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I have been reading about the case of politician Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma. You may remember him from about a year ago.He was caught by Police in a motel room with a 17 year old boy that he was paying for sex.

I remember laughing about it because Shortey was a standrard family values hypocrite. Wife and 4 kids and all that, big supporter of Trump as well.

Anyway i forgot about the story until today when an article outlined what happened to him.

On September 5, 2017, a federal grand jury indicted Shortey on four federal sex trafficking and child pornography charges, involving both the March incident and videos that Shortey is accused of distributing from his smartphone in 2012 and 2013. Shortey pleaded not guilty to these charges.[24] After the federal charges were announced, the Cleveland County district attorney dropped the state charges.[25] A federal jury trial had been scheduled for December 2017. On November 19, 2017, Shortey reached an agreement to plead guilty on November 30 to one count of child sex trafficking; the prosecutor agreed to have the child pornography counts removed.[26] Shortey was jailed immediately after pleading guilty on November 30 and faced a sentence of at least 10 years in prison, with Judge Timothy D. DeGiusti to decide in 2018.[26][27] In early December 2017, police released their video of Shortey's arrest at a motel where he was found with a 17-year-old male prostitute.[28] In June 2018, prosecutors revealed in a sentencing memorandum that Shortey had sex twice with the victim in the year before they were found together at the hotel. Prosecutors also informed the judge that they would seek full restitution from Shortey for the victim's losses, including the cost of any care. Shortey's lawyer said it would not yet be appropriate to comment.[6]

Jailed since his guilty plea, Shortey was sentenced in Oklahoma City federal court on September 17, 2018, to a total of 15 years in prison, and 10 years of supervised release.[29][30]In sentencing testimony, Shortey apologized to his family, fellow Christians, and his constituents.[31] His attorney, who said the sentence was fair, has requested that Shortey serve it at a facility in Texas with a sex offender rehab program; the Bureau of Prisons will decide the location.[2][31] U.S. District Judge DeGiusti is to impose a fine on Shortey of up to $250,000 at a later date.[32]


So this fellow has picked up 15 years followed by 10 years supervision and a £250k fine. Why dont they just shoot him and be done with it ?

He is obviously not a model citizen, or a good husband, he is a hypocrite and worse. But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

It seems draconian to me. Disproportionate.

More here.
Former Republican state senator pleads guilty to child sex trafficking, faces life in prison

Ralph Shortey - Wikipedia
 
I have been reading about the case of politician Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma. You may remember him from about a year ago.He was caught by Police in a motel room with a 17 year old boy that he was paying for sex.

I remember laughing about it because Shortey was a standrard family values hypocrite. Wife and 4 kids and all that, big supporter of Trump as well.

Anyway i forgot about the story until today when an article outlined what happened to him.

On September 5, 2017, a federal grand jury indicted Shortey on four federal sex trafficking and child pornography charges, involving both the March incident and videos that Shortey is accused of distributing from his smartphone in 2012 and 2013. Shortey pleaded not guilty to these charges.[24] After the federal charges were announced, the Cleveland County district attorney dropped the state charges.[25] A federal jury trial had been scheduled for December 2017. On November 19, 2017, Shortey reached an agreement to plead guilty on November 30 to one count of child sex trafficking; the prosecutor agreed to have the child pornography counts removed.[26] Shortey was jailed immediately after pleading guilty on November 30 and faced a sentence of at least 10 years in prison, with Judge Timothy D. DeGiusti to decide in 2018.[26][27] In early December 2017, police released their video of Shortey's arrest at a motel where he was found with a 17-year-old male prostitute.[28] In June 2018, prosecutors revealed in a sentencing memorandum that Shortey had sex twice with the victim in the year before they were found together at the hotel. Prosecutors also informed the judge that they would seek full restitution from Shortey for the victim's losses, including the cost of any care. Shortey's lawyer said it would not yet be appropriate to comment.[6]

Jailed since his guilty plea, Shortey was sentenced in Oklahoma City federal court on September 17, 2018, to a total of 15 years in prison, and 10 years of supervised release.[29][30]In sentencing testimony, Shortey apologized to his family, fellow Christians, and his constituents.[31] His attorney, who said the sentence was fair, has requested that Shortey serve it at a facility in Texas with a sex offender rehab program; the Bureau of Prisons will decide the location.[2][31] U.S. District Judge DeGiusti is to impose a fine on Shortey of up to $250,000 at a later date.[32]


So this fellow has picked up 15 years followed by 10 years supervision and a £250k fine. Why dont they just shoot him and be done with it ?

He is obviously not a model citizen, or a good husband, he is a hypocrite and worse. But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

It seems draconian to me. Disproportionate.

More here.
Former Republican state senator pleads guilty to child sex trafficking, faces life in prison

Ralph Shortey - Wikipedia

But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

age of consent is 18
 
I have been reading about the case of politician Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma. You may remember him from about a year ago.He was caught by Police in a motel room with a 17 year old boy that he was paying for sex.

I remember laughing about it because Shortey was a standrard family values hypocrite. Wife and 4 kids and all that, big supporter of Trump as well.

Anyway i forgot about the story until today when an article outlined what happened to him.

On September 5, 2017, a federal grand jury indicted Shortey on four federal sex trafficking and child pornography charges, involving both the March incident and videos that Shortey is accused of distributing from his smartphone in 2012 and 2013. Shortey pleaded not guilty to these charges.[24] After the federal charges were announced, the Cleveland County district attorney dropped the state charges.[25] A federal jury trial had been scheduled for December 2017. On November 19, 2017, Shortey reached an agreement to plead guilty on November 30 to one count of child sex trafficking; the prosecutor agreed to have the child pornography counts removed.[26] Shortey was jailed immediately after pleading guilty on November 30 and faced a sentence of at least 10 years in prison, with Judge Timothy D. DeGiusti to decide in 2018.[26][27] In early December 2017, police released their video of Shortey's arrest at a motel where he was found with a 17-year-old male prostitute.[28] In June 2018, prosecutors revealed in a sentencing memorandum that Shortey had sex twice with the victim in the year before they were found together at the hotel. Prosecutors also informed the judge that they would seek full restitution from Shortey for the victim's losses, including the cost of any care. Shortey's lawyer said it would not yet be appropriate to comment.[6]

Jailed since his guilty plea, Shortey was sentenced in Oklahoma City federal court on September 17, 2018, to a total of 15 years in prison, and 10 years of supervised release.[29][30]In sentencing testimony, Shortey apologized to his family, fellow Christians, and his constituents.[31] His attorney, who said the sentence was fair, has requested that Shortey serve it at a facility in Texas with a sex offender rehab program; the Bureau of Prisons will decide the location.[2][31] U.S. District Judge DeGiusti is to impose a fine on Shortey of up to $250,000 at a later date.[32]


So this fellow has picked up 15 years followed by 10 years supervision and a £250k fine. Why dont they just shoot him and be done with it ?

He is obviously not a model citizen, or a good husband, he is a hypocrite and worse. But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

It seems draconian to me. Disproportionate.

More here.
Former Republican state senator pleads guilty to child sex trafficking, faces life in prison

Ralph Shortey - Wikipedia

But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

age of consent is 18

Wrong. In OK, the age of consent is 16, but the law is kinda flexible there as well. You might wanna look things up, because the age of consent varies from state to state.

Legal Age of Consent in Oklahoma in 2018 | Statutory Rape Laws

In Oklahoma, the age of consent is 16, and the law recognizes an age differential of two years. This means that no person can be convicted of rape or rape by instrumentation with anyone over the age of 14, with that person’s consent, unless the defendant was older than 18 at the time the sexual act occurred. Though statutory rape is a strict liability crime which does not require the prosecutor to prove that an assault occurred, it is still classified as rape under the Oklahoma penal code.
 
I have been reading about the case of politician Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma. You may remember him from about a year ago.He was caught by Police in a motel room with a 17 year old boy that he was paying for sex.

I remember laughing about it because Shortey was a standrard family values hypocrite. Wife and 4 kids and all that, big supporter of Trump as well.

Anyway i forgot about the story until today when an article outlined what happened to him.

On September 5, 2017, a federal grand jury indicted Shortey on four federal sex trafficking and child pornography charges, involving both the March incident and videos that Shortey is accused of distributing from his smartphone in 2012 and 2013. Shortey pleaded not guilty to these charges.[24] After the federal charges were announced, the Cleveland County district attorney dropped the state charges.[25] A federal jury trial had been scheduled for December 2017. On November 19, 2017, Shortey reached an agreement to plead guilty on November 30 to one count of child sex trafficking; the prosecutor agreed to have the child pornography counts removed.[26] Shortey was jailed immediately after pleading guilty on November 30 and faced a sentence of at least 10 years in prison, with Judge Timothy D. DeGiusti to decide in 2018.[26][27] In early December 2017, police released their video of Shortey's arrest at a motel where he was found with a 17-year-old male prostitute.[28] In June 2018, prosecutors revealed in a sentencing memorandum that Shortey had sex twice with the victim in the year before they were found together at the hotel. Prosecutors also informed the judge that they would seek full restitution from Shortey for the victim's losses, including the cost of any care. Shortey's lawyer said it would not yet be appropriate to comment.[6]

Jailed since his guilty plea, Shortey was sentenced in Oklahoma City federal court on September 17, 2018, to a total of 15 years in prison, and 10 years of supervised release.[29][30]In sentencing testimony, Shortey apologized to his family, fellow Christians, and his constituents.[31] His attorney, who said the sentence was fair, has requested that Shortey serve it at a facility in Texas with a sex offender rehab program; the Bureau of Prisons will decide the location.[2][31] U.S. District Judge DeGiusti is to impose a fine on Shortey of up to $250,000 at a later date.[32]


So this fellow has picked up 15 years followed by 10 years supervision and a £250k fine. Why dont they just shoot him and be done with it ?

He is obviously not a model citizen, or a good husband, he is a hypocrite and worse. But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

It seems draconian to me. Disproportionate.

More here.
Former Republican state senator pleads guilty to child sex trafficking, faces life in prison

Ralph Shortey - Wikipedia

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I have been reading about the case of politician Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma. You may remember him from about a year ago.He was caught by Police in a motel room with a 17 year old boy that he was paying for sex.

I remember laughing about it because Shortey was a standrard family values hypocrite. Wife and 4 kids and all that, big supporter of Trump as well.

Anyway i forgot about the story until today when an article outlined what happened to him.

On September 5, 2017, a federal grand jury indicted Shortey on four federal sex trafficking and child pornography charges, involving both the March incident and videos that Shortey is accused of distributing from his smartphone in 2012 and 2013. Shortey pleaded not guilty to these charges.[24] After the federal charges were announced, the Cleveland County district attorney dropped the state charges.[25] A federal jury trial had been scheduled for December 2017. On November 19, 2017, Shortey reached an agreement to plead guilty on November 30 to one count of child sex trafficking; the prosecutor agreed to have the child pornography counts removed.[26] Shortey was jailed immediately after pleading guilty on November 30 and faced a sentence of at least 10 years in prison, with Judge Timothy D. DeGiusti to decide in 2018.[26][27] In early December 2017, police released their video of Shortey's arrest at a motel where he was found with a 17-year-old male prostitute.[28] In June 2018, prosecutors revealed in a sentencing memorandum that Shortey had sex twice with the victim in the year before they were found together at the hotel. Prosecutors also informed the judge that they would seek full restitution from Shortey for the victim's losses, including the cost of any care. Shortey's lawyer said it would not yet be appropriate to comment.[6]

Jailed since his guilty plea, Shortey was sentenced in Oklahoma City federal court on September 17, 2018, to a total of 15 years in prison, and 10 years of supervised release.[29][30]In sentencing testimony, Shortey apologized to his family, fellow Christians, and his constituents.[31] His attorney, who said the sentence was fair, has requested that Shortey serve it at a facility in Texas with a sex offender rehab program; the Bureau of Prisons will decide the location.[2][31] U.S. District Judge DeGiusti is to impose a fine on Shortey of up to $250,000 at a later date.[32]


So this fellow has picked up 15 years followed by 10 years supervision and a £250k fine. Why dont they just shoot him and be done with it ?

He is obviously not a model citizen, or a good husband, he is a hypocrite and worse. But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

It seems draconian to me. Disproportionate.

More here.
Former Republican state senator pleads guilty to child sex trafficking, faces life in prison

Ralph Shortey - Wikipedia

But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

age of consent is 18

Wrong. In OK, the age of consent is 16, but the law is kinda flexible there as well. You might wanna look things up, because the age of consent varies from state to state.

Legal Age of Consent in Oklahoma in 2018 | Statutory Rape Laws

In Oklahoma, the age of consent is 16, and the law recognizes an age differential of two years. This means that no person can be convicted of rape or rape by instrumentation with anyone over the age of 14, with that person’s consent, unless the defendant was older than 18 at the time the sexual act occurred. Though statutory rape is a strict liability crime which does not require the prosecutor to prove that an assault occurred, it is still classified as rape under the Oklahoma penal code.
Its 16 over here as well. The young lad was selling his services and was not a "victim". Although I shake my head wondering about how he got there.
 
I have been reading about the case of politician Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma. You may remember him from about a year ago.He was caught by Police in a motel room with a 17 year old boy that he was paying for sex.

I remember laughing about it because Shortey was a standrard family values hypocrite. Wife and 4 kids and all that, big supporter of Trump as well.

Anyway i forgot about the story until today when an article outlined what happened to him.

On September 5, 2017, a federal grand jury indicted Shortey on four federal sex trafficking and child pornography charges, involving both the March incident and videos that Shortey is accused of distributing from his smartphone in 2012 and 2013. Shortey pleaded not guilty to these charges.[24] After the federal charges were announced, the Cleveland County district attorney dropped the state charges.[25] A federal jury trial had been scheduled for December 2017. On November 19, 2017, Shortey reached an agreement to plead guilty on November 30 to one count of child sex trafficking; the prosecutor agreed to have the child pornography counts removed.[26] Shortey was jailed immediately after pleading guilty on November 30 and faced a sentence of at least 10 years in prison, with Judge Timothy D. DeGiusti to decide in 2018.[26][27] In early December 2017, police released their video of Shortey's arrest at a motel where he was found with a 17-year-old male prostitute.[28] In June 2018, prosecutors revealed in a sentencing memorandum that Shortey had sex twice with the victim in the year before they were found together at the hotel. Prosecutors also informed the judge that they would seek full restitution from Shortey for the victim's losses, including the cost of any care. Shortey's lawyer said it would not yet be appropriate to comment.[6]

Jailed since his guilty plea, Shortey was sentenced in Oklahoma City federal court on September 17, 2018, to a total of 15 years in prison, and 10 years of supervised release.[29][30]In sentencing testimony, Shortey apologized to his family, fellow Christians, and his constituents.[31] His attorney, who said the sentence was fair, has requested that Shortey serve it at a facility in Texas with a sex offender rehab program; the Bureau of Prisons will decide the location.[2][31] U.S. District Judge DeGiusti is to impose a fine on Shortey of up to $250,000 at a later date.[32]


So this fellow has picked up 15 years followed by 10 years supervision and a £250k fine. Why dont they just shoot him and be done with it ?

He is obviously not a model citizen, or a good husband, he is a hypocrite and worse. But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

It seems draconian to me. Disproportionate.

More here.
Former Republican state senator pleads guilty to child sex trafficking, faces life in prison

Ralph Shortey - Wikipedia

But his life is over for screwing a 17 year old boy who is above the age of consent.

age of consent is 18

Wrong. In OK, the age of consent is 16, but the law is kinda flexible there as well. You might wanna look things up, because the age of consent varies from state to state.

Legal Age of Consent in Oklahoma in 2018 | Statutory Rape Laws

In Oklahoma, the age of consent is 16, and the law recognizes an age differential of two years. This means that no person can be convicted of rape or rape by instrumentation with anyone over the age of 14, with that person’s consent, unless the defendant was older than 18 at the time the sexual act occurred. Though statutory rape is a strict liability crime which does not require the prosecutor to prove that an assault occurred, it is still classified as rape under the Oklahoma penal code.
Its 16 over here as well. The young lad was selling his services and was not a "victim". Although I shake my head wondering about how he got there.

I don't think that Will read your post completely. If so, he wouldn't have brought up age of consent, because the only 2 things this person was charged with was sex trafficking and child porn because he was under 18, but there were no charges for statutory rape.
 
My post

age of consent is 18

you reply:
and child porn because he was under 18,

Again, because the legal age of consent is 16 in OK, there were no statutory rape charges, which would have been brought if he had been under the age of legal consent. The charge for child porn is ANYTIME someone under the age of 18 is photographed or videoed having sex. Some 16 and 17 year olds have been charged with child porn for sending explicit selfies to friends.

Child Pornography and Selfies: What You Need to Know - FindLaw

Application of Child Pornography Laws to Selfies

If an adult takes a sexually explicit picture of a minor and shares it via social media or text message, that adult will likely have run afoul of child pornography laws. But what about a minor who takes selfies and sends them discreetly to another teen? What if the receiver then forwards the photos to others? Have they violated any laws? In many states, the answer is yes.


Though their laws were created to protect minors from exploitation caused by others, states are prosecuting minors under child pornography statutes for sending nude or otherwise lurid self-portraits, even when the minors sent the selfies without coercion. The common quirk in the laws is that there is no exception for taking or distributing sexually explicit pictures of oneself. Thus, a high school student sending a racy seflie to a boyfriend or girlfriend could subject both themselves and the receiver to prosecution for child pornography. If the picture makes its way around other social circles through online or direct sharing, anyone who received or distributed the photo could also find themselves open to charges.
 

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