Rethinking Opposition to the Healthcare Bill

[Quantum Windbag]

The more informed people get, the greater that plurality becomes.

 

[Polk]

The more informed people get, the greater that plurality becomes.

Number opposed has been going down steadily since January.

Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

 

[The Rabbi]

The more informed people get, the greater that plurality becomes.

Number opposed has been going down steadily since January.

Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

So have the number in favor, according to your own link.
DO you ever stop lying?

 

[HappyJoyJoy]

What brought the sudden change?

 

[California Girl]

My main opposition is that I read the Caterpillar, 3M etc complaints of how much it would cost them and that heads would roll. I thought America was heading down a scary road. HOWEVER, we are not seeing these negative effects. Without these negative effects, the positives might outweigh the negatives:
(1) Getting rid of preexisting condition:
No one cares about this until it effects you personally. My brother-in-law has MS. His ex-wife and him had insurance through a corporation she started. With the marriage over 4 months ago. she dropped him immediately from her insurance. Not sure if anyone knows the cost of MS, but its enormous. The drugs are insane and the doctor visits and test cost an arm and a leg. Its nutz. After she dropped him, he tried to get insurance. Guess what! He couldn't get it ANYWHERE! He went to the Ichips program, it has a 8 month waiting period and then it doesn't cover his doctors and not all his medicine. In other words, he is screwed. Its been months since he has had his medicine and he is getting decidedly worse.

(2) Requiring everyone to get insurance:
It sounded unfair at first, but when you think about it. Its pretty damn unfair that MY insurance bills are so high to cover all the people without insurance. Young people who seem healthy today (like me - I haven't been in a doctors office, other than a physical in 5 years), can get sick tomorrow or get injured. Sorry hospitals shouldn't have to force the bill upon payors.

What I don't like:
(1) They didn't allow for further competition across state lines
(2) They didn't find a way to get insurance away from employer based plans.
(3) Did nothing to deal with the 10 lb Gorilla in the room! Illegal immigrants destroying emergency rooms budgets and getting free healthcare at our expense!

All and all I am going to look at the bill in a new light and wait until we start seeing how it changes things and withhold my opinions until then.

Very few of the problems in health care are addressed in the bill. It's not meant to solve much of anything. Removal of pre-existing conditions will bankrupt insurance companies. But in the short run it will cause your premiums to sky-rocket. And of course Obama will demonize insurance companies because of it.

It's merely a power-grab and a huge march to socialism intended to bring down our economy so billionaires can get rich off the mess.

That about sums it up.

I'd support an actual REFORM..... and this bill is NOT reform.

 

[Polk]

The more informed people get, the greater that plurality becomes.

Number opposed has been going down steadily since January.

Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

So have the number in favor, according to your own link.
DO you ever stop lying?

Did I claim the number in favor is increasing? Nope.

 

[The Rabbi]

Number opposed has been going down steadily since January.

Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

So have the number in favor, according to your own link.
DO you ever stop lying?

Did I claim the number in favor is increasing? Nope.

Lying again.

 

[Polk]

So have the number in favor, according to your own link.
DO you ever stop lying?

Did I claim the number in favor is increasing? Nope.

Lying again.

If I'm lying, you'll be able to quote were I said the number is increasing. So go ahead. Prove it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Did I claim the number in favor is increasing? Nope.

Lying again.

If I'm lying, you'll be able to quote were I said the number is increasing. So go ahead. Prove it.

You lied by omission.

 

[Polk]

Lying again.

If I'm lying, you'll be able to quote were I said the number is increasing. So go ahead. Prove it.

You lied by omission.

So, you admit that you were making it up.

 

[The Rabbi]

If I'm lying, you'll be able to quote were I said the number is increasing. So go ahead. Prove it.

You lied by omission.

So, you admit that you were making it up.

There you go lying again. Will it ever quit?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Number opposed has been going down steadily since January.

Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

So have the number in favor, according to your own link.
DO you ever stop lying?

Did I claim the number in favor is increasing? Nope.

You actually used it in an attempt to refute my point that the plurality against it has been growing, so it is at least misleading.

 

[The Rabbi]

So have the number in favor, according to your own link.
DO you ever stop lying?

Did I claim the number in favor is increasing? Nope.

You actually used it in an attempt to refute my point that the plurality against it has been growing, so it is at least misleading.

i.e. a lie.

 

[Polk]

You lied by omission.

So, you admit that you were making it up.

There you go lying again. Will it ever quit?

I didn't lie to start with. You lied and claimed I did, then when asked to prove your claim, you ran away from your original claim.

 

[Polk]

So have the number in favor, according to your own link.
DO you ever stop lying?

Did I claim the number in favor is increasing? Nope.

You actually used it in an attempt to refute my point that the plurality against it has been growing, so it is at least misleading.

I'll ask the same thing of you that I asked of Rabbi: show where I claimed the number in favor is increaseing. If I did so, you'd surely be able to show it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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[The Rabbi]

So, you admit that you were making it up.

There you go lying again. Will it ever quit?

I didn't lie to start with. You lied and claimed I did, then when asked to prove your claim, you ran away from your original claim.

Of course you did. You stated a fact and left out a very relevant fact in order to create an impression that was not warranted by the evidence. That is lying by omission.

 

[Polk]

There you go lying again. Will it ever quit?

I didn't lie to start with. You lied and claimed I did, then when asked to prove your claim, you ran away from your original claim.

Of course you did. You stated a fact and left out a very relevant fact in order to create an impression that was not warranted by the evidence. That is lying by omission.

It's not my fault you jumped to conclusions. Perhaps if you trying read what was actually said, instead of what you wish it said.

 

[The Rabbi]

I didn't lie to start with. You lied and claimed I did, then when asked to prove your claim, you ran away from your original claim.

Of course you did. You stated a fact and left out a very relevant fact in order to create an impression that was not warranted by the evidence. That is lying by omission.

It's not my fault you jumped to conclusions. Perhaps if you trying read what was actually said, instead of what you wish it said.

Did you incluide the very relevant fact that support for the bill has decreased as well as opposition?

 

[Polk]

Of course you did. You stated a fact and left out a very relevant fact in order to create an impression that was not warranted by the evidence. That is lying by omission.

It's not my fault you jumped to conclusions. Perhaps if you trying read what was actually said, instead of what you wish it said.

Did you incluide the very relevant fact that support for the bill has decreased as well as opposition?

It's not relevant to the claim that opposition has increased.