Ronald Reagan - Prophet

[Bfgrn]

"Yea CandySlice, it was labeled the War on Poverty, but the real name of the agency created was called: the Office of Economic Opportunity. The core principles were opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment.

But right wing turds never supported it, instead they tried to portray it as a handout program. It was based on what should be conservative core values...the problem...conservative have no core values, except hatred and fear off the poor and Monica Lewinsky worship of an opulent hierarchy."

NO conservative EVER opposed the core principles of opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment.

They just opposed the misbegotten idea of EQUAL OUTCOME.

BTW, only liberals/Democrats worship Monica Lewinsky, because they are envious of her and would like to do to Obama what Lewinsky did to Clinton.

Well, conservatives DID oppose the core principles of opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment. Because that is what the War on Poverty was all about. It was not about equal outcomes.

You're confused...I didn't say conservatives worship Monica Lewinsky, I said they have a Monica Lewinsky worship of an opulent hierarchy.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words.

FJO and friends

 

[Desperado]

Reagan is simply one of the most over-rated Presidents ever.

 

[Londoner]

The real key to the fall of the USSR was both Gorbachev and Reagan wanted the cold war to end. Both allowed and acted for that too happen.

The Neocons and KGB wanted desperately to keep the Cold War going. Having an enemy gave each superpower a context for intervention in geopolitically important regions. (The US economy requires resources from far away places. Getting those resources requires very complicated structures of intervention, chief of which is an enemy)

This is why they needed to create the War on Terrorism. The US needed a post Cold War context for intervening in the middle east.

Republicans believed the Government narrative on both the Cold War and the War on Terrorism. (They trust Washington far more deeply than the Left, who rebelled against the Cold War narrative, even when their party was in office). Republicans believe the "Evil Empire" and "Evil Doer" rhetoric. They don't get it: big nations don't have the time or money or competence to save the world from evil. They go to war in order to create and defend access to important resources, some of which are directly related to the economy, like oil. The Bush administration didn't care about Bin Laden. They cared about the Persian Gulf region and what it meant to the global and US economy. Republicans don't understand this because they get their information from Government (aka movement Conservatism).

9/11 was the greatest gift the Bushies could ever dream of. It gave them a context to enact this: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqsep1898.htm
and this
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-092898.htm
and this
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-032398.htm
and this
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Study Republican policy-papers in the mid to late 90s and you will understand the response to 9/11. You will also understand why the US needed to find a replacement for the Cold War.

The War on Terrorism was mana from heaven.

 

[FJO]

Bfgrn opined:

"Well, conservatives DID oppose the core principles of opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment. Because that is what the War on Poverty was all about. It was not about equal outcomes.

You're confused...I didn't say conservatives worship Monica Lewinsky, I said they have a Monica Lewinsky worship of an opulent hierarchy."

And the War on Poverty has worked really well, hasn't it? Billions spent, with no visible results. Just ask people in any city with Democratic mayors. Detroit comes to mind? Or Washington, DC?

Affirmative Action forces employers, schools and other establishments to give jobs, classroom places and unearned privileges to persons based on the color of their skin, rather than on their abilities. Not to mention the content of their characters.

Affirmative action is the ultimate racism, because it tells people of color: You need the government because you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.

Affirmative Action demands equal outcome.

 

[Meathead]

Research the relationship between the Reagan administration and Iran before the 1980 election.

Please, continue the whining, and thank you. I really don't get this little gem. The Reagan administration started in Jan. of 1981.

 

[FJO]

Reagan is simply one of the most over-rated Presidents ever.

One could make the argument that Ronald Reagan is the most under-rated President.

History will tell.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

It's odd that in my lifetime that the history on Reagan has been re-written so much. He was a generally reviled figure until the right wingers tried to rehabilitate his image in the dark days of W. Now you have people actually buying the bullshit on Reagan and thinking he was a decent President when he was actually a corrupt cocksucker.

 

[Meathead]

Reagan is simply one of the most over-rated Presidents ever.

One could make the argument that Ronald Reagan is the most under-rated President.

History will tell.

History has told. Reagan bunched and apparently is still bunching up a lot lefty panties 24 years since he left office. That in itself is attests to his legacy.

 

[Greenbeard]

It is genuinely fascinating how Mr. Reagan, using only common sense and logic (one presumes, at least, that he was not a prophet in the true sense, and delivering directives straight from the Almighty, although I could be wrong about that), so accurately predicted what came to pass in our country.

Reagan, the guy who predicted that if Medicare passed the government would tell doctors which city they had to live in? Prophetic! And mildly insane.

Leftists today are so busy framing the arguments as though the current state of things has ALWAYS pertained that most people forget that there was once an argument about implementing the programs the left takes for granted now as the basis for the NEW programs they want.

There you go again! Reagan himself maintained that in the early 1960s he was "not opposing the principle of providing care for [senior citizens]" but rather preferred the design of Kerr-Mills to Forand. Either way he supported a program of federal financing of care for the elderly; or so he claimed later.

So in fact there was, in Reagan's telling, a wide consensus in the early 1960s that the federal government needed to step in and help out in getting care to the elderly. The argument was about the program's design, not whether or not there should be a program.

“Traditionally, one of the easiest first steps in imposing socialism on a people has been government-paid medicine. It is the easiest to present as a humanitarian project. No one wants to oppose care for the sick.”

You know Reagan's administration is the one that decided Medicare would no longer pay what providers billed but would in fact become a price-setter and tell providers how much services were going to be worth, right?

“Why? Well, ex-Congressman (Aime) Forand provides the answer. He says, ‘If we can only break through and get our foot in the door, then we can expand the program after that.’”

As we know now, that's exactly what happened.

That happened? When was Medicare expanded?

 

[bripat9643]

Well, I guess the majority of American voters disagreed with him on 6Nov12.

You have the same theory about socialized medicine as you have about global warming: if the majority believes in it, then it must true/good.

You have the mind of a barbarian.

 

[FJO]

Reagan is simply one of the most over-rated Presidents ever.

One could make the argument that Ronald Reagan is the most under-rated President.

History will tell.

History has told. Reagan bunched and apparently is still bunching up a lot lefty panties 24 years since he left office. That in itself is attests to his legacy.

When they have nothing to say, the Left comes up with infantile 'puns' like 'raygun' or display their total lack of decency by referring to someone they never met a 'corrupt cocksucker'.

BallsBrunswick does not realize that that calling someone that is NOT an insult in his twisted world. A 'cocksucker' is a gay person who - like BallsBrunswick - enjoys the taste of excrement literal of figurative. A 'cocksucker' is a gay person who should receive all the glory and admiration from the Left.

Subhuman trash like BallsBrunswick revel in their self-styled wittiness of using vulgar profanities.

 

[bripat9643]

It's odd that in my lifetime that the history on Reagan has been re-written so much. He was a generally reviled figure until the right wingers tried to rehabilitate his image in the dark days of W.

ROFL! Talk about rewriting history!

Now you have people actually buying the bullshit on Reagan and thinking he was a decent President when he was actually a corrupt cocksucker.

That's ironic coming from a tool who defends the most corrupt cocksucker of all time.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

One could make the argument that Ronald Reagan is the most under-rated President.

History will tell.

History has told. Reagan bunched and apparently is still bunching up a lot lefty panties 24 years since he left office. That in itself is attests to his legacy.

When they have nothing to say, the Left comes up with infantile 'puns' like 'raygun' or display their total lack of decency by referring to someone they never met a 'cocksucker'.

Yeah... the guy who gave weapons to terrorists, began trickle down economics, and showed this country the first taste of Republican debt is a cocksucker for these and many other reasons.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

It's odd that in my lifetime that the history on Reagan has been re-written so much. He was a generally reviled figure until the right wingers tried to rehabilitate his image in the dark days of W.

ROFL! Talk about rewriting history!

Now you have people actually buying the bullshit on Reagan and thinking he was a decent President when he was actually a corrupt cocksucker.

That's ironic coming from a tool who defends the most corrupt cocksucker of all time.

You've shown repeatedly that you have no concept of history and your opinion really is uninformed and means nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

You've shown repeatedly that you have no concept of history and your opinion really is uninformed and means nothing.

In other words, I dispute your understanding of history. Your version is identical to the one they taught in the former Soviet Union.

 

[Meathead]

History has told. Reagan bunched and apparently is still bunching up a lot lefty panties 24 years since he left office. That in itself is attests to his legacy.

When they have nothing to say, the Left comes up with infantile 'puns' like 'raygun' or display their total lack of decency by referring to someone they never met a 'cocksucker'.

Yeah... the guy who gave weapons to terrorists, began trickle down economics, and showed this country the first taste of Republican debt is a cocksucker for these and many other reasons.

Maybe you should just stop wearing panties. Ever thought of that? Not hygienic, I know, but it might help.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

You've shown repeatedly that you have no concept of history and your opinion really is uninformed and means nothing.

In other words, I dispute your understanding of history. Your version is identical to the one they taught in the former Soviet Union.

This is what I'm saying. You don't like reality so you come up with retarded things like this. You'd suck any cock Fox News told you to and you have no original thoughts or opinions that are your own.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

When they have nothing to say, the Left comes up with infantile 'puns' like 'raygun' or display their total lack of decency by referring to someone they never met a 'cocksucker'.

Yeah... the guy who gave weapons to terrorists, began trickle down economics, and showed this country the first taste of Republican debt is a cocksucker for these and many other reasons.

Maybe you should just stop wearing panties. Ever thought of that? Not hygienic, I know, but it might help.

...Not only is that a really poor insult but I don't even know what you're talking about or how it relates to what I said.

 

[bripat9643]

History has told. Reagan bunched and apparently is still bunching up a lot lefty panties 24 years since he left office. That in itself is attests to his legacy.

When they have nothing to say, the Left comes up with infantile 'puns' like 'raygun' or display their total lack of decency by referring to someone they never met a 'cocksucker'.

Yeah... the guy who gave weapons to terrorists, began trickle down economics, and showed this country the first taste of Republican debt is a cocksucker for these and many other reasons.

"Trickle down" is just a liberal pejorative for "the free market." Reagan didn't begin it, but he partially restored the country to it. The "Republican debt" is really the Democrat Congress debt. They approved every dollar spent. In fact, Congress was the author of every budget that actually passed.

 

[bripat9643]

You've shown repeatedly that you have no concept of history and your opinion really is uninformed and means nothing.

In other words, I dispute your understanding of history. Your version is identical to the one they taught in the former Soviet Union.

This is what I'm saying. You don't like reality so you come up with retarded things like this. You'd suck any cock Fox News told you to and you have no original thoughts or opinions that are your own.

ROFL! You kill me.

Your posts are nothing but pure ad hominems. Then you whine like a little girl when someone dishes out the same treatment to you.

If you ever post some reality, perhaps I'll take an interest. So far all I've seen coming from you is communist propaganda.