Ron Paul

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Forbes Says Bloomberg to Spend Big Bucks to Derail Ron Paul

Free Market News | December 17, 2007

The mathematics are quite simple. More and more, American presidential politics in 2008 is about one man: the limited government, constitutional candidate Ron Paul. By running under a free-market, constitutionalist banner, Ron Paul (R-Tex) has placed himself in opposition to seemingly every other presidential candidate and given the Washington power structure the shimmies and shakes.

The recent ?mass donation day? that just netted the candidate around $6 million or more in 24-hours is likely the last straw. The mainstream media surely cannot continue to pretend that Ron Paul is anything less than a leading Republican candidate, one who may finish high in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and then go on to do well in the Super Tuesday primaries.



Could he even become the Republican candidate for president? What about a brokered convention? As such, with a low tax, anti-war platform, Ron Paul would probably be difficult for any of the current crop of Democrats to beat. No doubt all of these contingencies are being discussed at fairly high levels in the political establishment.

Enter Mike Bloomberg, the founder and owner of the financial data and news company Bloomberg. Forbes says the mogul is contemplating spending up to 20 percent of his $11 billion fortune to run as an Independent candidate for president.

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2007/12/15/bloomberg-mayor-independent-oped-cx_daa_1215bloomberg.html

An ?activist? mayor, Bloomberg has run New York City more or less from the left, banning smoking in bars and planning to tax residents and visitors exorbitant amounts of money to discourage them from driving into downtown Manhattan. He obviously sees the role of political leader as a transformative one.

$2 billion can buy a lot of TV time ? and perhaps even drown out the increasingly successful message of Ron Paul. Would blitzing the airways with a ?mainstream? message paper over ?Mayor Mike's? fairly radical New York City political record? That may be what his backers are hoping.

Though nobody will say so, Bloomberg's candidacy, if it comes to pass, would likely be aimed - to begin with, anyway (certainly if momentum builds) at Ron Paul. The more successful Ron Paul is, the more desperate his opponents are to stop him. Even if it means hauling in a Wall Street business mogul to spend up to $2 billion of his own funds to do so.

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[eots]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXs6edt-4Dc&feature=related

some fat ranting fool so what ?

 

[Paulie]

Kathianne, did you see Ron's 1 hour interview on Glen Beck?

If so, what did you think?

 

[indago]

HAD ENOUGH?

 

[LOki]

And, LOki,...HSA is what he wants. Don't beat it up.

I'm not saying otherwise, but you're saying he's planning to establish them for everyone; and you are patently wrong about that--stop back-pedaling.

 

[Annie]

Kathianne, did you see Ron's 1 hour interview on Glen Beck?

If so, what did you think?

Missed it, though I've heard Ron Paul before.

 

[Paulie]

Missed it, though I've heard Ron Paul before.

Well you yourself promoted this Beck interview with your own thread a week or 2 ago, so I figured you would have kept abreast of the happenings involving especially this.

I don't feel like digging up the link because it'll probably be in multiple parts, but he had a full 1 hour interview with Beck last night, and Beck was admittedly pretty damn fair. It was actually one of the best RP interviews I've seen yet. Beck is actually a FAN.

 

[Annie]

Well you yourself promoted this Beck interview with your own thread a week or 2 ago, so I figured you would have kept abreast of the happenings involving especially this.

I don't feel like digging up the link because it'll probably be in multiple parts, but he had a full 1 hour interview with Beck last night, and Beck was admittedly pretty damn fair. It was actually one of the best RP interviews I've seen yet. Beck is actually a FAN.

I remember the link, no need to dig it up. For some reason I'm unsurprised that Beck would be fair.

 

[Paulie]

I remember the link, no need to dig it up. For some reason I'm unsurprised that Beck would be fair.

Can't imagine how, considering how he'd been treating his campaign by labelling his supporters "terrorists".

Only thing I didn't agree with, was Ron having to answer for some assholes making death threats, that aren't even officially working for him. Why should Ron have to answer for them?

Anyway though, besides all that, this whole Bloomberg thing makes me wonder as well.

If the establishment really is getting worried about Ron, and pulling out new stops to try and compete, then maybe Ron's chances are a lot better than people are willing to admit? Hmm.

 

[Annie]

Can't imagine how, considering how he'd been treating his campaign by labelling his supporters "terrorists".

Only thing I didn't agree with, was Ron having to answer for some assholes making death threats, that aren't even officially working for him. Why should Ron have to answer for them?

Anyway though, besides all that, this whole Bloomberg thing makes me wonder as well.

If the establishment really is getting worried about Ron, and pulling out new stops to try and compete, then maybe Ron's chances are a lot better than people are willing to admit? Hmm.

The Bloomberg-Hagel ticket would cause havoc for Dem/Reps and Paul. Could be enjoyable.

As for Paul and supporters, IF I agreed with all he stands for and believe it or not there's much I do, his long standing associations with those on Stormfront would preclude me from ever voting for him. In fact, it's what makes me 'obsessive' in your parlance.

 

[Paulie]

The Bloomberg-Hagel ticket would cause havoc for Dem/Reps and Paul. Could be enjoyable.

As for Paul and supporters, IF I agreed with all he stands for and believe it or not there's much I do, his long standing associations with those on Stormfront would preclude me from ever voting for him. In fact, it's what makes me 'obsessive' in your parlance.

But he's not associated with them. They associate THEMSELVES with his candidacy, but he does not associate himself with them.

If you have anything that proves otherwise, I'd love to see it.

He just explained to Cavuto either today or yesterday why it would be ridiculous to give back the $500 from Black.

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Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Detmurds]

Folks, ...most of you have only heard me make negative remarks on Ron Paul. But the truth is I like a lot of what he wants, and the strength he shows. The two thing that keeps me from really liking him is: Is he still a Lib? And #2,..I don't think that we should quit a war that we are almost done with! If we are done, and pulled out of Iraq by election day,..I could even consider voting for him! Hey,..I am not appeasing,..just telling the truth.

 

[Annie]

Can't imagine how, considering how he'd been treating his campaign by labelling his supporters "terrorists".

Only thing I didn't agree with, was Ron having to answer for some assholes making death threats, that aren't even officially working for him. Why should Ron have to answer for them?

Anyway though, besides all that, this whole Bloomberg thing makes me wonder as well.

If the establishment really is getting worried about Ron, and pulling out new stops to try and compete, then maybe Ron's chances are a lot better than people are willing to admit? Hmm.

But they support him and he knows them.

Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront#comments

Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 3:53:50 pm PST

An LGF reader emailed this photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on September 17, 2007. Immediately to Paul&#8217;s left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi hate site Stormfront. If anyone knows who the creepy guy in the hat is, please post a comment. Now I can see Ron Paul trying to appeal to evangelicals, but Black?

Then again, maybe Stormfront saw an opening, which I hope did not appeal to Evangelicals at the Forum. Now if Paul just wishes to say, 'but heh, every posed with the Nazis', sure would be nice to see some evidence of that.:

Now comes Ron Paul acting like taking their money is to keep them from having it to spend, wow. In September he seemed cozy enough, as shown in the pic. **Edit** The hat guy is Black's son, Derek. He has his own little kiddie column at Stormfront.:

http://reason.com/blog/show/124032.html

Then Cavuto pivots to the Black story:

CAVUTO: There are reports, sir, that your campaign has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist in West Palm Beach. And your campaign had indicated you have no intention to return it. What are you going to do with that?

PAUL: It is probably already spent. Why give it back to him and use it for bad purposes?

And I don't even know his name. I never heard of it. You know, when you get 57,000 donations a day, are we supposed to screen them and find out their beliefs? He sent the money for my beliefs. And if he promoting my viewpoints and my attitudes, why give it back to him if he has bad viewpoints? Kind of hard to say that after the picture, from September?

And I don't endorse anything that he endorses or what anybody endorses. They come to me to endorse freedom and the Constitution and limited government. So, I see no purpose for me to start screening everybody that sends me money. I mean, it is impossible to do it. It is a ridiculous idea that I am supposed to screen these people.

CAVUTO: All right. So, Congressman, when you find out that it's this Don Black who made the donation, and who ran a site called Stormfront, White Pride Worldwide, now that you know it, now that you're familiar after the fact, you still would not return it?

PAUL: Well, if I spent his money and I took the money that maybe you might have sent to me and donate it back to him, that does not make any sense to me. Why should I give him money to promote his cause? That doesn't make any sense to me.

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Here's the Cavuto graf:

Then Cavuto pivots to the Black story:

CAVUTO: There are reports, sir, that your campaign has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist in West Palm Beach. And your campaign had indicated you have no intention to return it. What are you going to do with that?

PAUL: It is probably already spent. Why give it back to him and use it for bad purposes?

And I don't even know his name. I never heard of it. You know, when you get 57,000 donations a day, are we supposed to screen them and find out their beliefs? He sent the money for my beliefs. And if he promoting my viewpoints and my attitudes, why give it back to him if he has bad viewpoints?

And I don't endorse anything that he endorses or what anybody endorses. They come to me to endorse freedom and the Constitution and limited government. So, I see no purpose for me to start screening everybody that sends me money. I mean, it is impossible to do it. It is a ridiculous idea that I am supposed to screen these people.

CAVUTO: All right. So, Congressman, when you find out that it's this Don Black who made the donation, and who ran a site called Stormfront, White Pride Worldwide, now that you know it, now that you're familiar after the fact, you still would not return it?

PAUL: Well, if I spent his money and I took the money that maybe you might have sent to me and donate it back to him, that does not make any sense to me. Why should I give him money to promote his cause? That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Annie]

Well it's the way it goes, first pictures then more connections:

And the VNN site is either being overwhelmed or has been shut down.

http://lonestartimes.com/2007/12/19/rpb3/

The &#8220;Commander&#8221; of the American National Socialist Workers Party (i.e., the &#8220;Nazis&#8221 has posted the following statement over at VNN, another leading White Supremacist hate-site.

Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn&#8217;t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul&#8217;s extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a &#8220;small ideology&#8221; and claim white activists are &#8220;wasting their money&#8221; trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don&#8217;t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to &#8220;expose&#8221; this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous &#8212; and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

The Commander&#8217;s fellow Nazis are not in the least bit happy with him for posting this; here&#8217;s a screenshot (click to expand), in case they pull it down.​

Attention Paultards&#8211; we are now entering the part of the news cycle where your candidate constantly gets asked about whether or not he or his senior staffers frequently attend lunch with a bunch of racist nutjobs. With any luck, someone took pictures.

During this period, the words &#8220;Ron Paul&#8221; and &#8220;Nazi&#8221; will appear in close proximity in print, on-air and on-line many thousands of times. People who only know a little bit about Ron Paul will be discussing this in elevators on the way into work tomorrow morning.

And because I love to say I told you so, I will.

I told you so.

 

[jillian]

Day-um.... you do get to say "I told you so", Kathianne.

I still say the little dork is a non-issue. I hope he runs a third-party campaign and takes all his little nazis with him out of the repub voting block. Dems walk into the white house after that.

 

[Annie]

Day-um.... you do get to say "I told you so", Kathianne.

I still say the little dork is a non-issue. I hope he runs a third-party campaign and takes all his little nazis with him out of the repub voting block. Dems walk into the white house after that.

I told you so!

He still has lots of $$$, that came from the hatemongers and I'm certain people that believed in what he stood for, through his votes. They just weren't interested in looking more deeply, perhaps hoping for better than the offerings from either major party.

I certainly hope those $$$ can be directed away from there original connections of the nefarious sort. There is more and more coming out thanks to that Vanguard post. Seems the restaurant mentioned indeed shows up on an expense allocation sheet.

Speaking of I told you so. Remember a long time ago you warned me about Gates of Vienna and Vlaams Belang? You were right and wow, what a feud!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28346_Paleocons_Moonbats_and_Fascists_Oh_My!&only

It's been going on for months, this is the most recent. Connections from Buchanan and Paul.

 

[jillian]

I told you so!

He still has lots of $$$, that came from the hatemongers and I'm certain people that believed in what he stood for, through his votes. They just weren't interested in looking more deeply, perhaps hoping for better than the offerings from either major party.

I certainly hope those $$$ can be directed away from there original connections of the nefarious sort. There is more and more coming out thanks to that Vanguard post. Seems the restaurant mentioned indeed shows up on an expense allocation sheet.

Speaking of I told you so. Remember a long time ago you warned me about Gates of Vienna and Vlaams Belang? You were right and wow, what a feud!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28346_Paleocons_Moonbats_and_Fascists_Oh_My!&only

It's been going on for months, this is the most recent. Connections from Buchanan and Paul.

Gee... I get to say I told you so, too! heh... great day for the woman posters, eh?

I owe you rep for the Paul find, btw... just can't give out any more right now til tomorrow, I think. But bravo.

Did I ever mention that one of my proudest moments was the late, great Eric Breindel publishing my Op-Ed in the NY Post? I got to respond to one of Pat Buchanan's Editorials and take him to task on the Supreme Court. Heh... It felt very good to tell off the old coot. He's a smart feisty one, though. Seems real ticked off at Giuliani.

 

[Annie]

Gee... I get to say I told you so, too! heh... great day for the woman posters, eh?

I owe you rep for the Paul find, btw... just can't give out any more right now til tomorrow, I think. But bravo.

Did I ever mention that one of my proudest moments was the late, great Eric Breindel publishing my Op-Ed in the NY Post? I got to respond to one of Pat Buchanan's Editorials and take him to task on the Supreme Court. Heh... It felt very good to tell off the old coot. He's a smart feisty one, though. Seems real ticked off at Giuliani.

LOL! Women rule, at least for this hour. Like Ron Paul, when I first heard Buchanan and Paul, I was intrigued, however I always check my interests out. It was a whole lot easier with Paul thanks to the internet and things like 'screenshots'. It was not impossible back when, just more difficult and easier to get swept up with the rhetoric from the candidate and supporters.

 

[Paulie]

Well it's the way it goes, first pictures then more connections:

And the VNN site is either being overwhelmed or has been shut down.

http://lonestartimes.com/2007/12/19/rpb3/

I just fucking typed out an entire rebuttal to everything you just posted and the fucking site for some reason killed my entire post. It took way too long for me to go back and re-do it, but rest assured i refuted everything you claimed.

I'll be back tomorrow to do it again, I have my family to tend to right now.

good night Kath.