Silent controlled demolition? That can't happen. Bombs that work while on fire? Bombs that don't cut any girder, leave no residue, and are invisible.....and can trick the Port Authority Bomb squad, their bomb sniffing dogs, AND the FDNY?

Um, no.

Your explanation just sucks. Its awkward, overly complicated, inconsistent with the evidence, factually baseless and fantastically elaborate. In short, its an awful explanation.

And the second reason you'll have difficulty convincing people of your silly conspiracy while actively ignoring all the myriad of ways your conspiracy fails.....is that you demonstrate, undeniably, that you don't care about the truth. You're not actually looking for it, as you won't ask questions of your own claims.

You're just pushing your story, no matter what. And that kind of irrationality isn't particularly compelling to rational people. Which is why the truther conspiracy failed to gain traction. And continues to fail.
 

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