Ron Paul: Israel Encouraged and Started Hamas

[Oddball]

Dude... relax.

Never ever try to dictate to me

I'm not dictating to you, and I am relaxed.

As I pointed out earlier, this isn't pro rasslin' where there's the super good guy and the super bad guy.

 

[Foxfyre]

All that happened because of the desire to keep Germany beaten down after WWI.

No. It happened because one madman supported by a lot of opportunists decided to become master of as much of the world as he could. As horrendous and unconscionable and indefensible as it was, an equally expansionist Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that forced us into WWII probably inadvertently saved millions of lives.

As it was WWII was the most deadly in human history with an estimated 40 to 80 million lives lost depending on whose estimates you use.

 

[pknopp]

No. It happened because one madman supported by a lot of opportunists decided to become master of as much of the world as he could. As horrendous and unconscionable and indefensible as it was, Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that did force us into WWII probably inadvertently saved millions of lives.

As it was WWII was the most deadly in human history with an estimated 60 to 80 million lives lost.

He never comes to power if not for Germany being beaten down.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There is no greater bastion of dimocrap scum groupthink than Universities. Not even the DISGUSTING FILTH in the media is as bad.

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I think a lot of these useful idiots protesting on both so-called ''sides'' are likely fresh off of some NGO's bus.

Which begs the question of what they have in store in terms of further usurp to American civil liberties.

Last time it got us the Patriot Act and a massive expansion of government.

 

[Edgetho]

Nevertheless, Ron and Rand Paul are isolationists according to how I and the Encyclopedia Britannica define that. If you define it differently that's your prerogative but don't insist that I use your word instead of mine please. I won't let the woke require me to use their definitions/words/pronouns for things either.

Having said that non-interventionist and isolationist are pretty well defined the same way:

United States non-interventionism primarily refers to the foreign policy that was eventually applied by the United States between the late 18th century and the first half of the 20th century whereby it sought to avoid alliances with other nations in order to prevent itself from being drawn into wars

Paleo-Conservatives were/are isolationist. Liberturdians are just idiots.

But that was back in the day when they considered the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans as impenetrable walls to any invader.

We can't afford to be isolationist anymore. As much as I'd like to, we just can't.

<>To you people who think you're liberturdian. you are almost certainly not. If you were, you wouldn't be in here talking politics. Or worried about Wars, or Borders. Most modern 'libertarians' are just too afraid to choose a side.

 

[Oddball]

No. It happened because one madman supported by a lot of opportunists decided to become master of as much of the world as he could. As horrendous and unconscionable and indefensible as it was, Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that did force us into WWII probably inadvertently saved millions of lives.

As it was WWII was the most deadly in human history with an estimated 60 to 80 million lives lost.

That one madman was afforded the opportunity he had because of the ridiculous Treaty of Versailles.

 

[Oddball]

Paleo-Conservatives were/are isolationist. Liberturdians are just idiots.

But that was back in the day when they considered the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans as impenetrable walls to any invader.

We can't afford to be isolationist anymore. As much as I'd like to, we just can't.

<>To you people who think you're liberturdian. you are almost certainly not. If you were, you wouldn't be in here talking politics. Or worried about Wars, or Borders. Most modern 'libertarians' are just too afraid to choose a side.

That's one hell of a strawman you just built there...Was there a sale at the farm and fleet store?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Nevertheless, Ron and Rand Paul are isolationists according to how I and the Encyclopedia Britannica define that. If you define it differently that's your prerogative but don't insist that I use your word instead of mine please. I won't let the woke require me to use their definitions/words/pronouns for things either.

Having said that non-interventionist and isolationist are pretty well defined the same way:

United States non-interventionism primarily refers to the foreign policy that was eventually applied by the United States between the late 18th century and the first half of the 20th century whereby it sought to avoid alliances with other nations in order to prevent itself from being drawn into wars

Well you're free to use it however you please. I made no effort to insist that you use it in any way.

I was just illustrating how the dictionary/encyclopedia definitions are historically compartmentalized and very shallow.

 

[Edgetho]

No. It happened because one madman supported by a lot of opportunists decided to become master of as much of the world as he could. As horrendous and unconscionable and indefensible as it was, an equally expansionist Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that forced us into WWII probably inadvertently saved millions of lives.

As it was WWII was the most deadly in human history with an estimated 40 to 80 million lives lost depending on whose estimates you use.

If you accept the fact that He Who Shall Not Be Named was actually a socialist (he was) it all makes sense. He had that country buzzing. While imbeciles like FDR had us still deep in the Great Depression, Germany had the strongest economy in the world.

What made He Who Shall Not Be Named seek conquest was -- He ran out of stolen money.

And the only socialists know how to make money quickly is -- Steal it from your neighbors.

In this country, the socialists simply tax your money and steal it that way. When you're done with that, your next choice is conquest.

If you accept that these people are/were socialists, it all starts to fall into place. Not complicated. The details can get tedious but tedium is not really complicated either.

Didja know:

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A WAR BETWEEN TWO DEMOCRACIES

 

[Edgetho]

That's one hell of a strawman you just built there...Was there a sale at the farm and fleet store?

Sorry, next time I'll try to use mono-syllabic words for your benefit

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'm not dictating to you, and I am relaxed.

As I pointed out earlier, this isn't pro rasslin' where there's the super good guy and the super bad guy.

Telling me to lighten the fck up?

Rethink

 

[Oddball]

Sorry, next time I'll try to use mono-syllabic words for your benefit

Oooo....Such a zinger....You come up with that all by yourself?

 

[Oddball]

Telling me to lighten the fck up?

Rethink

Well, you are coming across as all wound up for some reason or another, as evidenced by your taking a metaphorical reference literally.

 

[Edgetho]

That one madman was afforded the opportunity he had because of the ridiculous Treaty of Versailles.

How about the Weimar Republic's failed attempt at 'Capitalism'?

Although the Versailles Treaty was one of the dumbest moves in human history. Woodhead Wilson (his wife, actually) was full-on behind it. Terrible mistake. But even though it's fun to blame dimocraps, mostly because they're such low-life scumbags..... It was mostly the Froggies and the Brits that were all butt-hurt

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'd be more of a classical liberal. But I'm also offended that I have to accept an adjective in order to placate confused statists who have adopted and bastardized the term.

Left loons stole your label

Yeah. Ironically, though, the same can be said for ''conservatism.''



It's a heck of a thing, Lass.

Anyway. I do have stuff to so, I keep saying I'm gonna jump off here and do it, so it's not gonna get done until I do.

You all have a wonderful Sunday afternoon.

 

[Foxfyre]

He never comes to power if not for Germany being beaten down.

Most Germans didn't pay a lot of attention to Hitler's anti-communism, antisemitism, nationalist rhetoric as the country was significantly recovering economically from WWI. Germany was receiving considerable financial aid from the USA (Dawes plan.)

Hitler came to power by convincing the people that the communists and Jews were responsible for all their troubles and he would take care of that.

After re-establishing diplomatic relations after WWI, the USA maintained diplomatic relations with Germany right up to the point that Germany declared war on us in 1941 which they were required to do as an ally of Japan. The war had been going on for two years at that time.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Well, you are coming across as all wound up for some reason or another, as evidenced by your taking a metaphorical reference literally.

I'm not wound up, I'm pointing out you tried dictating to me. It's all there. Best you move along now...my patience is wearing thin

 

[Edgetho]

Oooo....Such a zinger....You come up with that all by yourself?

Sorry. I'll never be able to match you in hurling insults. I'm sure you've heard thousands of them

 

[Edgetho]

I'm not wound up, I'm pointing out you tried dictating to me. It's all there. Best you move along now...my patience is wearing thin

Somewhere, a sad puppy is wondering why he just got kicked

 

[whitehall]

So freaking typical of the left to leave out a couple of words that skew the intent of the quote. Israel encouraged Hamas TO RISE AGAINST ARAFAT. The CIA does this stuff all the time with similar failures.