Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan

[PoliticalChic]

And now for the education that government schooling skipped.

Franklin Roosevelt rejected the Constitution, accepted communism and revered the collective...the true American President, Ronald Reagan, venerated the Constitution, stood for the individual and despised Communism.


1. It was under Franklin Roosevelt that America underwent a sea change, ending the guidance of the Founders, the Constitution, and the emphasis on capitalism in favor of socialism.
It behooves those who wish to understand what happened to analyze what happened....and why.



What Did He Know, and When Did He Know It?

It was through Franklin Roosevelt's tireless efforts that communism found a home in the United States. They don't teach that in government school.
Did FDR know he was providing a red carpet for communism, pun intended, or was he ignorant of the malevolence he was endorsing?



3.Just the other day, I watched journalists asking a Republican presidential contender specific and detailed questions about geo-politics...trying to see what he knew, and how good he would be at applying same to predicting future situations.
Apply same to FDR: was Roosevelt aware of the homicidal pathology of communism, and if so, shouldn't he have put off recognition of the Soviet empire until he perceived a change in those policies?


Let's see FDR's geopolitical education:
Here is his timeline of political education..

Nov 8, 1910 Franklin Roosevelt is elected to the New York State Senate.

In 1913, Franklin Roosevelt was appointed Assistant Secretary of the Navy under President Woodrow Wilson.

1920 Franklin Roosevelt ran as the Democratic candidate for Vice-President, alongside James M. Cox. The ticket is defeated by Republicans Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge.

Nov 6, 1928 Franklin Roosevelt is elected governor of New York.

Following the very last brokered election that produced a winning candidate, Nov 8, 1932 Franklin Roosevelt defeated Herbert Hoover to become the 32nd President of the United States, receiving 57.4% of the popular vote.

On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov.



So....here was a professional politician who spent a quarter century learning his craft, before he embraced the Soviet Union in what any astute observer of the world scene knew was a fraudulent agreement.

He had that quarter century to consider, refine, and make judgments about the world, about right and wrong, good and evil.....
It was his considered opinion that all previous Presidents and Secretaries of State were wrong in refusing to embrace the blood-drenched Bolsheviks.


What Did He Know, and When Did He Know It?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Read FDR's Folly, he was an asshole

 

[Pete7469]

Obozo is the UnWashington.

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Au contraire, he gave Unka Joe everything he wanted, and helped build the Iron Curtain.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Read FDR's Folly, he was an asshole

And this:

"New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America"
by Burton W. Folsom Jr.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

...On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov.



So....here was a professional politician who spent a quarter century learning his craft, before he embraced the Soviet Union in what any astute observer of the world scene knew was a fraudulent agreement.

He had that quarter century to consider, refine, and make judgments about the world, about right and wrong, good and evil.....
It was his considered opinion that all previous Presidents and Secretaries of State were wrong in refusing to embrace the blood-drenched Bolsheviks.

Ah, another reason why FDR is evil, he recognized the Sovjet Union....

Funny, you think the British are evil too for recognizing the US as an independent state?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

I understand your undying devotion to the myth....indoctrination has a certain indelibility.

And this explains why you

a. can find nothing in the OP to disagree with.

and

b. will be unable to find anything in the rest of the thread what you can handle with any more than the usual Liberal "is not, is nootttttttt!" whine.

 

[PoliticalChic]

...On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov.



So....here was a professional politician who spent a quarter century learning his craft, before he embraced the Soviet Union in what any astute observer of the world scene knew was a fraudulent agreement.

He had that quarter century to consider, refine, and make judgments about the world, about right and wrong, good and evil.....
It was his considered opinion that all previous Presidents and Secretaries of State were wrong in refusing to embrace the blood-drenched Bolsheviks.

Ah, another reason why FDR is evil, he recognized the Sovjet Union....

Funny, you think the British are evil too for recognizing the US as an independent state?

And, of course, post #8 applies doubly to you.


Why is it that you Liberals/socialists can never author a substantive post?


Could be this?
"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Coulter

 

[rightwinger]

How Reagan brought down a wall

How FDR brought down a wall

The difference between a "good" president and a GREAT president

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Why is it that you Liberals/socialists can never author a substantive post?


Could be this?
"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Coulter

You complain about lack of substance and then you quote Ann Coulter......

Too bad you conservative cultists don't do irony

 

[rightwinger]

How Reagan fought WWII

How FDR fought WWII

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is it that you Liberals/socialists can never author a substantive post?


Could be this?
"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Coulter

You complain about lack of substance and then you quote Ann Coulter......

Too bad you conservative cultists don't do irony

For context....which of Queen Ann's dozen best sellers have you read?

If none....the term 'irony' may creep back to bite you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How Reagan fought WWII

How FDR fought WWII

WWII brought Roosevelt to his knees.....ideologically.

As he was a failure as a businessman, he hated those who were successful...and made that well known.

But the winds of war caused Roosevelt to come begging to private industry to pull his bacon out of the fire.


1. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940





Now....see how it's done? My posts actually show education and knowledge.....unlike you Liberals who show nothing but mind-numbed devotion to demagogues.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Shall I wait for your response to the perfectly constructed and documented post #14....of shall I go on with a long and fulfilling life?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did FDR know of the deceitful, homicidal nature of communism?

On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union.


4.Yes, he knew.
Eight months prior to FDR's recognition of the Soviet empire, journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine:
"In the train aCommunistdenied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it."
Gareth Jones journalist - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


b. Malcolm Muggeridge "was the first writer to reveal the true nature of Stalin's regime when in 1933 he exposed the terror famine in the Ukraine."
Amazon.com Time and Eternity The Uncollected Writings of Malcolm Muggeridge 9781570759055 Malcolm Muggeridge Nicholas Flynn Books


c. So FDR knew of the Terror Famine...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet he enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.

OK....so Roosevelt knew the nature of the other side when he offered the partnership....entry into the accepted world community.
There can be no doubt that Roosevelt knew.




"Bully Pulpit" an important public position that allows a person to express beliefs and opinions to many people Definition of BULLY PULPIT

Note carefully how FDR used the 'Bully Pulpit."...it wasn't to expound American values, as the great man, Reagan did......was it.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

For context....which of Queen Ann's dozen best sellers have you read?

If none....the term 'irony' may creep back to bite you.

As a socialist I'm not in the habit of sponsoring book sales of right wing hatemongers. I believe I already told you that. But I've seen enough of her quotes to be familiar with her way of "reasoning".

Besides that, you still haven't answered my question. If it was evil of FDR to recognize the Sovjet Union, were the British also evil when they recognized the US?

 

[rightwinger]

How Reagan fought WWII

How FDR fought WWII

WWII brought Roosevelt to his knees.....ideologically.

As he was a failure as a businessman, he hated those who were successful...and made that well known.

But the winds of war caused Roosevelt to come begging to private industry to pull his bacon out of the fire.


1. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940





Now....see how it's done? My posts actually show education and knowledge.....unlike you Liberals who show nothing but mind-numbed devotion to demagogues.

Give up yet?

My cut and pastes are kicking the shit out of your cut and pastes

<hint: I don't read the crap you post and neither does anyone else....want more pictures?>

 

[Camp]

Shall I wait for your response to the perfectly constructed and documented post #14....of shall I go on with a long and fulfilling life?

You fail due to not understanding the reasons for holding and folding, which FDR understood. He spent the mid and late 1930's motivating and funding small programs that allowed the MIC to develope new and modern aircraft and ships, including a new class of aircraft carrier. By 1940 the private industry was ready to begin producing the weapons that would win the coming war.
Producing weapons that were already obsolete would have been very studpid.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

How Reagan brought down a wall

How FDR brought down a wall

The difference between a "good" president and a GREAT president

FDR fortunately had the smarts to permit the military to prosecute the war, unlike the current idiot.