Revenues are down down dow

Obama stifled businesses with his EO's regarding regulations, and the returns and anemic economy reflected that.
When Trump got in and removed those EO's, the economy strengthened and the returns reflected THAT.
So I am doing better, the dividends are increasing.
No lying, I am doing better.

And again, you're lying. You're actually trying to ignore the value of the stocks.

Under Obama:
  • DJIA: UP 149%
  • NASDAQ: UP 265%
  • S&P500: UP 167%

Under Obama following the market bottoming out from the recession:
  • DJIA: UP 199%
  • NASDAQ: UP 286%
  • S&P500: UP 182%
Under Trump:
  • DJIA: UP 26%
  • NASDAQ: UP 41%
  • S&P500: UP 23%

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Maybe you need to take a fucking course on reading comprehension.
I said thanks to Obama we're currently over $21 trillion in debt.

Now re-read that and tell me what you think that means.
Here's what I meant. We are currently over $21 trillion in debt.
When Obama became president we were only $10 trillion in debt.

Trump can't spend dick....because Congress won't let him.
Now who do you think got us close to $20 trillion in debt, and had us on a pace to hit $24 trillion by 2020?
Barack H. Obama.

Hey, Fauny-E-Baloney; I have a pertinent question for you---------->

QUESTION...……….Which President (Trump/Bush/Obama) had the economy and stock market pushed up, by the Federal Reserve pumping BILLIONS upon BILLIONS quarterly into the money supply? In case some forget the name of that, it was called QE 1 through 47, or some such number like that.

I would contend that------------> the QE money also contributed mightily to the disparity in income under Obama. Business was NOT investing in new machinery, it was investing in the stock market, because interest rates were soooooooo low, you almost LOST money to hold it in a CD.

I also contend that--------------> the health of this economy is easily proven to be Trumps by one statistic------------> and that statistic is business investment in new machinery, etc. Under Obama, it SHRANK...…...because of Obamas "you didn't build that," or "somebody else built it for you!" There was NO stability in tax policy, or regulations, until Trump made the scene. That is EXACTLY why business investment is off the charts, and the economy is growing in virtually every sector!

Can you seriously no even do basic search before posting your bullshit?

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You idiot, as a PERCENTAGE OF GDP! Now then, what is more, 10% of a 1.6 (Obysmal) GDP, or 10% of a 3 to 4%gdp (Trump-Trump-Trump-Trump)? Next you will be telling us the government is taking in less tax money by a % of GDP too-)

I mean seriously, are you that dumb, or just pretending to be-)

By the way folks, the Left always tries this, it is called GASLIGHTING!

And, notice how he never even addressed which President had 40 to 80 BILLION pumped into his economy by the fed, thus propping his weak ass economy up.

And, now to prove HOW DUMB WE ARE for even listening to Leftists on anything about the economy------------>

QUESTION...………...if you can't pay your bills because of a cash shortage, do you, A. Buy a new car, B. Buy a new House, C. Adopt 3 more kids, or D. try and pay down your bills by cutting spending?

So now, forget the CORRECT answer, what is the Faaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrr Leftist answer-)

ANSWER---------> Well, when you control government AND your a far leftist, you create a new social program called OBAMACARE. That is correct folks, and you not only take money from other programs that are going broke to fund it, you LIE to everyone and claim that the mandate is not a tax, and if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

And all the while why doing it, your architect laughingly insists HOW DUMB Americans are. He means LEFTISTS, because they are the only ones who believed the fairytale to start with!

And so, WHICH PARTY has created ALL of these social programs that our draining Americas wealth, each and every day...……...and when they lobbied to create them, promised none of this WOULD EVER HAPPEN! Was it the Libertarians? How about the Whigs? Hmmmm, wonder who it was-)

And now that we are EL BROKO, (just practicing my Spanish. That could very well be the mother tongue here soon) they want to INCREASE spending by giving stuff away to NON-AMERICANS.

Listen to them and their logic------------> If you don't want to give free stuff to illegals, you are RAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCIIIIIIIIISSSSSSST. But, if you want to give yourself a tax cut, you are raising the deficit; eventhough more money came into the treasury. (don't ask me how they get away with this logic anywhere in this country) This is why if you listen to a lib on economics, you are listening to something akin to Fantasy Island.

It is simple--------------> They demand you give MORE of YOUR money and our national wealth to people who have broken the law to STEAL your country, and your money, and they are for it.

But when YOU want to keep more of your own money you work hard for, you are a RAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCIIIIIISSSSSSST, and every other istaphobe on the planet!

Vote every one of these gaslighters out of office come November, pahleeeeeeeze!

Dummy GDP growth for 2017 was unremarkable 2.3%, not “3-4%”.

But thanks again showing that you rw fools live ina fantasy land and can’t even look up basic data.


And what did Obama average fool? Now you know why it looked the same when you use GDP. Try using REAL numbers, there is no comparison.

You should really pick someone else to try and gaslight, you are embarrassing yourself-)

Idiot, why the fuck would you use an average here? Is 2009 middle-of-recession GDP growth at all relavant???

I'll make it real simple for you - after recession private bussiness investment went up back to normal in nominal terms and in %ofGDP terms. You idiots try to parse out something contrary but your argumetns add up to silly nonsence.
 
only in right wing fantasy. the goal is to promote the general welfare not the general debt.
Funny how you guys increase the debt with your programs, yet no one ever gets off them...aka helped by them. It's almost like you guys WANT people to be dependant on government. aka like Nazis/fascists/commies and socialists.
making stuff up as you go along?

why doesn't the right wing want to pay wartime tax rates for their alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.
Why does the left want to start a war with Russia?
you tell me; you just made that red herring up.
The left is trying to push the narrative Russian meddling with the election. True or false did obama try to influence the Israeli election?
another red herring?

is it influence peddling or not; "why ditch our long time allies, for our new friends."
 
What a hack. The OP doesn't grok that freeing up capital to be invested doesn't result in instantaneous growth.
 
Anyone else tired of the greedy drama queen?

And there you have it - from wearing tea bags on their heads to now calling national debt concerns "greedy"
you do realize tax cuts increase revenue but it does take a year or two for the growth to kick in.......so the first year or two you lose money.........it's like you've never seen this before.


Yup we have seen it before, Raygun had to raise taxes to cover the shortfall of his tax cuts several times. HW Booooosh also had to raise taxes to cover for Rayguns voodoo economics. Your tax cuts are going to disappear in a few years while the corporate tax cuts will still be in place. Who do you think they are going to come to to cover those shortfalls? Yup seen this all before.
If True, why were government incomes above pre tax cut levels?
The deficit grew, but that was because of more spending. Reagan faced a dem house.....he had to spend money to get them to pass it. Sorry but you are totally wrong in your assessment


He had to have his extreme amount of spending on his military so you are also wrong in your assessment as well.
Yeah he did spend a ton on it, we beat the soviets, I'm glad he did it. The democrats passed the tax cuts, so they had to get something...
 
And there you have it - from wearing tea bags on their heads to now calling national debt concerns "greedy"
you do realize tax cuts increase revenue but it does take a year or two for the growth to kick in.......so the first year or two you lose money.........it's like you've never seen this before.


Yup we have seen it before, Raygun had to raise taxes to cover the shortfall of his tax cuts several times. HW Booooosh also had to raise taxes to cover for Rayguns voodoo economics. Your tax cuts are going to disappear in a few years while the corporate tax cuts will still be in place. Who do you think they are going to come to to cover those shortfalls? Yup seen this all before.
If True, why were government incomes above pre tax cut levels?
The deficit grew, but that was because of more spending. Reagan faced a dem house.....he had to spend money to get them to pass it. Sorry but you are totally wrong in your assessment


He had to have his extreme amount of spending on his military so you are also wrong in your assessment as well.
Yeah he did spend a ton on it, we beat the soviets, I'm glad he did it. The democrats passed the tax cuts, so they had to get something...

Is there something about defeating Soviets that prevented us hence-forth from raising revenues to pay for spending?
 
that is not fact, that’s bullshit.

My advocacy on deficits has been fairly consistent - run them up to stimulate economy in tough times, PAY THEM DOWN in good times.

It’s why I supported Stimulus and opposed indefinite extension of tax cuts in 2012 (as I recall Obama was the one in office. 2018 tax-cuts ON TOP of those tax-cuts is straight bonkers.

You on the other hand RIGHT HERE are not giving a fuck.
Obviously running up the debt isn't a good thing in any economy.
Thanks to Obama we're currently over $21 trillion in debt.
I work in the government, and while Obama was sending billions overseas to foreign banks, we couldn't even get our grass cut.
Right now we're trying to fix all of the shitty buildings that low-bid contractors built while Obama was president.
Instead of building up the military, Obama decimated it.
So Trump is having to totally rebuild our military and our space programs.
But this has happened in the past. Jimmy Carter gutted our military and so did Bill Clinton. It's what Democrats do.

21 Trillion debt because Obama?

You are an idiot. Want to confirm for yourself?
Try to list what he blew 21 Trillion on.
Maybe you need to take a fucking course on reading comprehension.
I said thanks to Obama we're currently over $21 trillion in debt.

Now re-read that and tell me what you think that means.
Here's what I meant. We are currently over $21 trillion in debt.
When Obama became president we were only $10 trillion in debt.

Trump can't spend dick....because Congress won't let him.
Now who do you think got us close to $20 trillion in debt, and had us on a pace to hit $24 trillion by 2020?
Barack H. Obama.
Then blame Bush since he was the one who handed Obama a trillion dollar deficit with an economy in freefall with millions losing their jobs and their homes -- which was the biggest cause of our debt skyrocketing.
I think you need to take a course in civics.
Bush didn't hand Obama shit.
The Democrats in Congress did.
Oh? What bills did the 110th Democrat-led Congress pass that led to the worst recession in generations? :cuckoo:
 
And again, you're lying. You're actually trying to ignore the value of the stocks.

Under Obama:
  • DJIA: UP 149%
  • NASDAQ: UP 265%
  • S&P500: UP 167%

Under Obama following the market bottoming out from the recession:
  • DJIA: UP 199%
  • NASDAQ: UP 286%
  • S&P500: UP 182%
Under Trump:
  • DJIA: UP 26%
  • NASDAQ: UP 41%
  • S&P500: UP 23%

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And Trump is doing it without the help of the Federal Reserve.
I'm not saying that coming out of a recession wasn't helpful.
I will say that Obama slowed the recovery immensely.
The market was basically floundering the last 4 years of Obama's tenure
as his policies took it's grip on the economy.
Great, so then show me were the rate of employment increased drastically under Trump -- or tacitly confess the economy continues to grow at the same rate it has been growing for about the last 8½ years now....

Don't want to talk about the Federal Reserve infusing trillions of dollars over obama's ENTIRE 8 YEARS IN OFFICE?
Your tacit confession is acknowledged.
Your deflection is acknowledged.
No worries, you already tacitly confessed the economy has been growing for many years now and is not growing at a faster rate than it was under Obama.

:dance:
 
And there you have it - from wearing tea bags on their heads to now calling national debt concerns "greedy"
you do realize tax cuts increase revenue but it does take a year or two for the growth to kick in.......so the first year or two you lose money.........it's like you've never seen this before.


Yup we have seen it before, Raygun had to raise taxes to cover the shortfall of his tax cuts several times. HW Booooosh also had to raise taxes to cover for Rayguns voodoo economics. Your tax cuts are going to disappear in a few years while the corporate tax cuts will still be in place. Who do you think they are going to come to to cover those shortfalls? Yup seen this all before.
If True, why were government incomes above pre tax cut levels?
The deficit grew, but that was because of more spending. Reagan faced a dem house.....he had to spend money to get them to pass it. Sorry but you are totally wrong in your assessment


He had to have his extreme amount of spending on his military so you are also wrong in your assessment as well.
Yeah he did spend a ton on it, we beat the soviets, I'm glad he did it. The democrats passed the tax cuts, so they had to get something...


And in doing so tripled the national debt. Way to go Raygun. By the way no president before or since has come close to that spectacular success.
 
you do realize tax cuts increase revenue but it does take a year or two for the growth to kick in.......so the first year or two you lose money.........it's like you've never seen this before.


Yup we have seen it before, Raygun had to raise taxes to cover the shortfall of his tax cuts several times. HW Booooosh also had to raise taxes to cover for Rayguns voodoo economics. Your tax cuts are going to disappear in a few years while the corporate tax cuts will still be in place. Who do you think they are going to come to to cover those shortfalls? Yup seen this all before.
If True, why were government incomes above pre tax cut levels?
The deficit grew, but that was because of more spending. Reagan faced a dem house.....he had to spend money to get them to pass it. Sorry but you are totally wrong in your assessment


He had to have his extreme amount of spending on his military so you are also wrong in your assessment as well.
Yeah he did spend a ton on it, we beat the soviets, I'm glad he did it. The democrats passed the tax cuts, so they had to get something...

Is there something about defeating Soviets that prevented us hence-forth from raising revenues to pay for spending?
Nothing but right wing, fiscal responsibility. Infrastructure is not pork barrel and should be an ongoing effort.
 
And Trump is doing it without the help of the Federal Reserve.
I'm not saying that coming out of a recession wasn't helpful.
I will say that Obama slowed the recovery immensely.
The market was basically floundering the last 4 years of Obama's tenure
as his policies took it's grip on the economy.
Great, so then show me were the rate of employment increased drastically under Trump -- or tacitly confess the economy continues to grow at the same rate it has been growing for about the last 8½ years now....

Don't want to talk about the Federal Reserve infusing trillions of dollars over obama's ENTIRE 8 YEARS IN OFFICE?
Your tacit confession is acknowledged.
Your deflection is acknowledged.
No worries, you already tacitly confessed the economy has been growing for many years now and is not growing at a faster rate than it was under Obama.

:dance:
The Fed had to infuse trillions of dollars to bailout the Rich. Is it Any wonder, the right wing can't budget.
 
And Trump is doing it without the help of the Federal Reserve.
I'm not saying that coming out of a recession wasn't helpful.
I will say that Obama slowed the recovery immensely.
The market was basically floundering the last 4 years of Obama's tenure
as his policies took it's grip on the economy.
Great, so then show me were the rate of employment increased drastically under Trump -- or tacitly confess the economy continues to grow at the same rate it has been growing for about the last 8½ years now....

Don't want to talk about the Federal Reserve infusing trillions of dollars over obama's ENTIRE 8 YEARS IN OFFICE?
Your tacit confession is acknowledged.
Your deflection is acknowledged.
No worries, you already tacitly confessed the economy has been growing for many years now and is not growing at a faster rate than it was under Obama.

:dance:
Thank God for the Fed Reserve, or we would have just been coming out of the recession. Obama knew nothing about economics
 
Great, so then show me were the rate of employment increased drastically under Trump -- or tacitly confess the economy continues to grow at the same rate it has been growing for about the last 8½ years now....

Don't want to talk about the Federal Reserve infusing trillions of dollars over obama's ENTIRE 8 YEARS IN OFFICE?
Your tacit confession is acknowledged.
Your deflection is acknowledged.
No worries, you already tacitly confessed the economy has been growing for many years now and is not growing at a faster rate than it was under Obama.

:dance:
Thank God for the Fed Reserve, or we would have just been coming out of the recession. Obama knew nothing about economics
Good for you.

obamajobgrowthgraph.jpg
 
I worry about the stock market. Because it's a huge source of my income right now. But then again, rich white elitists assholes profit from giving whetbacks jobs and overturning the demographic applecart, they tell me we "Need" to give illegal aliens sanctuary and co-opt the democracy in the process. They dictate that to US. Show of hands here: Anyone HERE get to vote on the sanctuary city thing? Because, well, some of us are fed up with that. And we want a voice here, silly us. It's a big deal, a REALY big deal.We don't need no silly wall. Just hold employers accountable for their actions.
 
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Don't want to talk about the Federal Reserve infusing trillions of dollars over obama's ENTIRE 8 YEARS IN OFFICE?
Your tacit confession is acknowledged.
Your deflection is acknowledged.
No worries, you already tacitly confessed the economy has been growing for many years now and is not growing at a faster rate than it was under Obama.

:dance:
Thank God for the Fed Reserve, or we would have just been coming out of the recession. Obama knew nothing about economics
Good for you.

obamajobgrowthgraph.jpg
Deflect much?
 
Great, so then show me were the rate of employment increased drastically under Trump -- or tacitly confess the economy continues to grow at the same rate it has been growing for about the last 8½ years now....

Don't want to talk about the Federal Reserve infusing trillions of dollars over obama's ENTIRE 8 YEARS IN OFFICE?
Your tacit confession is acknowledged.
Your deflection is acknowledged.
No worries, you already tacitly confessed the economy has been growing for many years now and is not growing at a faster rate than it was under Obama.

:dance:
Thank God for the Fed Reserve, or we would have just been coming out of the recession. Obama knew nothing about economics

What he really needed was to let financial institutions fold and get a good ol' trade war going. :rolleyes:
 
I worry about the stock market. Because it's a huge source of my income right now. But then again, rich white elitists assholes profit from giving whetbacks jobs and overturning the demographic applecart, they tell me we "Need" to give illegal aliens sanctuary and co-opt the democracy in the process. They dictate that to US. Show of hands here: Anyone HERE get to vote on the sanctuary city thing? Because, well, some of us are fed up with that. And we want a voice here, silly us. It's a big deal, a REALY big deal.We don't need no silly wall. Just hold employers accountable for their actions.
a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage; applied capitalism. what a concept.
 
Obviously running up the debt isn't a good thing in any economy.
Thanks to Obama we're currently over $21 trillion in debt.
I work in the government, and while Obama was sending billions overseas to foreign banks, we couldn't even get our grass cut.
Right now we're trying to fix all of the shitty buildings that low-bid contractors built while Obama was president.
Instead of building up the military, Obama decimated it.
So Trump is having to totally rebuild our military and our space programs.
But this has happened in the past. Jimmy Carter gutted our military and so did Bill Clinton. It's what Democrats do.

21 Trillion debt because Obama?

You are an idiot. Want to confirm for yourself?
Try to list what he blew 21 Trillion on.
Maybe you need to take a fucking course on reading comprehension.
I said thanks to Obama we're currently over $21 trillion in debt.

Now re-read that and tell me what you think that means.
Here's what I meant. We are currently over $21 trillion in debt.
When Obama became president we were only $10 trillion in debt.

Trump can't spend dick....because Congress won't let him.
Now who do you think got us close to $20 trillion in debt, and had us on a pace to hit $24 trillion by 2020?
Barack H. Obama.
Then blame Bush since he was the one who handed Obama a trillion dollar deficit with an economy in freefall with millions losing their jobs and their homes -- which was the biggest cause of our debt skyrocketing.
I think you need to take a course in civics.
Bush didn't hand Obama shit.
The Democrats in Congress did.
Oh? What bills did the 110th Democrat-led Congress pass that led to the worst recession in generations? :cuckoo:
Affirmative action housing starting in the Clinton administration. They ignored calls to reform fannie and Freddie...especially Barney Frank.

Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis - The Atlantic

Have the Republicans "blame[d] the housing crisis on the Clinton-era push to lend more to poor people" as The Atlantic's question to Frank suggested? Of course not. Those who took advantage of the opportunity offered by the government's policies are not to blame for the crisis, just as those who make use of Medicare or other government programs are not responsible for the government's current debt problems. It is the government's fault for offering a housing finance program without making any effort to prevent the deterioration in mortgage underwriting standards.


The lesson is do not lend to people who cant pay. But liberal social engineers cant tolerate that and call it racist..hence they imposed affirmative action housing and it was a disaster
 
June revenue numbers are out and it ain't looking pretty for our fiscal situation.

Free lunch tax-cut theorists need to pay attention here.

Compared to same period in FY2017:

Oct 18 + $14B
Nov 18 + $8B
Dec 18 + $7B
Jan 18 + $17B

<<<<<TAX-CUTS PHASED IN
Feb 18 - $16B
March 18 - $6B
May 18 - $23B
June 18 - $32B

So without counting April when 2017 taxes were settled, instead of 11 billion average monthly revenue growth there is 19 billion shortfall.

Total effect is 30 billion monthly revenue reduction trend so far since tax-cuts went into effect. :smoke:

Monthly Treasury Statement
Anyone else tired of the greedy drama queen?

And there you have it - from wearing tea bags on their heads to now calling national debt concerns "greedy"
F you and your bullshit concerns. You didn't give a fuck for years and now you are concerned? Bullshit. You are a lying hypocrite.

Stop pulling shit out of your ass - deficits have always been a concern in my posting and I dare you to quote me EVER saying otherwise.
how can he quote that which isn't there? that's what he said idiot.
 
21 Trillion debt because Obama?

You are an idiot. Want to confirm for yourself?
Try to list what he blew 21 Trillion on.
Maybe you need to take a fucking course on reading comprehension.
I said thanks to Obama we're currently over $21 trillion in debt.

Now re-read that and tell me what you think that means.
Here's what I meant. We are currently over $21 trillion in debt.
When Obama became president we were only $10 trillion in debt.

Trump can't spend dick....because Congress won't let him.
Now who do you think got us close to $20 trillion in debt, and had us on a pace to hit $24 trillion by 2020?
Barack H. Obama.
Then blame Bush since he was the one who handed Obama a trillion dollar deficit with an economy in freefall with millions losing their jobs and their homes -- which was the biggest cause of our debt skyrocketing.
I think you need to take a course in civics.
Bush didn't hand Obama shit.
The Democrats in Congress did.
Oh? What bills did the 110th Democrat-led Congress pass that led to the worst recession in generations? :cuckoo:
Affirmative action housing starting in the Clinton administration. They ignored calls to reform fannie and Freddie...especially Barney Frank.

Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis - The Atlantic

Have the Republicans "blame[d] the housing crisis on the Clinton-era push to lend more to poor people" as The Atlantic's question to Frank suggested? Of course not. Those who took advantage of the opportunity offered by the government's policies are not to blame for the crisis, just as those who make use of Medicare or other government programs are not responsible for the government's current debt problems. It is the government's fault for offering a housing finance program without making any effort to prevent the deterioration in mortgage underwriting standards.


The lesson is do not lend to people who cant pay. But liberal social engineers cant tolerate that and call it racist..hence they imposed affirmative action housing and it was a disaster
He said the deficit and the economy was result of the 110th Congress. Can’t you follow along? What bills did the 110th Congress pass that caused a trillion dollar deficit and for the economy to collapse?
 
Maybe you need to take a fucking course on reading comprehension.
I said thanks to Obama we're currently over $21 trillion in debt.

Now re-read that and tell me what you think that means.
Here's what I meant. We are currently over $21 trillion in debt.
When Obama became president we were only $10 trillion in debt.

Trump can't spend dick....because Congress won't let him.
Now who do you think got us close to $20 trillion in debt, and had us on a pace to hit $24 trillion by 2020?
Barack H. Obama.
Then blame Bush since he was the one who handed Obama a trillion dollar deficit with an economy in freefall with millions losing their jobs and their homes -- which was the biggest cause of our debt skyrocketing.
I think you need to take a course in civics.
Bush didn't hand Obama shit.
The Democrats in Congress did.
Oh? What bills did the 110th Democrat-led Congress pass that led to the worst recession in generations? :cuckoo:
Affirmative action housing starting in the Clinton administration. They ignored calls to reform fannie and Freddie...especially Barney Frank.

Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis - The Atlantic

Have the Republicans "blame[d] the housing crisis on the Clinton-era push to lend more to poor people" as The Atlantic's question to Frank suggested? Of course not. Those who took advantage of the opportunity offered by the government's policies are not to blame for the crisis, just as those who make use of Medicare or other government programs are not responsible for the government's current debt problems. It is the government's fault for offering a housing finance program without making any effort to prevent the deterioration in mortgage underwriting standards.


The lesson is do not lend to people who cant pay. But liberal social engineers cant tolerate that and call it racist..hence they imposed affirmative action housing and it was a disaster
He said the deficit and the economy was result of the 110th Congress. Can’t you follow along? What bills did the 110th Congress pass that caused a trillion dollar deficit and for the economy to collapse?
Wait a sec, a trillion dollar deficit.....congress had to pass a budget...bush couldn't just do that. So both parties are at fault?
 

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