Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

[P@triot]

You can make a living in healthcare but don't expect to get rich.

Thank God you don't get to decide that for the United States. We have the greatest healthcare in the world specifically because one can get extremely wealthy in that field (which draws in the best and brightest).

It takes remarkably gifted individuals to be a physician. People gifted like that will not choose healthcare as a career when irrational people like you dictate what kind of living they can make. Which means we will be stuck with unintelligent people like you providing healthcare. And it will deteriorate into Cuba.

Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer the greatest healthcare in the world, costs be damned. It's my health. I want the best and most expensive. You get what you pay for. If you want shitty third-world country costs, move to Cuba and get shitty third-world healthcare.

 

[Brain357]

You can make a living in healthcare but don't expect to get rich.

Thank God you don't get to decide that for the United States. We have the greatest healthcare in the world specifically because one can get extremely wealthy in that field (which draws in the best and brightest).

It takes remarkably gifted individuals to be a physician. People gifted like that will not choose healthcare as a career when irrational people like you dictate what kind of living they can make. Which means we will be stuck with unintelligent people like you providing healthcare. And it will deteriorate into Cuba.

Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer the greatest healthcare in the world, costs be damned. It's my health. I want the best and most expensive. You get what you pay for. If you want shitty third-world country costs, move to Cuba and get shitty third-world healthcare.

Yes, soon the greatest healthcare few can afford.

 

[P@triot]

Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through.

Actually...he doesn't. Because the marxist dick sits on tens of millions of dollars. He can afford to cover the costs for all sick children - but like all left-wing hypocrites - he doesn't. Instead he hoards his own wealth and screams for government to shred the U.S. Constitution to implement communism so that he can force me to do what his greedy ass is unwilling to do.

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives give to their churches

Yep...and just look at all of the amazing works the churches of all faiths do across the world. Feeding the hungry. Sheltering the homeless. Hell, 60 Minutes ran a story just yesterday at how churches are serving as "sanctuaries" for illegal aliens because ICE won't enter churches to make arrests. I thought you supported illegal aliens?

You are correct...churches do social and charitable work
But 100% of your contribution does not go to charity. It goes for the ministers salary, heat, maintenance, a new organ, choir robes
Things you benefit from as a member of that church

 

[WEATHER53]

100% correct and time to move past the "feeling are facts" crowd, put the intellect over the emotions, discontinue the make pretend of"Hillary could not have lost so it's Russians....Comey....etc" and govern despite the adolescent din of the libs

 

[RightyTighty]

The "logic" of the right, sick babies and old people should be about - making a buck.

160 years later and the left still can't let go of slavery. After emancipation, losing the Civil War, and the 13th Amendment, the left has continued to find new and creative ways to restore slavery - including socialism.

Look snowflake...it's either "make a buck" or force someone to provide their labor to you free of charge (slavery). Rational, logical people choose capitalism - where all parties enter into an agreement of their own free will and where both parties benefit.

You prove the premise of this thread with your irrational, emotional response. Why is it that the parents of babies should be absolved of their healthcare expenses? Why should full grown adults (emotionally tagged as "elderly") be absolved of their own healthcare costs? Can you give a logical, rational explanation for that or will you just continue with weepy "babies" and "elderly" bullshit?

There's no "slavery" when you are free to work or not in the healthcare industry. Just because you can't get rich doing so (but you still could doing boob jobs) doesn't make it slavery. You lack all rational thought because you are so wedded to the idea that capitalism is answer to all questions. You believe dogma. A church isn't capitalism. Neither is teaching or raising children. And neither is healthcare just because we let it be so. I'm not absolving adults, I'm dealing with the facts that you can't - they get sick, have sick children, they get old and sick, and are members of society not cogs in a factory that we toss out the window when they no longer function properly or wear out.

We tried your way once, when we left sick infants out in the snow to die or dropped them down dry wells when there wasn't enough food to feed them. That's not emotion, that's human history. Rational people deal with things rationally. All you can do is scream dogma at the top of your lungs.

 

[OldLady]

I didn't twist anything. YOU did, by making charity a political attribute. You didn't answer my question. How do conservatives take "credit" for St Judes? BTW, those were not the hospitals mentioned in the OP.

You did twist it. The point of the thread is about how the left policies fail because they are built on lies from knee-jerk emotional reactions.

As far as how do conservatives "take credit" - well, free market charity is pure conservatism. Government forced socialism/communism/fascism is pure left-wing ideology.

I don't agree about the emotional stuff, but I see how free market charity is pure conservatism.

 

[OldLady]

You can make a living in healthcare but don't expect to get rich.

Thank God you don't get to decide that for the United States. We have the greatest healthcare in the world specifically because one can get extremely wealthy in that field (which draws in the best and brightest).

It takes remarkably gifted individuals to be a physician. People gifted like that will not choose healthcare as a career when irrational people like you dictate what kind of living they can make. Which means we will be stuck with unintelligent people like you providing healthcare. And it will deteriorate into Cuba.

Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer the greatest healthcare in the world, costs be damned. It's my health. I want the best and most expensive. You get what you pay for. If you want shitty third-world country costs, move to Cuba and get shitty third-world healthcare.

Says a rich person.

 

[P@triot]

Conservatives give to their churches

Yep...and just look at all of the amazing works the churches of all faiths do across the world. Feeding the hungry. Sheltering the homeless. Hell, 60 Minutes ran a story just yesterday at how churches are serving as "sanctuaries" for illegal aliens because ICE won't enter churches to make arrests. I thought you supported illegal aliens?

You are correct...churches do social and charitable work. But 100% of your contribution does not go to charity. It goes for the ministers salary, heat, maintenance, a new organ, choir robes. Things you benefit from as a member of that church

And you're under the impression that 100% of your tax dollars for social programs make it to the people?!?

Do you understand the astounding size and unnecessary complexity of the Social Security Administration? Buildings, computers, energy costs, staffing, leadership, perks and benefits. You're lucky to get $0.10 on the $1.00 actually making it to the people on government social programs.

Private charities do a billion times better and getting the money where it belongs. They are much more efficient. For one thing - a church doesn't have greedy unions like federal employees do.

 

[P@triot]

Says a rich person.

I wish! I'm not wealthy - I'm middle class. And even if I were dirt-poor, that's all the more reason I would want elite healthcare.

 

[RightyTighty]

Conservatives give to their churches

Yep...and just look at all of the amazing works the churches of all faiths do across the world. Feeding the hungry. Sheltering the homeless. Hell, 60 Minutes ran a story just yesterday at how churches are serving as "sanctuaries" for illegal aliens because ICE won't enter churches to make arrests. I thought you supported illegal aliens?

You are correct...churches do social and charitable work. But 100% of your contribution does not go to charity. It goes for the ministers salary, heat, maintenance, a new organ, choir robes. Things you benefit from as a member of that church

And you're under the impression that 100% of your tax dollars for social programs make it to the people?!?

Do you understand the astounding size and unnecessary complexity of the Social Security Administration? Buildings, computers, energy costs, staffing, leadership, perks and benefits. You're lucky to get $0.10 on the $1.00 actually making it to the people on government social programs.

Private charities do a billion times better and getting the money where it belongs. They are much more efficient. For one thing - a church doesn't have greedy unions like federal employees do.

"Lucky if you get $0.10". "They do a billion times better." Good thing there's no emotion in that post.

I know, I'm going to be so rich Trump will clean my floors. I'm going to start CancerCare USA, that only takes people with cancer and only if they can't afford to pay for their polices. Just think of all the money I'll make from people needing cancer treatment who can't afford that, or to pay me, or anything else. Capitalism to the rescue (if only people could afford to buy what I'm selling, which they can't).

 

[OldLady]

Says a rich person.

I wish! I'm not wealthy - I'm middle class. And even if I were dirt-poor, that's all the more reason I would want elite healthcare.

?

 

[P@triot]

Yes, soon the greatest healthcare few can afford.

Actually...everyone can afford it. Have you ever heard of Chris Gardner? He was made famous in the movie "The Pursuit of Happyness" (spelled wrong intentionally). He was dirt-poor and homeless with a son in the 1980's. Today, he owns his own investment firm. He's worth hundreds of millions. And that's not just some one-in-a-billion story. Think about the thousands of athletes every year in college that go from dirt-poor to millionaires over night as they are drafted by the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. And how about the hundreds of thousands who graduate with a degree?

So what's my point? A person's inability to pay today is no indication of their ability to pay tomorrow. Put them on a payment plan and hold them accountable long term. Problem solved over night! Now add charity to the mix to assist as well and healthcare is no longer an issue ever again.

And want to know an unintended byproduct of this model? Healthcare costs will plummet over night. Hospitals currently charge $10 per aspirin to cover the costs of people who receive free healthcare. Once everyone is held accountable for their own needs and are on payment plans - that will no longer be necessary for hospitals to do.

 

[P@triot]

Says a rich person.

I wish! I'm not wealthy - I'm middle class. And even if I were dirt-poor, that's all the more reason I would want elite healthcare.

?

Poor people tend to experience more healthcare problems due to their environment.

 

[OldLady]

Says a rich person.

I wish! I'm not wealthy - I'm middle class. And even if I were dirt-poor, that's all the more reason I would want elite healthcare.

?

Poor people tend to experience more healthcare problems due to their environment.

So you would want elite healthcare like St. Judes which has been paid for by private contributions so the poor don't have to pay anything for excellent care? Does that include doctor's visits and medications that keep people out of the hospital? I'm trying to grasp what it is you envision.

 

[P@triot]

Capitalism to the rescue (if only people could afford to buy what I'm selling, which they can't).

That means your prices are too high. Which means you need to lower your prices. Which is a huge advantage to the consumer. See how beautiful pure capitalism is? It's flawless every time. The market will automatically settle into a "sweet spot" which is beneficial to both parties. Too high, the consumer will not buy. Too low, the producer will not sell.

 

[OldLady]

Yes, soon the greatest healthcare few can afford.

Actually...everyone can afford it. Have you ever heard of Chris Gardner? He was made famous in the movie "The Pursuit of Happyness" (spelled wrong intentionally). He was dirt-poor and homeless with a son in the 1980's. Today, he owns his own investment firm. He's worth hundreds of millions. And that's not just some one-in-a-billion story. Think about the thousands of athletes every year in college that go from dirt-poor to millionaires over night as they are drafted by the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. And how about the hundreds of thousands who graduate with a degree?

So what's my point? A person's inability to pay today is no indication of their ability to pay tomorrow. Put them on a payment plan and hold them accountable long term. Problem solved over night! Now add charity to the mix to assist as well and healthcare is no longer an issue ever again.

And want to know an unintended byproduct of this model? Healthcare costs will plummet over night. Hospitals currently charge $10 per aspirin to cover the costs of people who receive free healthcare. Once everyone is held accountable for their own needs and are on payment plans - that will no longer be necessary for hospitals to do.

They're already doing that, believe it or not.

 

[P@triot]

So you would want elite healthcare like St. Judes which has been paid for by private contributions so the poor don't have to pay anything for excellent care? Does that include doctor's visits and medications that keep people out of the hospital? I'm trying to grasp what it is you envision.

No. I want each and every individual to take personal responsibility for their own lives (including their healthcare needs). And then we augment that with private charity.

 

[P@triot]

They're already doing that, believe it or not.

Not exactly. Yes - people are put on payment plans. But the law allows them to avoid paying their bill. By law, the hospital may not legally repossess assets and avoiding paying is not permitted to go on credit reports and credit scores.

People are legally incentivized not to pay their healthcare bills. We need to change that with some common sense legislation to repeal it. I'm not advocating that we should put the screws to people in a big way - but there should be some reasonable accommodations to ensure payments (even if it's nothing more than $25 per month for someone really destitute or no payment for a few years until they get back on their feet).

 

[RightyTighty]

Capitalism to the rescue (if only people could afford to buy what I'm selling, which they can't).

That means your prices are too high. Which means you need to lower your prices. Which is a huge advantage to the consumer. See how beautiful pure capitalism is? It's flawless every time. The market will automatically settle into a "sweet spot" which is beneficial to both parties. Too high, the consumer will not buy. Too low, the producer will not sell.

Great idea. I'll lower my prices so really sick people can afford them and then I'll have to pay out many times what they pay me to cover their medical bills. I am going to be so fucking rich Bill gates will shine my shoes, buy losing money on every policy.

Or, hey wait a minute, that isn't capitalism unless most of the people who buy my coverage aren't sick (spread the risk, the basis of "insurance"), and I can sell only to whomever I damn well please because those fucking old cancer patients cost me a fortune so I limit what I pay, get them off the books as soon as possible, and if you are sick already go get covered by someone else, this an't no fucking charity this is capitalism. In capitalism I set the rules and the number one rule is I don't sell to sick people since I don't make a profit on them and if you get sick, see ya, you're out of here like shit through a goose as soon as your policy expires.

Capitalism = one answer to one question, not all answers to all questions. The meaning of life? Not capitalism. Should I have or not have children? Not capitalism. Does God exist? Not capitalism. Basic healthcare for a modern society? Not capitalism.